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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 13:22:24 GMT -8
IMO, if the Aztecs could get an agreement with the BE , that would allow an 8 team Western Division of the BE for ALL Sports, would be the best.Start with SDSU, Houston, SMU, then add a true Western Travel Partner - Fresno or ......... (ask BSU if they would reconsider), then add four others fromFresno,BSU, UNLV, Nevada, BYU, AFA, Tulsa, Tulane,.......Get an exec from ESPN to run the West and TV deal. Major Markets for TV and recruiting. And that's among my points. Too many people are thinking that because the BE hasn't created an all-sports western division in the immediate aftermath of Boise's announcement of staying in the MWC that will never happen. For the reasons I've explained, that thinking is flawed. Giving the dynamics of the BE's voting system, it simply can't happen now. However, that doesn't mean it can't happen in a year and a half.
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 5, 2013 13:26:13 GMT -8
Give back the 14 game basketball schedule that your commissioner promised Coach Fisher and Jim Sterk. That's the #1 demand we should have with the BW. That was negotiated when Pacific was still around. I'll tell ya what: Give us all some free Woodstock's pizza whenever we play down here and you have a deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 13:31:35 GMT -8
SGF,
I must say I like you much better this way (calm and logical). I like that you realize that Sterk and Hirschman do know everything that is going on and are not only not telling but may say something to the media which means nothing in the overall scheme of things just to have a comment. (Just as a GM might say a coach is not going to be fired only to fire him the next day.)
Given what we know, and understanding that this may only represent 10% of the puzzle I agree with, and appreciate, your summary.
The only things I might add are...
1) If these are most of the facts (meaning there is not much else to know), then the BW is actually in a position of strength and not weakness --- meaning they know SDSU needs them so they may need not to make any concessions.
2) It may be that, given the landscape they are looking at going forward, the football playing BE members are more willing to deal than we are considering. Meaning they may be more willing to create an all-sports conference sooner rather than later.
3) I have not researched it and I am not disagreeing but are you certain (meaning have you read that actual agreement) that the MWC deal with Boise is as bad as you say? To clarify, I do not trust snippets and blurbs from the media nor do I put any stock in something written on a message board by some fan (not referring to you, just in general). If you have seen the actual agreement and have absorbed it in its entirety and have come to the conclusion that the deal sucks for everyone not named Boise St, then I am more apt to see your line of reasoning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 13:37:08 GMT -8
As you say, stick with facts and reality. As of right now, there are not enough votes just to have SDSU invited to the MWC, let alone make any type of concessions. Just stay in the BE/BW and save all the talking. Action time. Just Do It! Great. Tell me again then, why are you visiting this board? If you are so certain the MWC doesn't want SDSU, and you clearly appear not to, why are you here commenting?... makes no sense.
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 5, 2013 13:48:54 GMT -8
even though Boise withdrew, I think the BW did well in its negotiation with them. Conference ended up with a $1.5 million payment from them. Boise showed some desperation after reneging on the WAC and even with your "encouragement," they were still willing to provide travel subs which may or may not be a reason they stayed with the MW.
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Post by Azpire! on Jan 5, 2013 13:54:28 GMT -8
With the way 95% of people think, and how 99% of folks have the, Show me the MONEY!!! phrase as their calling card, Point C should really be listed first. Unfortunately, by the time they all begin seeing how the sausage (which I'll call Boise's BEST), is REALLY made, it will be too late for those schools to leave. Boi-se's BEST! It's Mmm, Mmm, GOOD!However, it'll be the MWC's Gruel of (Thompson's) Choice for the inmates come 2014. If I get your of-so-subtle hint, you agree with me that now that the MWC's wonderful new TV deal has been fully vetted, it's clear it's wonderful only for Boise. I think the one or the other poll should be redone. I voted to return to the MWC but based on my comments above, unless new info comes out, I'm now completely opposed to the idea. I'm sure I'm not alone so have a feeling the results of a new poll would be quite a bit different. I was mixed initially on the MWC. Wouldn't be surprised if some of my early posts reflect that. I initially did not vote in the pool and posted we need more info before I can weigh in. The next day, Boise got the sweetheart deal. Not no but, HELL NO! My desire is to not see SDSU return to the BSWC. Yes, that's a "B." Shouldn't be hard to figure it out. Either guess would be accurate. As it has been said, we don't need to be living on our knees in Thompson's & Boise's world. Better to live on our terms, regardless of what others may think of our history. This is simply self-preservation and the ability to improve our situation going forward. The MWC in its present recomposed state does not allow for that. the State of California budget situation at some point in the very near future will also not allow for that. This point has been stated a few times by others here, but I don't believe it has been factored in the way is truly should if one thinks the MWC is the way to go. My preference today... is below in order of preference: 1. SDSU as a member of a nBE Western Division w/o the range schools 2. SDSU in the nBE with a renegotiated deal. 3. SDSU in the nBE. 4 SDSU as a member of a brand new Western based conference Far away hopes are for B12 or Pac12 membership. Gonzaga is being increasingly vocal of late. Add them to selection #4 as a basketball only member or simply watch them somehow make the C7 venture work in Spokane. They do want "national presence." I'm a alum so that'll be fun for me anyway.
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Post by hbaztec on Jan 5, 2013 13:56:23 GMT -8
Give back the 14 game basketball schedule that your commissioner promised Coach Fisher and Jim Sterk. That's the #1 demand we should have with the BW. That was negotiated when Pacific was still around. I'll tell ya what: Give us all some free Woodstock's pizza whenever we play down here and you have a deal. You give out free tortillas. correct?
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 5, 2013 13:58:10 GMT -8
You give out free tortillas. correct? we've been known to do that, yes.
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Post by aztecbb on Jan 5, 2013 14:23:53 GMT -8
Let me start by giving kudos to SGF (with whom I rarely agree) for starting a solid factual and informed post. If the contents of the BSU contract are what they seem to be, it appears unlikely that it makes sense for either YBU or SDSU to return the the MWC. THe devil is in the details and it seems no 2 agreements are alike. Seems like only yesterday when we were going to get a fat nBE TV payday, the MWC was going to disband (meaning we got to keep our NCAA BSKB $ )...
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Post by socialsdsu on Jan 5, 2013 14:26:15 GMT -8
If you were definitely going back to the MW, you would have done so already. That you haven't withdrawn from the BE/BW yet says there's at least a puncher's chance of you remaining BE/BW. Agreed
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Post by robertcb on Jan 5, 2013 14:26:30 GMT -8
Why would the BW sweeten the deal with SDSU when they need the BW more than the BW needs them? Aztecs have no where else to go if they want their football program in the BE. Seems that both the BW and SDSU already struck a deal that they both can live with.
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Post by k5james on Jan 5, 2013 14:28:35 GMT -8
Why would the BW sweeten the deal with SDSU when they need the BW more than the BW needs them? Aztecs have no where else to go if they want their football program in the BE. Seems that both the BW and SDSU already struck a deal that they both can live with. We could swallow the poison pill of going back to the MWC. The BW is in the middle of negotiating their tier one TV rights, make no mistake about it, they NEED SDSU.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 5, 2013 14:44:48 GMT -8
Why would the BW sweeten the deal with SDSU when they need the BW more than the BW needs them? Aztecs have no where else to go if they want their football program in the BE. Seems that both the BW and SDSU already struck a deal that they both can live with. We could swallow the poison pill of going back to the MWC. The BW is in the middle of negotiating their tier one TV rights, make no mistake about it, they NEED SDSU. You can kiss the foxsd money gone as well for tier2, that would be reworked south.
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Post by myownwords on Jan 5, 2013 15:06:22 GMT -8
Truly, this is high stakes poker and I think the MWC is holding a broken straight.
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Post by junior on Jan 5, 2013 15:15:50 GMT -8
SDSU is not in the driver's seat. It's more like they're attempting to cross an 8-lane freeway. At night.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 5, 2013 15:22:44 GMT -8
SDSU is not in the driver's seat. It's more like they're attempting to cross an 8-lane freeway. At night. That makes no sense, you are mixing metaphors. It would more like State was in the Trunk than being in the drivers seat. Going with the Blind and 8, it is just confusing. Progress is not made by fatalists or cynics...... But it is what it is.
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Post by hbaztec on Jan 5, 2013 15:28:47 GMT -8
SDSU is not in the driver's seat. It's more like they're attempting to cross an 8-lane freeway. At night. While I don't think we are in the drivers seat I do believe we are wanted in the BE/C2C.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 5, 2013 15:37:17 GMT -8
IMO, if the Aztecs could get an agreement with the BE , that would allow an 8 team Western Division of the BE for ALL Sports, would be the best.Start with SDSU, Houston, SMU, then add a true Western Travel Partner - Fresno or ......... (ask BSU if they would reconsider), then add four others fromFresno,BSU, UNLV, Nevada, BYU, AFA, Tulsa, Tulane,.......Get an exec from ESPN to run the West and TV deal. Major Markets for TV and recruiting. And that's among my points. Too many people are thinking that because the BE hasn't created an all-sports western division in the immediate aftermath of Boise's announcement of staying in the MWC that will never happen. For the reasons I've explained, that thinking is flawed. Giving the dynamics of the BE's voting system, it simply can't happen now. However, that doesn't mean it can't happen in a year and a half. I fully agree. I still think it was a mistake that Aresco didn't seize that opportunity the moment the C 7 announced. He may have been hindered by the UCONN block, to his credit. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by houstoncougarchas on Jan 5, 2013 16:00:49 GMT -8
See no reason why ADs would not support an all-sports western division. At our level, it is important to build a stable, successful conference. One that gets national attention. A conference with all-sports eastern and western division would be much more stable. With it, there is much greater chance of having teams making noise in the NCAA and bowl games. A conference without it would immediately have members looking for other opportunities. Schools like Cincy, SMU, and SDSU would not leave unless there was an opportunity for a better conference. Years away.
Don't know about SDSU, but believe all other invited schools will join the nBE.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 5, 2013 16:37:07 GMT -8
See no reason why ADs would not support an all-sports western division. At our level, it is important to build a stable, successful conference. One that gets national attention. A conference with all-sports eastern and western division would be much more stable. With it, there is much greater chance of having teams making noise in the NCAA and bowl games. A conference without it would immediately have members looking for other opportunities. Schools like Cincy, SMU, and SDSU would not leave unless there was an opportunity for a better conference. Years away. Don't know about SDSU, but believe all other invited schools will join the nBE. Many here agree. Aresco needs to stand up and make the case to the eastern all sports schools. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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