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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 18, 2012 12:47:35 GMT -8
We are all aware of the feud between the UC and the Cal State systems. Here is an interesting bit I found on Wikipedia about UCSB. It was originally a Cal State College, but switched to the UC system in 1944. There was controversy at the time over this. The Cal State system tried to stop Santa Barbara's move to the UC system but lost the fight. The issue did not completly stop there, as you will see in this quoted portion from the Wikipedia article (emphasis mine) . . .
Intense lobbying by an interest group in the City of Santa Barbara, led by Thomas Storke and Pearl Chase, persuaded the State Legislature, Governor Earl Warren, and the Regents of the University of California to move the State College over to the more research-oriented University of California system in 1944. The State College system sued to stop the takeover, but the Governor did not support the suit. A state initiative was passed, however, to stop subsequent conversions of State Colleges to University of California campuses.
AzWm
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Post by AztecSports95 on Dec 18, 2012 13:08:54 GMT -8
Tell me more about this feud you speak of?
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Dec 18, 2012 13:34:34 GMT -8
Tell me more about this feud you speak of? Been that way forever. Two universities, two purposes, one source of money. The CSUs are dedicated to educating. The UCs get their superiority complex from their research, especially at Livermore. UC science profs still gripe about having to spend time teaching classes, which they consider an annoying distraction. CSU campuses gripe about the UCs looking down their noses at them. When SDSU took steps toward the research end of the spectrum in recent years some of our CSU peers muttered mild complaints about us, for selling out I guess. When a CSU team visits a UC campus the students are only too happy to chant "state school" as if it's an insult. That helps keep the feud going. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 18, 2012 13:35:00 GMT -8
Tell me more about this feud you speak of? Perhaps you do not like my use of the word feud. Okay, let's look at how things stand between the two systems. Every time we (a Cal State school) try to enlarge our mission statement (a good example is offering PhDs), the UC folks cry foul. I hope you are not under the impression that relations between the Cal State system and the Univ. of California system are all sweetness and light. AzWm |
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Post by AztecSports95 on Dec 18, 2012 13:45:29 GMT -8
Tell me more about this feud you speak of? Perhaps you do not like my use of the word feud. Okay, let's look at how things stand between the two systems. Every time we (a Cal State school) try to enlarge our mission statement (a good example is offering PhDs), the UC folks cry foul. I hope you are not under the impression that relations between the Cal State system and the Univ. of California system are all sweetness and light. AzWm I think the foul relations are more between the alumni base and students, rather than the people who run the systems. SDSU has something like 19 or 20 joint doctoral programs with UCSD. That sounds pretty collegial to me. I think it's more the legislators who are holding us back, trying to keep us to the original charter of what the CSU was supposed to be. |
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Post by jdgaucho on Dec 18, 2012 13:47:41 GMT -8
The BW's charter members: SJSU, SDSU, LBSU, CSU Fresno, CSU LA, UCSB and Pacific. Five Cal State's, one UC and a private university.
of course the relations between the Cal State and UC systems are all sweetness and light. Our current conference is living proof of this ;D
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Dec 18, 2012 13:50:17 GMT -8
UCSD and SDSU have a very good working relationship. Not so much with the other campuses within the CSU and UC systems.
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Post by monty on Dec 18, 2012 13:53:11 GMT -8
The rivalry between the UC and CSU is that between hammer and anvil. SDSU is a piece of steel on the anvil - we post 150+ milllion dollar research figures at the UC scoffs and the bottom 1/3 wonder why we should be allowed to do that, the CSU's release a statement sayint they will make sure SDSU is fulfilling it's mission.
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Post by sdsudevil on Dec 18, 2012 13:58:41 GMT -8
Perhaps you do not like my use of the word feud. Okay, let's look at how things stand between the two systems. Every time we (a Cal State school) try to enlarge our mission statement (a good example is offering PhDs), the UC folks cry foul. I hope you are not under the impression that relations between the Cal State system and the Univ. of California system are all sweetness and light. AzWm I think the foul relations are more between the alumni base and students, rather than the people who run the systems. SDSU has something like 19 or 20 joint doctoral programs with UCSD. That sounds pretty collegial to me. I think it's more the legislators who are holding us back, trying to keep us to the original charter of what the CSU was supposed to be. UCSD holding SDSU's hand while they give our students the right to earn doctorates is friendly in theory, but the UC's, and (some of) their students/faculties/alums hold it as the ace. So the "state school" chant, and the derisive attitude of UC has always struck a chord. As well as their inflated rankings, due to the very few who are good at their research. It pains me to see UCSD, UCD and UCI over schools who, frankly, are better. Look at USNWR and you will see this, they are all over Texas, Washington, Wisconsin-Madison, Minnesota, Illinois, Penn State, and the list goes on. Those schools are nowhere near these public Ivies. But I have had quite a few try to feel superior to my degree because of it. So, yeah, there is a little anger there. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 18, 2012 14:21:25 GMT -8
Tell me more about this feud you speak of? Which one of us is Biggie Smalls? |
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Post by 83aztec on Dec 18, 2012 16:36:13 GMT -8
Tell me more about this feud you speak of? Which one of us is Biggie Smalls? That would be the UCs |
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Post by jalmonb on Dec 19, 2012 4:48:26 GMT -8
Look at where the state spends its money. Look at the locations of the UC schools how the campuses look.
The sad thing is the lack of funds will ruin the UC schools. They are already having difficulty paying the high salaries to get top academic and administration talent.
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Post by gettough on Dec 19, 2012 20:51:30 GMT -8
According to California's master plan for ed. in 1960, UC's are for top 12.5% of California's high school graduates. CSU for top 30%. So UC's get better students on the whole. Mike Rose's Lives on the Boundary, I think, exposed the poor teaching at the UC's. He was director of writing programs at UCLA.
My son is currently at UCSB in classes with hundreds of kids, and sections, 30 or so, taught by TA's between the giant lectures. Not a great education from what I can see. Not sure what it looks like in upper division classes. But I never had a class over 30 or so at SDSU in the 80's.
Talking to high school counselors, the popularity of SDSU, 70,000 applicants, is pushing admitted students' GPA'S up to the 3.8 level and SDSU competes with all but Cal, UCLA, UCSD and UCSB for students of high caliber.
It has always seemed strange to me that we take the best and brightest and give them a substandard education at institutions known for their research mission rather then their educational mission.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Dec 19, 2012 21:16:43 GMT -8
My son is currently at UCSB in classes with hundreds of kids, and sections, 30 or so, taught by TA's between the giant lectures. Not a great education from what I can see. Not sure what it looks like in upper division classes. But I never had a class over 30 or so at SDSU in the 80's. I had several classes with 100+. A couple at Storm Hall and one at the then new Student Services building in the early 1990's. And these were upper division. |
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Post by gettough on Dec 19, 2012 21:42:57 GMT -8
Oh for the good ol' days!
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