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Post by localsonly on Nov 12, 2012 8:24:21 GMT -8
Amid the wind blown, sun glare excuses of the Midway beatdown I've seen little comment on coaching...yet Fish knew that like many Aztec opponents, Syrc would be bigger and their zone would dare the Aztecs to shoot outside and from their shoot around the day before the Aztecs should have learned how tough it would be to hit from outside 3'.
The Syrc coach gave "strict orders" not to launch 3's from the flight deck and Fish? He conceded in today's UT that several of his team's 3's were ill advised...is he telling us his team shot them anyway? And Franklin? he told the press that because the 3 was part of their game, they weren't going to change? Was clanking all those free throws part of the game too?
This is a great time for Fish to rattle cages and refocus his team especially the team leaders. There are plenty more teams on their schedule with bigger players who will be tempted to go zone and let JF play his game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 8:32:47 GMT -8
We got to the line 33 times.
So no. He wasn't out coached.
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Post by aztecmichael on Nov 12, 2012 8:33:31 GMT -8
Amid the wind blown, sun glare excuses of the Midway beatdown I've seen little comment on coaching...yet Fish knew that like many Aztec opponents, Syrc would be bigger and their zone would dare the Aztecs to shoot outside and from their shoot around the day before the Aztecs should have learned how tough it would be to hit from outside 3'. The Syrc coach gave "strict orders" not to launch 3's from the flight deck and Fish? He conceded in today's UT that several of his team's 3's were ill advised...is he telling us his team shot them anyway? And Franklin? he told the press that because the 3 was part of their game, they weren't going to change? Was clanking all those free throws part of the game too? This is a great time for Fish to rattle cages and refocus his team especially the team leaders. There are plenty more teams on their schedule with bigger players who will be tempted to go zone and let JF play his game. I thought the team was well prepared for the zone, just missed too many free throws....and a few layups. But we got some good looks. I thought we competed defensively and I was very impressed with our rebounding. The only problem I had with the coaching was in wanting to run. We are not ready to run against a quality opponent. We don't have set roles on the break and our ball handlers were terrible in decision making. I think if he had to do it over again, he would have played a half court game. Our score may not have been any higher, but Syracuse got a free 8-10 points on dunks because of our sloppy play in running the break or trying to rush the ball upcourt. The 3 or 4 early turnovers by Franklin really set the tone. One of my pet peeves is after forcing a turnover, turning the ball right back over. It usually leads to a bucket, and we did it several times yesterday. Richie Williams, when he was younger, used to do it a lot. I do worry about this teams leadership. There is no Gay or Shelton that takes charge. Tapley or Thames need to step up and demand organization and quickly. |
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Post by jcljorgenson on Nov 12, 2012 8:35:55 GMT -8
We got to the line 33 times. So no. He wasn't out coached. But you saw our free throw percentages, you could easily argue that was a good strategy by Boeheim. I basically think the team dynamics put us at a disadvantage. Like Steve Kerr said, Syracuse was the "worse case scenario" as far as playing teams in that environment. Their zone defense made it hard for us to get shots close in. SU had 10 blocks for the day. I would have liked to see us full court press and run more, but you can only do that if you are making buckets. |
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Post by AztecSports95 on Nov 12, 2012 8:39:50 GMT -8
We played solid defense, got steals and had fast breaks. They play great transition defense and always seemed to be there to block or disrupt the shot on the other end. I think Fish coached as well as he could have coached. Hit some free throws and this game is a lot closer than it was.
The stats don't lie:
They had 18 turnovers to our 16
We had 14 steals, they had 12
They had 10 blocked shots. That's huge.
They had 45 rebounds, we had 44 - 20 of ours were offensive to their 10.
They shot 42% from the field, and made most of their free throws
We shot 24% from the field and missed most of ours (14-33)
This was not a question of being outcoached. This was a question of being outplayed.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 12, 2012 8:40:18 GMT -8
Like Steve Kerr said, Syracuse was the "worse case scenario" as far as playing teams in that environment. Their zone defense made it hard for us to get shots close in.
I take it at that, Fisher knew he wasn't in for a picnic with the Orange. It was a bad day & we need to move on.
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Post by AztecSports95 on Nov 12, 2012 8:42:02 GMT -8
Amid the wind blown, sun glare excuses of the Midway beatdown I've seen little comment on coaching...yet Fish knew that like many Aztec opponents, Syrc would be bigger and their zone would dare the Aztecs to shoot outside and from their shoot around the day before the Aztecs should have learned how tough it would be to hit from outside 3'. The Syrc coach gave "strict orders" not to launch 3's from the flight deck and Fish? He conceded in today's UT that several of his team's 3's were ill advised...is he telling us his team shot them anyway? And Franklin? he told the press that because the 3 was part of their game, they weren't going to change? Was clanking all those free throws part of the game too? This is a great time for Fish to rattle cages and refocus his team especially the team leaders. There are plenty more teams on their schedule with bigger players who will be tempted to go zone and let JF play his game. I thought the team was well prepared for the zone, just missed too many free throws....and a few layups. But we got some good looks. I thought we competed defensively and I was very impressed with our rebounding. The only problem I had with the coaching was in wanting to run. We are not ready to run against a quality opponent. We don't have set roles on the break and our ball handlers were terrible in decision making. I think if he had to do it over again, he would have played a half court game. Our score may not have been any higher, but Syracuse got a free 8-10 points on dunks because of our sloppy play in running the break or trying to rush the ball upcourt. The 3 or 4 early turnovers by Franklin really set the tone. One of my pet peeves is after forcing a turnover, turning the ball right back over. It usually leads to a bucket, and we did it several times yesterday. Richie Williams, when he was younger, used to do it a lot. I do worry about this teams leadership. There is no Gay or Shelton that takes charge. Tapley or Thames need to step up and demand organization and quickly. I totally agree on the turnover point. I think there is still some "gelling" that needs to happen with the new guys. That was evident. But Jamaal Franklin had 7 turnovers on his own. That can't happen if he wants to lead this team where it needs to go. I also thought Winston Shepard played like a freshman yesterday. He did not look comfortable against those bigs. |
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Post by Simsonic on Nov 12, 2012 8:45:05 GMT -8
No he wasn't out coached. Fisher has always given his players the freedom to figure things out. They still need to gel as a team. The aren't really sure of who they are yet. By the end of the season they will be firing on all cylinders.
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Post by AztecSports95 on Nov 12, 2012 8:50:46 GMT -8
No he wasn't out coached. Fisher has always given his players the freedom to figure things out. They still need to gel as a team. The aren't really sure of who they are yet. By the end of the season they will be firing on all cylinders. They will be a much better team a month from now than they are right now. |
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Nov 12, 2012 9:03:35 GMT -8
Does the 'visiting' team on a neutral court get to choose which side they defend? Had we began the game with the sun at our back, it would have been a different game altogether.
By playing the role of guinea pig in that first half, Boheim saw what was (and what wasn't) working as we tried to adjust to the exposure issues on the W end of the court. Furthermore, from a purely strategic perspective, I rather let my opponent struggle against the elements to begin the game, and play from a position of strength in the 2nd half while they try to catch up.
After twenty minutes of chucking bricks, there was surely some psychological impact that carried over to the 2nd half - I just don't know how else to explain that s#!++y performance form the stripe.
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Post by localsonly on Nov 12, 2012 9:13:29 GMT -8
Does the 'visiting' team on a neutral court get to choose which side they defend? Had we began the game with the sun at our back, it would have been a different game altogether. By playing the role of guinea pig in that first half, Boheim saw what was (and what wasn't) working as we tried to adjust to the exposure issues on the W end of the court. Furthermore, from a purely strategic perspective, I rather let my opponent struggle against the elements to begin the game, and play from a position of strength in the 2nd half while they try to catch up. good points - and as this team finds its leaders they will overcome that psych out, hit their frees and their 3's and laugh about that crazy day at sea... After twenty minutes of chucking bricks, there was surely some psychological impact that carried over to the 2nd half - I just don't know how else to explain that s#!++y performance form the stripe. |
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Post by mfpaul on Nov 12, 2012 9:35:01 GMT -8
We got to the line 33 times. So no. He wasn't out coached. the only thing he needs to do as a coach to improve the team is to make his players spend about 25 hours a day practicing free throws! Why oh why can't we hit any freaking free throws? out misses at the line keep games close that shouldn't be and makes us come from behind when we shouldn't have to. it's been this way for the past several seasons and if one game is any indication it isn't changing now either. that plus the fact that we can't seem to figure out how to play for the first 15 minutes of the game! |
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Post by AztecBill on Nov 12, 2012 9:58:20 GMT -8
We got to the line 33 times. So no. He wasn't out coached. the only thing he needs to do as a coach to improve the team is to make his players spend about 25 hours a day practicing free throws! Why oh why can't we hit any freaking free throws? out misses at the line keep games close that shouldn't be and makes us come from behind when we shouldn't have to. it's been this way for the past several seasons and if one game is any indication it isn't changing now either. that plus the fact that we can't seem to figure out how to play for the first 15 minutes of the game! Been that way for the past couple of years? You haven't been watching the same team that I have. The first half wind was very strong on that side of the court. The other side of the court had the wind somewhat mitigated by the control tower. The second half had less wind overall. The Aztecs led the MWC in free throw percentage last year. The Aztecs had the two top free throw percentage players in the MWC last year, Jamaal and X. The free throw results from yesterday was mostly the effect of the wind. FREE THROW PCT| Pos | Team | Games | FTM | FTA | Pct | | 1 | San Diego State | 14 | 215 | 281 | 76.5% | | 2 | Colorado State | 14 | 217 | 284 | 76.4% | | 3 | Wyoming | 14 | 164 | 224 | 73.2% | | 4 | TCU | 14 | 195 | 282 | 69.1% | | 5 | Boise State | 14 | 170 | 246 | 69.1% | | 6 | Air Force | 14 | 151 | 224 | 67.4% | | 7 | New Mexico | 14 | 158 | 237 | 66.7% | | 8 | UNLV | 14 | 186 | 292 | 63.7% |
| Pos Player | Class | Games | FT | FTA | Pct | | 1 | THAMES, Xavier-SD | SO | 14 | 39 | 43 | 90.7% | | 2 | FRANKLIN, Jamaal-SD | SO | 13 | 84 | 97 | 86.6% | | 3 | WILLIAMS, Kendall-NM | SO | 14 | 38 | 44 | 86.4% | | 4 | EIKMEIER, Wes-CS | JR | 14 | 40 | 47 | 85.1% | | 5 | BELL, Will-CS | SR | 13 | 45 | 53 | 84.9% |
Our free throws will be fine.
Interesting note: Field Goal Percentage on 2 point shots attempt not blocked Syracuse 24-50 = 48% SDSU 16-35 = 45.7% The extra 3 point attempts and the blocks were the main difference in shooting percentage. A lot of the 3s were an attempt to come back from double digits in the second half. We needed a few lucky shots to get back into the game. We shot 4 in the first half and 14 in the second half. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 10:08:49 GMT -8
In a word...No.
Not worried about this loss. I know we're going to be very good this season.
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Post by tuff on Nov 12, 2012 10:33:56 GMT -8
Hell No.. If the players would have made 10 more free throws and a few more 3's. Well, poor shooting was the cause, not coaching. And there is absolutely no excuse at this level to stink up free throws.
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Post by AztecBill on Nov 12, 2012 10:35:21 GMT -8
Hell No.. If the players would have made 10 more free throws and a few more 3's. Well, poor shooting was the cause, not coaching. And there is absolutely no excuse at this level to stink up free throws. Yes there is, in this game. |
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Post by AztecBill on Nov 12, 2012 10:38:05 GMT -8
Hell No.. If the players would have made 10 more free throws and a few more 3's. Well, poor shooting was the cause, not coaching. And there is absolutely no excuse at this level to stink up free throws. If this was a game where free throws were easy, we wouldn't have got to the line 33 times. Syracuse was ultra agressive inside because they knew sending the Aztecs to the line would not hurt them - not in the wind, especially in the first half. |
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Post by tuff on Nov 12, 2012 10:42:45 GMT -8
Hell No.. If the players would have made 10 more free throws and a few more 3's. Well, poor shooting was the cause, not coaching. And there is absolutely no excuse at this level to stink up free throws. If this was a game where free throws were easy, we wouldn't have got to the line 33 times. Syracuse was ultra agressive inside because they knew sending the Aztecs to the line would not hurt them - not in the wind, especially in the first half. Good coaching call ny Syracuse, bad execution by the players. |
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Post by aztecgold on Nov 12, 2012 10:42:57 GMT -8
No, the Syracuse coach lied because he promised Fisher that he would play man to man if the wind was blowing too hard and give them too big of an advantage.  |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Nov 12, 2012 13:28:19 GMT -8
Amid the wind blown, sun glare excuses of the Midway beatdown I've seen little comment on coaching...yet Fish knew that like many Aztec opponents, Syrc would be bigger and their zone would dare the Aztecs to shoot outside and from their shoot around the day before the Aztecs should have learned how tough it would be to hit from outside 3'. The Syrc coach gave "strict orders" not to launch 3's from the flight deck and Fish? He conceded in today's UT that several of his team's 3's were ill advised...is he telling us his team shot them anyway? And Franklin? he told the press that because the 3 was part of their game, they weren't going to change? Was clanking all those free throws part of the game too? This is a great time for Fish to rattle cages and refocus his team especially the team leaders. There are plenty more teams on their schedule with bigger players who will be tempted to go zone and let JF play his game. Completely! In fact he hasn't even won a regulation game since being bounced out of the NCAAs, seven months ago. Plateaued, regressed, call it what you want... ^^^ sarcasm^^^^ I actually think many here got it right. It was what it was, look forward, not back. This team will be fine and peak for the NCAAs for a deep run. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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