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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 1, 2010 6:37:24 GMT -8
I have long favored stricter criminal measures for people who deliberately lie, cheat and steal to try to get ahead in this world. All serious criminals, corrupt politicians, evil bankers and the like should be banished from civilized society.
We have an island off of the coast of California called San Clemente. It is now used for almost nothing except for Naval gunfire target practice. It is time that we use it for a prison island where the prisoners are allowed to be as evil as they want, isolated from society. There would be a twenty mile exclusion zone around it that the Navy would patrol sinking any boat (raft) that tried to escape from the island or tried to go to it.
The scumbags on the island could set up their own political system. They could make up their own laws. They would just be isolated from the rest of the United States. They would have to fish for a living and raise crops and hunt goats, rats and whatever else might provide protein. We would construct some simple dams to collect rain water from the low mountain runoff, but after those dams were built, the people of the island would have to fend for themselves.
It would be their laws, their civilization that they earned because they decided not to abide by the laws back on the mainland. Heck, they could have a paradise in the sun if they worked on it.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 1, 2010 6:41:09 GMT -8
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Post by joshjones1 on Sept 1, 2010 6:44:45 GMT -8
Like "Lord of the Flies" for convicts?
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 1, 2010 7:06:21 GMT -8
Like "Lord of the Flies" for convicts? Well, hopefully they would try to be civilized. Of course, once we drop the criminals off they could chose any form of government they want. They would just not be allowed to return to our society as they voted by their actions to take a life long pleasure vacation or whatever on San Clemente. I am certain that the bankers would get everything in order fairly quickly. Either that or they would be ordered fairly quickly. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 1, 2010 7:11:25 GMT -8
To be honest with you guys, I have long considered writing this up as a book. I guess it would be sci fi.
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Post by Frantic on Sept 1, 2010 8:13:47 GMT -8
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 1, 2010 9:11:08 GMT -8
The only thing they would have in common would be the Prison Island. The French had an actual one down in French Guyana, too. What you do with the concept and story is a totally different thing in each situation. When I made up the story about a global pandemic killing off almost all of the world population and told it to my kids a third of a century ago as a teaching tool (We home schooled), I had never heard of The Stand which was first released in the late 1970's. I had never heard of The Stand, but with the same concept of a global pandemic with only a few survivors, my book was totally different from Stephen King's book. Apparently there is room for that story to be developed, as my combined book (two books into one) has been a best seller for seven years now. I wonder what San Clemente could do? I will think about it for a week and then make up my mind. I know I could put boob in there as a totally nefarious character who would be the first elected to become food. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 1, 2010 9:14:01 GMT -8
How about prisons on the desert? Well, I don't mean exactly Death Valley, but far out of town. Put up barbed wire enclosures, individual ones if you are afraid of some prisoners brutalizing other prisoners. Enclosures to shield the prisoners from the elements, of course, and three meals a day. Plant land mines all around the place, with machine gun guard towers and trained dogs.
Really, why do we need these multi-million dollar prisons that are being built these days? Put the tough cases on the desert "farms" I am recommending. Those inmates who are deemed appropriate for rehabilitation could be housed in existing prisons where they could get treatment and some education. If they screwed up there, off to the "farm" with them! Sort of like threatening Wehrmacht troops stationed in 1943 France that if they were deficient they would go to the Eastern Front.
AzWm
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Post by Frantic on Sept 1, 2010 10:54:21 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 1, 2010 11:35:17 GMT -8
How about doing what Joe says and then run tours out there? You could have tours that just observe the behavior of the folks on the island. You might even consider charging a nice fee for a hunting liscense for open season on the criminals. Get a tag for males only.
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Post by davdesid on Sept 1, 2010 12:55:27 GMT -8
Is there still a goat population there? If so, the moonbat lefty politicians wouldn't be sexually frustrated.
I wouldn't stop the gunnery exercises, either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 14:11:11 GMT -8
Just build a fence around DC and Sacramento. Why waste a good target range?
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 1, 2010 14:58:37 GMT -8
Is there still a goat population there? If so, the moonbat lefty politicians wouldn't be sexually frustrated. I wouldn't stop the gunnery exercises, either. Goats have pretty much been hunted down and killed. The bald eagles have made a huge come back and the tiny foxes are working on one if the eagles don't get them all. Good thing there aren't any sheep out there or I'm sure you would have left home and headed there a long time ago. =Bob |
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Post by davdesid on Sept 1, 2010 16:07:48 GMT -8
>>>Good thing there aren't any sheep out there or I'm sure you would have left home and headed there a long time ago.<<<the Perfesser
Well, Perfesser, I've been to San Clemente Island for gunnery exercises many times. If I were interested in sheep, I would go to Brokeback Mountain.
I'm sorry that your goat concubines have been hunted down and killed. Just be careful with those bald eagles, I don't think they are very friendly.
You could try gooney birds, if any of them get far enough east of Laysan. I hear they have lice, but what would you care about that?
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 1, 2010 19:50:21 GMT -8
>>>Good thing there aren't any sheep out there or I'm sure you would have left home and headed there a long time ago.<<<the Perfesser Well, Perfesser, I've been to San Clemente Island for gunnery exercises many times. If I were interested in sheep, I would go to Brokeback Mountain. I'm sorry that your goat concubines have been hunted down and killed. Just be careful with those bald eagles, I don't think they are very friendly. You could try gooney birds, if any of them get far enough east of Laysan. I hear they have lice, but what would you care about that? Damn, don't I remember right that some green peace Smoke week and save the cockroaches environmental group managed to get the San Clementy Goats declared a separate species of goat totally unique to San Clemente Island. Because of that, they can be culled but only down to an estimated 4000. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 2, 2010 9:41:58 GMT -8
Is there still a goat population there? If so, the moonbat lefty politicians wouldn't be sexually frustrated. I wouldn't stop the gunnery exercises, either. Goats have pretty much been hunted down and killed. The bald eagles have made a huge come back and the tiny foxes are working on one if the eagles don't get them all. Good thing there aren't any sheep out there or I'm sure you would have left home and headed there a long time ago. =Bob History of the Goats scigoats.org/index.htm |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 3, 2010 10:58:03 GMT -8
Damn, don't I remember right that some green peace Smoke week and save the cockroaches environmental group managed to get the San Clementy Goats declared a separate species of goat totally unique to San Clemente Island. Because of that, they can be culled but only down to an estimated 4000. Cleveland Amory and the Fund for Animals, although I don't know if they tried to prove they are a sub-species. Either way, most enviros, especially in California, seriously disagreed with him. The hunting cut the population by more than half, IIRC, but the Fund went to court and got the hunting stopped on the basis that they would be responsible for live trapping the rest of them. Don't think there are any left on the island, which most of us who are involved in environmental matters considers a victory. =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 3, 2010 11:01:58 GMT -8
Goats have pretty much been hunted down and killed. The bald eagles have made a huge come back and the tiny foxes are working on one if the eagles don't get them all. Good thing there aren't any sheep out there or I'm sure you would have left home and headed there a long time ago. =Bob History of the Goats scigoats.org/index.htmWell, those are enthusiasts, so it should be taken with a grain of salt, although it's fairly accurate. I write "fairly" because of their use of emotional phrases such as "heritage goats". =Bob |
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