How small is our DL?

[RockNFish]

With all the talk about our DL, I was wondering how we stacked up. Here's how we compare to the top 2 teams in the MW and BE (average of starting DL) I was a bit suprised to find...

SDSU - 265
BSU - 281
Nev - 268
Rut - 265
Cin -266


SDSU
DE - 59 Jordan Thomas, 6-1, 255, Jr.**
DT - 98 Sam Meredith, 6-4, 275, So.*
DE 47 Cody Galea, 6-3, 265, So.*

BSU
E - 8 Demarcus Lawrence 6-3 242
T - 43 Ricky Tjong-A-Tjoe 6-3 296
N - 99 Mike Atkinson 6-0 306

Nev
E 53 Brock Hekking 6-4 260
T 98 Jack Reynoso 6-3 275
T 92 Jordan Hanson 6-2 285
E 94 Lenny Jones 6-3 250

Rut
DE 90 Michael Larrow (Jr., 6-4, 270)
DT 72 Isaac Holmes (Jr., 6-3, 275)
DT 94 Scott Vallone (Sr., 6-3, 275)
DE 13 Ka'Lial Glaud (Sr., 6-2, 240)

Cin
L 54 Walter Stewart 6-5 249
T 91 A dam Dempsey 6-2 271
N 95 John Williams 6-0 283 S
E 99 D an Giordano 6-4 260


Feel free to double check my math - threw this together pretty quick...

[Deleted]

While this shows similar size and weights what is lost in the numbers are the substitution paterns. In the game agaianst fresno there were several times when the defense had Kottman, Fely and Siluano in at the same time. Put their heights and weights up and you will now see the problem up the middle of the defense. Kenny Galea'i (sp) being injured really hurt this team depth wise. Still shocked to see Kottman playing and not Jackson. Just based on size alone I would think it would be the opposite.

[monty]

BSU is the only one running a true noseman like we do and he's got a good 20 pounds on our noseguard - so one would expect a 4 man front to be on the smaller side and without instantly recalling what type of defense those teams run, their smaller end is likely a stand up end/linebacker and/or a speed edge rusher. and as was pointed out guys are in and out playing even or a good deal of snaps.

It isn't just the 3 dlineman since we send 5-6 most plays, the linebackers being small and also not getting to the qb is equally the problem.

[Doug Drake]

LSU's defensive line averages about 264 pounds. Granted they are superior athletes. Height and weight alone do not tell the whole story.

[Deleted]

My feeling is that combining young D-linemen with some very undersized backers is the real issue here. Our 3 man front is much more potent with 3 quality linebackers in the fold. Seems like our linebacker play/size may be just as much a factor as D-linemen being inexperienced. I also notice that we tend to always blitz at the edges, but maybe should stunt more and delay blitz up the middle against these passing heavy teams. Rushing on the edge can be dangerous if you don't actually get the sack because you have moved the QB out of the pocket and now given him a chance to make a play in space...Carr....Fales....That UND QB....

[localsonly]

Oct 2, 2012 13:28:04 GMT -8 RockNFish said:

With all the talk about our DL, I was wondering how we stacked up. Here's how we compare to the top 2 teams in the MW and BE (average of starting DL) I was a bit suprised to find...

SDSU - 265
BSU - 281
Nev - 268
Rut - 265
Cin -266


SDSU
DE - 59 Jordan Thomas, 6-1, 255, Jr.**
DT - 98 Sam Meredith, 6-4, 275, So.*
DE 47 Cody Galea, 6-3, 265, So.*

BSU
E - 8 Demarcus Lawrence 6-3 242
T - 43 Ricky Tjong-A-Tjoe 6-3 296
N - 99 Mike Atkinson 6-0 306

Nev
E 53 Brock Hekking 6-4 260
T 98 Jack Reynoso 6-3 275
T 92 Jordan Hanson 6-2 285
E 94 Lenny Jones 6-3 250

Rut
DE 90 Michael Larrow (Jr., 6-4, 270)
DT 72 Isaac Holmes (Jr., 6-3, 275)
DT 94 Scott Vallone (Sr., 6-3, 275)
DE 13 Ka'Lial Glaud (Sr., 6-2, 240)

Cin
L 54 Walter Stewart 6-5 249
T 91 A dam Dempsey 6-2 271
N 95 John Williams 6-0 283 S
E 99 D an Giordano 6-4 260


Feel free to double check my math - threw this together pretty quick...

very nice work - now do the linebackers

[nctyaztec]

Our DL is small but they're slow. I would prefer big and slow.

[aztecfankrishnan]

Yep, the problem isn't necessarily size. These guys just don't seem to be as talented as expected. Young talented players make mistakes, but they also make big plays. We have seen a lot of mistakes but the big plays are sorely lacking. They aren't beating anyone one-on-one which is why you can't put all the blame on Rocky Long. I guess you can blame recruiting, but some of these guys came in highly rated. Maybe they aren't being coached up? But, I still think we should see more one-on-one wins. We aren't seeing any speed. My theory is some of these guys actually bulked up too much and have lost speed and quickness. I hope I am wrong and they simply get better with experience.

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Oct 3, 2012 19:48:15 GMT -8 nctyaztec said:

Our DL is small but they're slow. I would prefer big and slow.

No there are not slow at all,they have good speed. The problem is they are sophomores and freshman. Our nose tackle is a true sophmore o the guy behind him a true freshman. Sanchez is a freshman,Galea has good speed and is tall but a soph. Also I feel like the strength coach that left or got canned did a lousy job last year.

[tonatiuh]

You want to hear something scary?(since it is that time of year)

The three players you have as our regulars on the DL are also our largest players for the line. 275lb. is the heaviest player we have there.
If, you add up all the players weights and divide by 10, because that is our total number, the average is only 253. We have a couple of DL's who are 230 & 235 lbs. Talk about light!

When we played north Dakota they had a couple of RB's that were 230lb. , or over.

Of course, one is a freshman, the other is a junior. We need some extra meat on that line to keep from getting pushed around so much.

[nctyaztec]

Oct 3, 2012 20:16:50 GMT -8 steveem said:

Oct 3, 2012 19:48:15 GMT -8 nctyaztec said:

Our DL is small but they're slow. I would prefer big and slow.

No there are not slow at all,they have good speed. The problem is they are sophomores and freshman. Our nose tackle is a true sophmore o the guy behind him a true freshman. Sanchez is a freshman,Galea has good speed and is tall but a soph. Also I feel like the strength coach that left or got canned did a lousy job last year.

I would say that the DE are not very quick. All the guys are good athletes. However, their combination are not good, small but no quickness. Meredith does not carry his weight very well as compare to Jerome Long. He's about a year or two away. Galea should play DT. I do not see any speed. Another year in the weight room and he will be good at the DT. Onuaha was a DT in high school but is now play DE. I noticed that he lost weight since high school (buff dude), but he should be at DT. These guys may have better speed than the average D1 DT but they do not have good speed to be successful at the DE position.