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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 10, 2012 21:43:22 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 11, 2012 4:53:31 GMT -8
While you are going over the ugly facts about the Volt, also keep in the back of your mind that the taxpayer is also way underwater on the bailout and that this screw up just adds to probability that we will never get our money back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 6:29:57 GMT -8
I was seriously thinking of buying a Volt until I went down to look at it. It has four doors but as an adult don't try to use the rear doors. Unless you are Twiggy you won 't make it in. Rear doors are for small children only. We needed a car that was capable of hauling four adults. Ended up with a Prius
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 11, 2012 6:49:04 GMT -8
I was seriously thinking of buying a Volt until I went down to look at it. It has four doors but as an adult don't try to use the rear doors. Unless you are Twiggy you won 't make it in. Rear doors are for small children only. We needed a car that was capable of hauling four adults. Ended up with a Prius Good choice! The plug in Prius is intriguing, but the range for battery just does not justify the 8K or so price difference. These things will get better as battery technology grows and the price comes down a little. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Sept 11, 2012 8:21:26 GMT -8
What an idiotic article. He takes one example, the Volt, to take a broadbrush swipe at an entire class of car. Actually multiple classes, all electric and hybred.
His saying that Nissan is having trouble selling the Leaf is an outright lie. His saying that there are "technical issues" with charging the Volt is ludicrous. The "technical issue" is plugging it in.
Yes, Chevy is losing money on every sale right now. Nissan probably is too. ALL new models of cars lose money on every sale until they sell enough to recoup their upfront costs. Sometimes they never do. The Ford Edsel and Chevy Covair lost millions. GM might have lost billions on the Saturn line.
But then you already knew all of that didn't you. You just wanted to take a swipe at the President because he is an advocate of alternate energy.
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 11, 2012 9:06:55 GMT -8
What an idiotic article. He takes one example, the Volt, to take a broadbrush swipe at an entire class of car. Actually multiple classes, all electric and hybred. His saying that Nissan is having trouble selling the Leaf is an outright lie. His saying that there are "technical issues" with charging the Volt is ludicrous. The "technical issue" is plugging it in. Yes, Chevy is losing money on every sale right now. Nissan probably is too. ALL new models of cars lose money on every sale until they sell enough to recoup their upfront costs. Sometimes they never do. The Ford Edsel and Chevy Covair lost millions. GM might have lost billions on the Saturn line. But then you already knew all of that didn't you. You just wanted to take a swipe at the President because he is an advocate of alternate energy. Is there trouble with selling Leaf? I would bet it is the best of the bunch of plug ins with Prius, but they are available without wait? What do you think is the basis of the "technical prolem"? I think they are reffering to the long charge time unless you install a $2,000 step up transformer system to speed it up. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 9:14:44 GMT -8
Good choice! The plug in Prius is intriguing, but the range for battery just does not justify the 8K or so price difference. These things will get better as battery technology grows and the price comes down a little. The 'Plug-In' didn't pencil out for me. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Sept 11, 2012 9:36:14 GMT -8
Good choice! The plug in Prius is intriguing, but the range for battery just does not justify the 8K or so price difference. These things will get better as battery technology grows and the price comes down a little. The 'Plug-In' didn't pencil out for me. they are not for everyone, at least yet. My Leaf was more expensive up front, $33K. However, my operational cost is less than $30.00 per month vs. $400 - $500 per month. It fits my commute. It wouldn't fit my wifes though. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 11, 2012 9:55:12 GMT -8
The 'Plug-In' didn't pencil out for me. they are not for everyone, at least yet. My Leaf was more expensive up front, $33K. However, my operational cost is less than $30.00 per month vs. $400 - $500 per month. It fits my commute. It wouldn't fit my wifes though. I find it hard to fathom your figures of $400 or more per month for gas that is repalced by the minimum range Leaf. Can you recharge fast enough to put that much mileage on the Leaf to replace $400 worth of gas? Amazing! |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Sept 12, 2012 9:38:12 GMT -8
they are not for everyone, at least yet. My Leaf was more expensive up front, $33K. However, my operational cost is less than $30.00 per month vs. $400 - $500 per month. It fits my commute. It wouldn't fit my wifes though. I find it hard to fathom your figures of $400 or more per month for gas that is repalced by the minimum range Leaf. Can you recharge fast enough to put that much mileage on the Leaf to replace $400 worth of gas? Amazing! I recharge every night. It takes about four hours using a level 2 charger (220 V) to go from basically empty to 100% charge. The charger has it's own meter so I know EXACTLY how much it costs to run. I've averaged $25.00 per month for the last 15 months. I used to drive a van which cost about $85.00 or so to fill up depending upon the price of fuel. I would normally fill the tank 5 times a month. Do the math. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 12, 2012 11:32:03 GMT -8
I find it hard to fathom your figures of $400 or more per month for gas that is repalced by the minimum range Leaf. Can you recharge fast enough to put that much mileage on the Leaf to replace $400 worth of gas? Amazing! I recharge every night. It takes about four hours using a level 2 charger (220 V) to go from basically empty to 100% charge. The charger has it's own meter so I know EXACTLY how much it costs to run. I've averaged $25.00 per month for the last 15 months. I used to drive a van which cost about $85.00 or so to fill up depending upon the price of fuel. I would normally fill the tank 5 times a month. Do the math. I think you are forgetting something. The math does not come out on what you previously said was your commute. Didn't you say about 15 miles each way? |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Sept 12, 2012 12:52:00 GMT -8
I recharge every night. It takes about four hours using a level 2 charger (220 V) to go from basically empty to 100% charge. The charger has it's own meter so I know EXACTLY how much it costs to run. I've averaged $25.00 per month for the last 15 months. I used to drive a van which cost about $85.00 or so to fill up depending upon the price of fuel. I would normally fill the tank 5 times a month. Do the math. I think you are forgetting something. The math does not come out on what you previously said was your commute. Didn't you say about 15 miles each way? I think it is about 22 miles. I'll check on google earth right now. 21.35 mile to be exact. My figures are about right plus or minus $25.00 per month. The total milage also includes running around during the week and weekends. Anyway, it works for me and is saving a ton of money. May not work for you if you have a longer commute as I'm about at the end of the range of the car when you factor in freeway speeds, 70 mph +, and San Diego's hills. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 12, 2012 16:00:31 GMT -8
I think you are forgetting something. The math does not come out on what you previously said was your commute. Didn't you say about 15 miles each way? I think it is about 22 miles. I'll check on google earth right now. 21.35 mile to be exact. My figures are about right plus or minus $25.00 per month. The total milage also includes running around during the week and weekends. Anyway, it works for me and is saving a ton of money. May not work for you if you have a longer commute as I'm about at the end of the range of the car when you factor in freeway speeds, 70 mph +, and San Diego's hills. Just as I figured, a little fudge factor. At any rate, the car would be a smart thing for most folks should it have extended range. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Sept 12, 2012 16:18:52 GMT -8
I think it is about 22 miles. I'll check on google earth right now. 21.35 mile to be exact. My figures are about right plus or minus $25.00 per month. The total milage also includes running around during the week and weekends. Anyway, it works for me and is saving a ton of money. May not work for you if you have a longer commute as I'm about at the end of the range of the car when you factor in freeway speeds, 70 mph +, and San Diego's hills. Just as I figured, a little fudge factor. At any rate, the car would be a smart thing for most folks should it have extended range. I've got a sweet tooth and a little fudge never bothered anyone. ;D |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Sept 16, 2012 8:16:15 GMT -8
I don't see the vehicle, financing, insurance, and future battery replacement costs factored into your cost to drive a volt, leaf, or pree-ass.
The pollution created by the production of one vehicle is greater than the pollution avoided from swithing from an old, used van (assuming you tune it up regularly) versus sending the van into the earth to rot, decay, and poison the ground water and purchasing a brand new, high tech automobile which has parts produced from raw materials recently taken from the earth...
You get the point.
A $49,000 government motors Volt which really has an $89,000 cost must be factored into your calculation. Let's walk through it. $89,000 divided by six years life. That's about $15,000 of cost per year. You drive it 15,000 miles per year and wha-lah! You have a one dollar per mile, cost of the vehicle cost to add in to your calculation.
So you get 40 miles per $4 gallon of gas. Well, add $40.
The fuel efficiency, least pollution created, and real go green, is when you keep your vehicle longer and maintain it well. Once you have 200,000 miles and the vehicle is still in top condition, then you have really, truly, gone Green. Well, as best as you can.
HAM TAX
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Sept 16, 2012 8:25:33 GMT -8
Nissan has a new commercial promoting a vehicle that warns you when your tire pressure is off. This is excellent! Tire pressure is a big energy factor and how many of you have checked your tire pressure within the past month, fiscal month?
HAM TAX
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Sept 16, 2012 8:33:46 GMT -8
Yes, Chevy is losing money on every sale right now. Nissan probably is too. ALL new models of cars lose money on every sale until they sell enough to recoup their upfront costs. Sometimes they never do. The Ford Edsel and Chevy Covair lost millions. GM might have lost billions on the Saturn line. But then you already knew all of that didn't you. You just wanted to take a swipe at the President because he is an advocate of alternate energy. What an idiotic statement. You take one example, the Edsel, to take a broadbrush swipe at an entire car industry. Actually classless. Did you forget the efforts of Getty Oil Company which began in the 1970s to development, produce, and market alternative fuels? After these years the US government has allowed monopolies to envelope nearly all industries, your dumb prezident thinks the government can now just run everything. Had the US government not gone corrupt and allowed monopolies, then the private sector and Getty Oil Company would have, without putting the entire burden on the taxpayers, succeeded, as much as reasonably possible, with the alternative fuels. You prezident just did a big copy job on his "environmental" stance. HAM TAX |
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