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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 12:15:05 GMT -8
Alright, here's my take, with some preliminaries.
1. Nobody but Sterk and Hirschman know exactly what's going on and they ain't talkin'.
2. Therefore, feel free to criticize as much as you like but do so based on logic, not that you "know for a fact" I'm wrong.
Since none of us is privy to all the info Sterk/Hirschman have, we have to begin with assumptions based on what we do know as fact.
1. Boise’s staying in the MWC doesn't mean SDSU still can't join the BE. Aresco has said they still want us and there's nothing to the contrary.
2. BW commish Farrell said that despite Boise not coming, they still want SDSU too (duh, huh?).
3. As long as Louisville, Rutgers,Uconn and UC have control of things, or ate least until July 1, 2013, an all-sports BE western division can’t be created.
4. When read carefully, the MWC’s new TV deal is so stacked toward Boise that it will do very little is anything to help anybody else.
5. Because of the above, there is no logical reason to think BYU is going to return to the MWC.
Based on all that, here’s what I now think.
1. SDSU should make the MWC an offer WE can’t refuse and if they’ll agree to it, we return. Do they want us as back? If so, show us the $.
2. Assuming the MWC refuses to make SDSU an offer we can’t refuse, we should . . .
A. Poll the ADs at Memphis, UCF, USF, Tulane, ECU, Houston and SMU to see whether they would support an all-sports western division.
B. Assuming they all would, once UL and Rutgers leave on July 1, 2014, Uconn and UC could cry all they want but they’d be stuck with it.
C. By July 1, 2014, it should be obvious to Fresno, UNLV and UNR if it isn’t already that Boise is getting rich off the new TV deal while they aren’t.
D. If I have to explain it to you, you probably aren’t going to agree with me anyway but here goes.
Assuming the BE would create an all-sports western division to commence in what could be estimated would be July 2015, SDSU should go balls out to the BE/BW yesterday. In the meantime? In the meantime, if the BW really wants us to stay, one would think they might be open to giving us a sweetheart deal like the MWC has given Boise. I’ll grant you the money couldn’t be much, but who knows?
While playing in the BE/BW, we simultaneously stay in contact with BYU. Why? Because if we keep winning in football and basketball, the two of us would make a great pair of additions to the B12. Maybe not until UT, TT, OU and Okie State bail for the Pac, but definitely after that occurs. (BTW, having researched it, there’s an article by a Okie State grad who’s a lawyer who opines the grant of rights provision would never hold up in court. But that’s another issue.)
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 5, 2013 12:49:39 GMT -8
In the meantime, if the BW really wants us to stay, one would think they might be open to giving us a sweetheart deal like the MWC has given Boise. I’ll grant you the money couldn’t be much, but who knows?
Greedy much? We've already given you a sweetheart deal by not extorting any entry and exit fees like we did for Boise. Not to mention no travel subs. You might have to pay your own way to Hawaii, though.
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Post by Dave L on Jan 5, 2013 12:55:55 GMT -8
In the meantime, if the BW really wants us to stay, one would think they might be open to giving us a sweetheart deal like the MWC has given Boise. I’ll grant you the money couldn’t be much, but who knows?Greedy much? We've already given you a sweetheart deal by not extorting any entry and exit fees like we did for Boise. Not to mention no travel subs. You might have to pay your own way to Hawaii, though. Give back the 14 game basketball schedule that your commissioner promised Coach Fisher and Jim Sterk. That's the #1 demand we should have with the BW.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 12:56:44 GMT -8
In the meantime, if the BW really wants us to stay, one would think they might be open to giving us a sweetheart deal like the MWC has given Boise. I’ll grant you the money couldn’t be much, but who knows?Greedy much? We've already given you a sweetheart deal by not extorting any entry and exit fees like we did for Boise. Not to mention no travel subs. You might have to pay your own way to Hawaii, though. We were already going to pay our way to Hawaii and I wouldn't expect them to pay for us like they are for everybody else. I also have no idea what could be offered as an inducement to keep us in. I merely added that as a possible additional reason to reject returning to the MWC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we do that, you guys get $1.5M and that's absolutely it. Are BW members so poverty stricken that $150K per member would mean something? You know, as opposed to having SDSU join and perhaps go to a Final Four? The free pub from that would be a godsend for your conference. If you can't see that, you are really clueless, my friend. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 5, 2013 12:57:05 GMT -8
In the meantime, if the BW really wants us to stay, one would think they might be open to giving us a sweetheart deal like the MWC has given Boise. I’ll grant you the money couldn’t be much, but who knows?Greedy much? We've already given you a sweetheart deal by not extorting any entry and exit fees like we did for Boise. Not to mention no travel subs. You might have to pay your own way to Hawaii, though. I know it is unbecoming, but that windfall you got from getting foxsd of $1.5, just give us a mil and then split the tier 1 on appearances. It would suck, but then moving to the MW would be a non starter. Sorry, but it is what it is. If I was the BW, you have to consider it, but not sure if they would do it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 12:57:54 GMT -8
Give back the 14 game basketball schedule that your commissioner promised Coach Fisher and Jim Sterk. That's the #1 demand we should have with the BW. Thanks, Dave. That's the kind of thing I was referring to. |
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Post by k5james on Jan 5, 2013 12:58:27 GMT -8
In the meantime, if the BW really wants us to stay, one would think they might be open to giving us a sweetheart deal like the MWC has given Boise. I’ll grant you the money couldn’t be much, but who knows?Greedy much? We've already given you a sweetheart deal by not extorting any entry and exit fees like we did for Boise. Not to mention no travel subs. You might have to pay your own way to Hawaii, though. We were already going to pay our way to Hawaii and I wouldn't expect them to pay for us like they are for everybody else. I also have no idea what could be offered as an inducement to keep us in. I merely added that as a possible additional reason to reject returning to the MWC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we do that, you guys get $1.5M and that's absolutely it. Are BW members so poverty stricken that $150K per member would mean something? You know, as opposed to having SDSU join and perhaps go to a Final Four? The free pub from that would be a godsend for your conference. If you can't see that, you are really clueless, my friend. Not only that but because of us, they went from paying 200k to get their tier two games on TV to getting paid 1.5 million. Yeah, they're really in a position to play hard ball... |
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 5, 2013 13:00:41 GMT -8
In the meantime, if the BW really wants us to stay, one would think they might be open to giving us a sweetheart deal like the MWC has given Boise. I’ll grant you the money couldn’t be much, but who knows?Greedy much? We've already given you a sweetheart deal by not extorting any entry and exit fees like we did for Boise. Not to mention no travel subs. You might have to pay your own way to Hawaii, though. We were already going to pay our way to Hawaii and I wouldn't expect them to pay for us like they are for everybody else. I also have no idea what could be offered as an inducement to keep us in. I merely added that as a possible additional reason to reject returning to the MWC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we do that, you guys get $1.5M and that's absolutely it. Are BW members so poverty stricken that $150K per member would mean something? You know, as opposed to having SDSU join and perhaps go to a Final Four? The free pub from that would be a godsend for your conference. If you can't see that, you are really clueless, my friend. I can see the potential value you bring to us. I just don't want the BW to be bent over like you say the MW was with Boise. |
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Post by mwchoops on Jan 5, 2013 13:02:52 GMT -8
As you say, stick with facts and reality.
As of right now, there are not enough votes just to have SDSU invited to the MWC, let alone make any type of concessions. Just stay in the BE/BW and save all the talking. Action time. Just Do It!
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Post by Azpire! on Jan 5, 2013 13:04:47 GMT -8
With the way 95% of people think, and how 99% of folks have the, Show me the MONEY!!! phrase as their calling card, Point C should really be listed first.
Unfortunately, by the time they all begin seeing how the sausage (which I'll call Boise's BEST), is REALLY made, it will be too late for those schools to leave.
Boi-se's BEST! It's Mmm, Mmm, GOOD!
However, it'll be the MWC's Gruel of (Thompson's) Choice for the inmates come 2014.
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Post by monty on Jan 5, 2013 13:06:47 GMT -8
In the meantime, if the BW really wants us to stay, one would think they might be open to giving us a sweetheart deal like the MWC has given Boise. I’ll grant you the money couldn’t be much, but who knows?Greedy much? We've already given you a sweetheart deal by not extorting any entry and exit fees like we did for Boise. Not to mention no travel subs. You might have to pay your own way to Hawaii, though. we actually are coming in as an equal partner and giving you guys more money. A true partner, what an idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 13:07:04 GMT -8
We were already going to pay our way to Hawaii and I wouldn't expect them to pay for us like they are for everybody else. I also have no idea what could be offered as an inducement to keep us in. I merely added that as a possible additional reason to reject returning to the MWC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we do that, you guys get $1.5M and that's absolutely it. Are BW members so poverty stricken that $150K per member would mean something? You know, as opposed to having SDSU join and perhaps go to a Final Four? The free pub from that would be a godsend for your conference. If you can't see that, you are really clueless, my friend. I can see the potential value you bring to us. I just don't want the BW to be bent over like you say the MW was with Boise. Understood. At an absolute minimum, I can't see why the MWC shouldn't now do what Dave advocates. The direct cost to the rest of you would be a pittance and if the result was to help SDSU's RPI, which therefore helped us get a higher NCAA seed, which therefore helped get us to the Final Four, it would be well worth a couple schools losing a few thousand bucks in ticket sales or whatever. |
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Post by monty on Jan 5, 2013 13:07:35 GMT -8
We were already going to pay our way to Hawaii and I wouldn't expect them to pay for us like they are for everybody else. I also have no idea what could be offered as an inducement to keep us in. I merely added that as a possible additional reason to reject returning to the MWC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we do that, you guys get $1.5M and that's absolutely it. Are BW members so poverty stricken that $150K per member would mean something? You know, as opposed to having SDSU join and perhaps go to a Final Four? The free pub from that would be a godsend for your conference. If you can't see that, you are really clueless, my friend. I can see the potential value you bring to us. I just don't want the BW to be bent over like you say the MW was with Boise. and we wouldn't do that to you anyway |
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Post by k5james on Jan 5, 2013 13:07:52 GMT -8
We were already going to pay our way to Hawaii and I wouldn't expect them to pay for us like they are for everybody else. I also have no idea what could be offered as an inducement to keep us in. I merely added that as a possible additional reason to reject returning to the MWC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we do that, you guys get $1.5M and that's absolutely it. Are BW members so poverty stricken that $150K per member would mean something? You know, as opposed to having SDSU join and perhaps go to a Final Four? The free pub from that would be a godsend for your conference. If you can't see that, you are really clueless, my friend. I can see the potential value you bring to us. I just don't want the BW to be bent over like you say the MW was with Boise. Hey, I haven't said a bad word about them getting the deal. I'm actually glad for them. I just don't want to be a part of the other side of it. Sorry if you guys will be... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 13:09:37 GMT -8
With the way 95% of people think, and how 99% of folks have the, Show me the MONEY!!! phrase as their calling card, Point C should really be listed first. Unfortunately, by the time they all begin seeing how the sausage (which I'll call Boise's BEST), is REALLY made, it will be too late for those schools to leave. Boi-se's BEST! It's Mmm, Mmm, GOOD!However, it'll be the MWC's Gruel of (Thompson's) Choice for the inmates come 2014. If I get your of-so-subtle hint, you agree with me that now that the MWC's wonderful new TV deal has been fully vetted, it's clear it's wonderful only for Boise. I think the one or the other poll should be redone. I voted to return to the MWC but based on my comments above, unless new info comes out, I'm now completely opposed to the idea. I'm sure I'm not alone so have a feeling the results of a new poll would be quite a bit different. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 13:12:20 GMT -8
I can see the potential value you bring to us. I just don't want the BW to be bent over like you say the MW was with Boise. Hey, I haven't said a bad word about them getting the deal. I'm actually glad for them. I just don't want to be a part of the other side of it. Sorry if you guys will be... He's a UCSB fan so he won't be. And if SDSU doesn't come running back to the MWC, we won't be. As the Cal Poly fan (who's a bright guy, BTW) put it, if SDSU doesn't come back, it's Hawaii, Fresno and UNR who stand go get ass Poked more than anybody. (Pun intended since Wyoming should do fine.) |
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 5, 2013 13:12:42 GMT -8
I was venting a little
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 13:15:38 GMT -8
No problemo, Gaucho. Although some think it should be verboten, venting is among the reasons this board exists.
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 5, 2013 13:16:18 GMT -8
If you were definitely going back to the MW, you would have done so already. That you haven't withdrawn from the BE/BW yet says there's at least a puncher's chance of you remaining BE/BW.
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Post by standiego on Jan 5, 2013 13:16:58 GMT -8
IMO, if the Aztecs could get an agreement with the BE , that would allow
an 8 team Western Division of the BE for ALL Sports, would be the best.Start with SDSU, Houston, SMU, then add a true Western Travel Partner - Fresno or ......... (ask BSU if they would reconsider), then add four others fromFresno,BSU, UNLV, Nevada, BYU, AFA, Tulsa, Tulane,.......Get an exec from ESPN to run the West and TV deal. Major Markets for TV and recruiting.
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