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Post by jdaztec on Sept 28, 2012 18:32:19 GMT -8
Did my part. As a long time season ticket holder I knew when we scored with 2 minutes to go we were in trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2012 18:59:58 GMT -8
This is well said. I have been attending Aztec games for 40 years and crowds do make it special. Look what it has done for basketball? I have seen our crowd will our team to wins in bball when we realistically were not in the game. That being said, here is a slight rebuttal and maybe some reasons why fans are not flocking to games. 1. Game atmosphere is TERRIBLE!!!! I remember when Lucchino was president of Padres and they changed the atmosphere well before the team was any good. It made a difference. i have proposed several ideas to change it with previous AD's but nobody seems to care. It is great to make deals and raise money, but our game atmosphere is abysmal and the last time that anybody actually cared was in 1992. 2. The offseason marketing is a joke. You don't create big crowds during the season. You create big crowds with big season ticket sales. Where is the urgency to sell season tickets. they should be fighting with every last breath to come up with campaigns that will sell season tickets. 3. Rocky Long is unproven and boring. I am not saying he will not be a good coach, but he doesn't create any buzz and he has never done anything to hang your hat on. 4. Nobody in the community knows our players. That includes many of our fans. 5. Home games are on TV in San Diego. I know the arguments on both sides, but if you are not invested in the program, you will probably just stay home and watch on TV. 6. Lack of marketing. San Diego should know the future of Aztec football. Who will we be playing in our league? What options are we looking at if the Chargers leave? Information should not just be disseminated......the program, and its components needs to be sold..... big time. We can't just wait for a winner. We have 2 straight years of bowl games and look at the crowds. They are terrible. There are about 30,000 fans who rarely go to games but are the type that if the Aztecs have a breakout year or 2 will be the first to tell you they have supported the program forever. You need to get those guys now! They need a reason to get off their asses and get to the games and get there early! Right now, there isn't. I am a huge fan and have been forever. But the game experience stinks and the stadium feels like a morgue. It keeps people away. Agree with everything but #5. Having home games on TV are very important to building our fan base long-term. If they are not on TV, the team will be ignored. Taking them off TV will create smaller crowds. I actually agree with 5. Here is what you do. Make it like an NFL game as far as blacking games out. Just make it reasonable for SDSU. Lets say 40,000 paid, (aka announced) (Meaning 30K at the gate) or a blackout. This way, more people show up to the games, and the people who insist on watching it on TV will have paid for a ticket which supports the University. No hatin' Just sayin' |
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Sept 28, 2012 19:04:17 GMT -8
Blacking out SDSU games might be the worst idea ever discussed on this board and all of its predecessors.
Seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2012 20:07:39 GMT -8
Blacking out SDSU games might be the worst idea ever discussed on this board and all of its predecessors. Seriously. You are most likely right. I was just throwing a line out if you will. It is being implemented by the NFL though. I don't know if it helps or hurts attendance for home games?? |
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Post by aztec70 on Sept 28, 2012 20:52:24 GMT -8
you play teams like San Jose State, and you wont have people show up. People dont want to come out for teams like Cal Poly and San Jose State. I dont care if you put up 80 points. I disagree. If fans can expect exciting, and winning, football they will show up for Cal Poly and San Jose. |
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Post by uncledougy on Sept 28, 2012 21:42:31 GMT -8
Agree with everything but #5. Having home games on TV are very important to building our fan base long-term. If they are not on TV, the team will be ignored. Taking them off TV will create smaller crowds. I actually agree with 5. Here is what you do. Make it like an NFL game as far as blacking games out. Just make it reasonable for SDSU. Lets say 40,000 paid, (aka announced) (Meaning 30K at the gate) or a blackout. This way, more people show up to the games, and the people who insist on watching it on TV will have paid for a ticket which supports the University. No hatin' Just sayin' It would be real interesting to see if a blackout impacts attendance....I wish they could try it out. As a die hard, sometimes it is a little bit of a bummer being there when its empty. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2012 21:57:04 GMT -8
you play teams like San Jose State, and you wont have people show up. People dont want to come out for teams like Cal Poly and San Jose State. I dont care if you put up 80 points. I disagree. If fans can expect exciting, and winning, football they will show up for Cal Poly and San Jose. Besides the Sky Show, wasn't Cal Poly one of the more attended games? I really don't understand why SDSU doesn't get more people in the stands. Tickets are cheap!!! When I went there, tickets were free for students yet there still wasn't many people in the stands. I would tend to think it's a marketing thing. |
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Sept 29, 2012 8:46:28 GMT -8
I really don't understand why SDSU doesn't get more people in the stands. Tickets are cheap!!! When I went there, tickets were free for students yet there still wasn't many people in the stands. I would tend to think it's a marketing thing. If by "marketing", you mean a football program that, over the last 20 years, has been a perennial loser, then yes, it's a marketing thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 9:07:10 GMT -8
Nobody is staying away because ticket prices are too high. And I doubt more than a few thousand per game are staying away because the games are televised locally. It's primarily unperformance by the team. Merely satisfactory recruiting rather than GOOD recruiting and merely satisfactory play overall rather than consistent quality. That's much better than the crap we put up with during Chuck's reign of error but it sure isn't up to the standards that SDSU is capable of as evidenced by what Steve Fisher has done with the basketball program. The fact many out there fail to grasp that is very surprising.
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Sept 29, 2012 9:07:16 GMT -8
Tomorrow will be my 5th game of the year and I don't live within 100 miles of the Q. For those of you that haven't made it out, this is one of the most fun Aztec teams I've seen. They play hard and are exciting, no excuse for not coming out to support them. You have to start at the top: Jim Sterk. Why is he our AD? Why? The only reason to bring in a person from a pac-fudge school would be to have a way to get into the one BCS conference with teams in California. I remember when Jim Sterk gave his speech at the Army tailgate along the Hudson river, "We here, at Washington State..."   HAM |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 9:10:35 GMT -8
You have to start at the top: Jim Sterk. At this point, I would equate Sterk with Rocky Long. Both are a huge improvement on their predecessors Bay/Schemmel and Craft/Chuck. However, that merely means they are deserving of a grade of C rather than D or F. I'd still love to see what Steve Fisher could do as our AD. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 10:24:57 GMT -8
SGF-you are right on with your last two posts...........
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 11:27:56 GMT -8
Getting people in this town to go to any sporting event is like pulling teeth. It will always be an uphill battle, no matter how exciting the team or coach is or how many games they win. San Diego sports fans suck. Period.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 11:31:03 GMT -8
Tell that to the Men's basketball team now or the Chargers during the Tomlison era...
These are excuses. The truth is San Diego fans are scred to cheer for a team that might lose some, so instead they wait in the hopes the team will be ranked before getting behind them. I'll be there win or lose, year in, year out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 11:50:37 GMT -8
Yes, Fans who only show up when a team is on the very top and it is the in thing to do are s#!++y fans. Welcome to sd.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 12:04:19 GMT -8
IMO, SDSU would be better off just dropping football entirely than going down to the FCS level. Drop football entirely and SDSU could eliminate not just the 85 scholarships attached to that sport but an additional 85 which have to be devoted to women's sports because of Title IX. But eliminating football would mean eliminating any chance of gaining admission to the B12 someday or, if we're really lucky, the Pac.
Best case scenario: Hire a football coach as good as Steve Fisher. They're out there. In fact, we could have hired Jimbo Fisher but Jeff Schemmel hired his buddy Chuck Long instead.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 12:18:43 GMT -8
Nobody is staying away because ticket prices are too high. And I doubt more than a few thousand per game are staying away because the games are televised locally. It's primarily unperformance by the team. Merely satisfactory recruiting rather than GOOD recruiting and merely satisfactory play overall rather than consistent quality. That's much better than the crap we put up with during Chuck's reign of error but it sure isn't up to the standards that SDSU is capable of as evidenced by what Steve Fisher has done with the basketball program. The fact many out there fail to grasp that is very surprising. I completely understand the performance thing. I have made that clear in many of my post. But you would think after back to back winning seasons, although pretty average, that the Aztecs would get more people through the gate than they are getting. I know some people are are not going to like this, and it really isn't something I like, but would SDSU be better off dropping down to Div1 FCS for the sake of saving football if the BE fails. They would play teams like Cal Poly, UND and Montana, Schedule a PAC or Big 12 (Ect.) team as part of the OOC, be part of a 16 team playoff and possibly get home playoff games. This might help attendance. However, don't know what the ramification would be regarding recruiting, TV revenue, as well as overall revenue?? Not suggesting, just asking. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 12:30:54 GMT -8
IMO, SDSU would be better off just dropping football entirely than going down to the FCS level. Drop football entirely and SDSU could eliminate not just the 85 scholarships attached to that sport but an additional 85 which have to be devoted to women's sports because of Title IX. But eliminating football would mean eliminating any chance of gaining admission to the B12 someday or, if we're really lucky, the Pac. Best case scenario: Hire a football coach as good as Steve Fisher. They're out there. In fact, we could have hired Jimbo Fisher but Jeff Schemmel hired his buddy Chuck Long instead. Sorry, I deleted while editing when you were responding. LOL. SGF was actually responding to this. "I completely understand the performance thing. I have made that clear in many of my post. But you would think after back to back winning seasons, although pretty average, that the Aztecs would get more people through the gate than they are getting." "I know some people are are not going to like this, and it really isn't something I like, but would SDSU be better off dropping down to Div1 FCS for the sake of saving football if the BE fails. They would play teams like Cal Poly, UND and Montana, Schedule a PAC or Big 12 team as part of the OOC, be part of a 16 team playoff and possibly get home playoff games. This might help attendance. However, don't know what the ramification would be regarding recruiting, TV revenue, as well as overall revenue?? Not suggesting, just asking." |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Sept 29, 2012 12:43:13 GMT -8
Nobody is staying away because ticket prices are too high. And I doubt more than a few thousand per game are staying away because the games are televised locally. It's primarily unperformance by the team. Merely satisfactory recruiting rather than GOOD recruiting and merely satisfactory play overall rather than consistent quality. That's much better than the crap we put up with during Chuck's reign of error but it sure isn't up to the standards that SDSU is capable of as evidenced by what Steve Fisher has done with the basketball program. The fact many out there fail to grasp that is very surprising. "rain of error" that's fun knee. You know, there was a basketball game at Loyola Marymount early in Coach Fisher's term at SDSU. I was there with HAM and when us Aztecs opened up just before tipoff, and screamed, "Aztecs", I remember it was so loud, that Coach Fisher turned immediately around to look up at us, and his look, I'll never forget, was a stunned WOW!! look... I think at that moment, he got it about us Aztec fans supporting him. I'd bet that moment fired him up. He's on the road in lalaland inside of pac-fudge, and UCLA territory, and what da know, Aztec fans up the cazoo! And superiorly loud, ta-boot. We got that going with Brady Hoke but the bcs monopoly bought him away from us...maybe this season is simply the "quiet before the storm". Coach Long has a quiet confidence that I like but the rest of the SDSU department...well they don't and haven't listened to the thousands of suggestions and followed through and actually put the suggestions into working condition and try them, so, it's the SDSU dept people who are to blame. Period. Oh, and I'll give you an example. When Brian Sipe brought back the Warrior Walk, I suggested to a few in the SDSU dept that the bus drivers on all buses bringing in the team, should blow their bus horns three times in unison to announce the starting of the Walk... ...still silence. Or, maybe just blow the bus horns for five seconds? Nope, can't do a simple thing like that. HAM |
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