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Post by AztecBill on Oct 1, 2012 10:50:00 GMT -8
There has been a lot of talk that the Rockies are going to trade Troy Tulowitzki.
Tulowitzki has hit really well and plays a great SS. His hitting is not just a Coors field thing. His 3 year (2009-2011) SLG is over .500. The question is his contract.
2013 $10 Million 28 year old
2014 $16 Million 29 years old
2015 $20 Million 30 years old
2016 $20 Million 31 years old
2017 $20 Million 32 years old
2018 $20 Million 33 years old
2019 $20 Million 34 years old
2020 $14 Million 35 years old
2021 $15 Million 36 years old ($4 Million buyout)
Salaries for 2020 and 2021 may increase by $6M annually based on MVP votes, Gold Gloves, Silver Sluggers or All-Star selections.
May only be traded once during the contract so he has a full no-trade with the Padres.
He has had injury problems this year but 2009-2011 his average WAR is 6.2. Should the Padres accept that salary obligation and how much should the Padres dip into that #1 minor league system?
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Post by jhonka34 on Oct 1, 2012 11:06:59 GMT -8
9 years w/ a no-trade is a pretty big obligation. If you decided to make the move you couldn't give up too much or you could set back the franchise years. I would probably stay away unless I had an owner that was willing to pony up the cash to replace him if the project fails.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2012 11:24:35 GMT -8
One of the worst contracts in recent history. Set your watch by his injuries, happens every season. No thanks.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 1, 2012 12:27:45 GMT -8
One of the worst contracts in recent history. Set your watch by his injuries, happens every season. No thanks. 2007 666 2008 415 2009 616 2010 518 He plays enough. When he does play his defense and offense are both huge pluses. His Wins above replacement (WAR) is the #2 shortstop to Hanley Ramirez.That stat is adjusted for ball park and amount of play. For comparison Headley's WAR this year is 5.8. Tulo averaged 4.9 over a 5 year period. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2012 19:56:53 GMT -8
101 games in 2008, 122 games in 2009 and 43 games this year. Does NOT justify the mega contract he got. And the Padres cannot afford to have one player dominate their payroll as he would do.
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Post by insider on Oct 2, 2012 2:09:15 GMT -8
Rather go after Andrus.
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Post by insider on Oct 2, 2012 2:14:38 GMT -8
101 games in 2008, 122 games in 2009 and 43 games this year. Does NOT justify the mega contract he got. And the Padres cannot afford to have one player dominate their payroll as he would do. Even with the injuries he was the second most valuable shortstop in the game between 2008 and 2011, and was top 20 in WAR. He is worth that contract, just not worth it for the Padres. Even though the Rockies could use the long term help for farm system, I wouldn't deal him when his value is at his lowest. |
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 2, 2012 8:31:11 GMT -8
101 games in 2008, 122 games in 2009 and 43 games this year. Does NOT justify the mega contract he got. And the Padres cannot afford to have one player dominate their payroll as he would do. Even with the injuries he was the second most valuable shortstop in the game between 2008 and 2011, and was top 20 in WAR. He is worth that contract, just not worth it for the Padres. Even though the Rockies could use the long term help for farm system, I wouldn't deal him when his value is at his lowest. But if the Padres pay for him and a free agent Ace (Peavy) and a stud reliver (Adams), would he be worth it? We have Headley for 2 years and wouldn't have to sign him until next year and Peavy may be interested in a one year deal. That would give the Padres payroll room to do it all. With Peavy, Adams, and Tulo, the Padres should be a winning team that can keep pace with the Giants and Dodgers. Peavy and the one year deal makes sense for the Padres and Peavy. Peavy is better than he has shown. Pitching one year for the Padres could catapolt him into a multi-year mega bucks contract that teams would be hesitant to do now. Padres have numerous pitching in the minors that may be a year away. The money saved by letting Peavy walk can be used to sign Headley the following year. |
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 2, 2012 8:41:08 GMT -8
Is Texas going to trade him? |
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 2, 2012 8:59:56 GMT -8
It is fun to think of the batting order if we get Tulo and Gyorko can play 2B next year.
1. Venable/Dornorfia
2. Gyorko/Forsythe
3. Tulowitzki
4. Headley
5. Quentin
6. Grandal/Hundley
7. Alonso
8. Maybin
That is a solid lineup top to bottom. I would only bat Maybin 8th if they plan to allow him to steal with the pitcher up and one out.
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Post by insider on Oct 2, 2012 10:15:36 GMT -8
Is Texas going to trade him? Not positive but I would think they would at least listen, with Profar the SS of the future, Andrus 2 years away from free agency, and Kinsler at 2B. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 11:58:17 GMT -8
One key factor to consider would be how much of the salary would Colorado take on.
At full freight? I'd pass. We have no indication yet the new owner will support a much healthier payroll. Can we afford to have one player eating up sp much of it?
I am also skeptical COL would trade him to a division rival unless they got a kings ransom.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 2, 2012 12:01:23 GMT -8
One key factor to consider would be how much of the salary would Colorado take on. At full freight? I'd pass. We have no indication yet the new owner will support a much healthier payroll. Can we afford to have one player eating up sp much of it? I am also skeptical COL would trade him to a division rival unless they got a kings ransom. Good point. We only have $27 Million obligated next year. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 20, 2012 13:25:21 GMT -8
You have to take his gaudy stats with a grain of salt, Coors Field adds a few dingers and points on the BA.
He was injured this year and didn't even get 240 AB's.
That is a lot of money for a guy with these question marks. If the Rockies are looking to move Tulo, he might get traded to a team like the Yankees who can legitimately afford his bloated contract.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 22, 2012 9:18:25 GMT -8
You have to take his gaudy stats with a grain of salt, Coors Field adds a few dingers and points on the BA. He was injured this year and didn't even get 240 AB's. That is a lot of money for a guy with these question marks. If the Rockies are looking to move Tulo, he might get traded to a team like the Yankees who can legitimately afford his bloated contract. You don't have to guess about his value because of Coors. That is because he plays 81 games a year on the road. Tulo Road Stats 2009-2012 .294 .365 .520 .885 - 35 HR in 660 ABs. That is really good for a SS. |
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Oct 27, 2012 21:47:45 GMT -8
You have to take his gaudy stats with a grain of salt, Coors Field adds a few dingers and points on the BA. He was injured this year and didn't even get 240 AB's. That is a lot of money for a guy with these question marks. If the Rockies are looking to move Tulo, he might get traded to a team like the Yankees who can legitimately afford his bloated contract. You don't have to guess about his value because of Coors. That is because he plays 81 games a year on the road. Tulo Road Stats 2009-2012 .294 .365 .520 .885 - 35 HR in 660 ABs. That is really good for a SS. His road stats are damned good, but those number also point up his main weakness... durability and being able to stay in the lineup. 660 AB's, a little more than what's generally seen in a full season's stats, accumulated in 4 road seasons, equivalent to 2 full seasons. An average of 330 AB's for a season equivalent. He has averaged missing more than 1/3 of a season over that period. |
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 30, 2012 15:13:57 GMT -8
You don't have to guess about his value because of Coors. That is because he plays 81 games a year on the road. Tulo Road Stats 2009-2012 .294 .365 .520 .885 - 35 HR in 660 ABs. That is really good for a SS. His road stats are damned good, but those number also point up his main weakness... durability and being able to stay in the lineup. 660 AB's, a little more than what's generally seen in a full season's stats, accumulated in 4 road seasons, equivalent to 2 full seasons. An average of 330 AB's for a season equivalent. He has averaged missing more than 1/3 of a season over that period. He still had over 600 PA in 2 of the past 3 seasons (before this year). Even missing a month would still result in a huge upgrade at SS. Tulo PA2007 682 2008 421 2009 628 2010 529 2011 606 2012 203 The current season is an outlier. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Oct 30, 2012 18:12:45 GMT -8
Not sure where the idea that Tulo is a big injury prone player came from...He's no Prince Fielder but he's also no Grady Sizemore...
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 4, 2012 2:18:12 GMT -8
I am going to change my opinion on this topic. If the Padres want to spend the money and bring Tulo on board, why not? He would be the cornerstone hitter of a potent lineup and could be the bat which leads the San Diego Padres back into the post season.
I think the new owners should send the following message to the community of San Diego:
The Padres are going to spend some money and field teams with the talent to take on LA, SF and AZ.
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