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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Dec 22, 2012 9:34:25 GMT -8
Lol, Coryell ran the pro set. The pro set is so "dark ages" the entire NFL uses it. Come on people, it was one bad game against one of the top defense in the nation. Hell, when Boise played them their offense scored ZERO points against them. New England runs the spread, with the hurry up offense and everything, they just don't call it that...Ditto for Denver. San Francisco runs the Pistol on many possessions. Washington runs an option, as do the Panthers. Elements of the spread are used by almost every team in the NFL now and you are only going to see more. When Coryell ran the pro-set and started passing out of it, it was innovative. You can bet Coryell would be running a version of the spread if he was still coaching today. The point is the elite offenses are no longer predictable. Football is a year around college sport now, the kids practice enough to learn more varied sets, so you have to vary your offensive sets to beat the good defenses. Pro-set can still be successful, but it needs a plethora of variations, shifts and personnel sets (see Stanford). You can't argue with the offensive performance of the team this year, but outside of Boise they did most of their damage against poor defensive teams. However, I do believe we left a lot of points on the board by getting conservative with the play calling. Rocky's aggressiveness on 4th down helped, but I would still like to see us open it up a little more if Ludwig stays. This doesn't just mean throwing down field, but screens, reverses and short passes to protect the QB against the pass rush. If he goes on his on accord, it give us the opportunity to modernize. Let's get an exciting offense to mirror our exciting defense and help get more butts in the seats. Texas A&M proved you can be successful with the spread against the best defenses in college football. No idea why any serious sport's fan would seriously doubt the effectiveness of the spread and attack those suggesting it? Particularly those of you who consider yourselves such experts? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 10:29:06 GMT -8
TOUCHE` ;D
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Post by k5james on Dec 22, 2012 10:52:34 GMT -8
Lol, Coryell ran the pro set. The pro set is so "dark ages" the entire NFL uses it. Come on people, it was one bad game against one of the top defense in the nation. Hell, when Boise played them their offense scored ZERO points against them. New England runs the spread, with the hurry up offense and everything, they just don't call it that...Ditto for Denver. San Francisco runs the Pistol on many possessions. Washington runs an option, as do the Panthers. Elements of the spread are used by almost every team in the NFL now and you are only going to see more. When Coryell ran the pro-set and started passing out of it, it was innovative. You can bet Coryell would be running a version of the spread if he was still coaching today. The point is the elite offenses are no longer predictable. Football is a year around college sport now, the kids practice enough to learn more varied sets, so you have to vary your offensive sets to beat the good defenses. Pro-set can still be successful, but it needs a plethora of variations, shifts and personnel sets (see Stanford). You can't argue with the offensive performance of the team this year, but outside of Boise they did most of their damage against poor defensive teams. However, I do believe we left a lot of points on the board by getting conservative with the play calling. Rocky's aggressiveness on 4th down helped, but I would still like to see us open it up a little more if Ludwig stays. This doesn't just mean throwing down field, but screens, reverses and short passes to protect the QB against the pass rush. If he goes on his on accord, it give us the opportunity to modernize. Let's get an exciting offense to mirror our exciting defense and help get more butts in the seats. Texas A&M proved you can be successful with the spread against the best defenses in college football. No idea why any serious sport's fan would seriously doubt the effectiveness of the spread and attack those suggesting it? Particularly those of you who consider yourselves such experts? All, those teams you mentioned use spread "elements." They aren't spread teams. They still line up with a fullback/Hback in the backfield 70 percent of the time. Basically, exactly what we normally do. We used a lot of spread elements this year as well when Katz was our starter. It lessened when Dingwell came in. The offense was dumbed down for Dingwell and that worked, except for when we played the best defense we played all year... |
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Post by k5james on Dec 22, 2012 10:55:22 GMT -8
Watch an NFL game tomorrow with a notepad and put a check mark on every play with two backs and every play with less than two backs in the back field.
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Post by 99levi on Dec 22, 2012 11:40:53 GMT -8
We need to jazz up the offense. It's obvious that winning isn't enough to get more butts in the seats, we need some excitement as well. We need an offense to match our exciting unconventional defense. I think we need to go to some version of the spread and speed up the tempo. Take advantage of all the skill athletes we are able to recruit in the area. That super conservative run it on every 1st and 2nd down crap don't fly in Southern California. I mean this is the school of the great "Air Coryell," let's air it out for god's sake! Something modern and cutting edge. This is the kind of thinking that lead to our decade of futility. For chrissakes you people act like we're running the wishbone. ^This |
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Post by 99levi on Dec 22, 2012 11:41:14 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 12:03:01 GMT -8
Unless he would come as the head coach in waiting with Rocky committing to retire in a couple years, no chance. |
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Dec 22, 2012 12:03:37 GMT -8
Watch an NFL game tomorrow with a notepad and put a check mark on every play with two backs and every play with less than two backs in the back field. New England was in the sperad the entire second half last week against the Niners and put up incredible numbers against the best defense in the league. You're right that most teams only use elements, but Belichick is always one step ahead of the rest of the league. As I said, I'm not really bashing Ludwig. He is a pro-set guy and is pretty good at it. If we continue with the pro-set, I'm fine with it. However, this thread originally asked for my opinion on what I would like to see if Ludwig left. Nothing you have written would change he fact I would like to see the Aztecs go to the spread if Ludwig decides to take another job. It's just a more exciting brand of football and I think we will just as many if not more games. If the spread can be successful at SJSU and Fresno, no reason it can't here as well. To try and act like it is some insane idea that will kill our program is laughable and make you sound like grandpa who still rails against the three point shot. I think we already have the personnel to be successful in the spread. |
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Post by Old School on Dec 22, 2012 12:05:33 GMT -8
Al Borges
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Post by aztough on Dec 22, 2012 12:31:06 GMT -8
I dont care who they get as long as Ludwig is gone. What a horrible waste of talent to only throw to Escobar as I counted twice. Holy crap the way Dingy throws at least he would of had a bigger target, well, maybe if he does'nt fumble or throw picks first.
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 22, 2012 12:57:05 GMT -8
I'd rather tie 52-52 with a full stadium then lose 23-6 with a half empty stadium. The spread is working all across America. Doing just fine at SJSU and Fresno. Two teams that beat us this year and with arguably equal or less talent. Just ask Rocky how hard it is to defend the spread. It's a total fallacy that it requires only elite talent. There is a reason everyone in the Pac 12 (outside of Stanford) is moving to the spread. It also helps with recruiting. Kids want to play in that system. The seven step drop is what causes all those turnovers and why you saw our QB struggle so much last night with only 1 or 2 options to throw. The spread is predicated on quick throws and not taking sacks. But, whatever if you all want to bury your heads in the sand continue to run an antiquated offense then so be it. However, you make yourselves look foolish for attacking me for suggesting the spread which happens to be the most innovative offense in modern football. Not to mention exciting. This is entertainment after all. This thread asked for opinions and I gave mine. It's not the only option, but a legitimize ate option, and you all just come of as a bunch of angry assholes. Well I'm sorry to have come off as an "angry asshole." That was the last thing I'd want to do (at least to an SDSU fan). You're passionate. Far from an asshole. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 22, 2012 13:03:29 GMT -8
Yep. That would be the perfect choice. Assuming he's available, which he may be. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 15:12:42 GMT -8
Unless he would come as the head coach in waiting with Rocky committing to retire in a couple years, no chance. Why would you want that? |
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