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Post by monty on Aug 18, 2012 18:14:21 GMT -8
Not the fuster cluck rummage sale, the actual fooseball - didn't see a thread on it so here goes:
QBs - Katz made a couple nice throws, namely a deep out to I think sandifer that I seem to recall against a 2 level zone as he fit it in nicely over the guy in the flat and under the corner on deep third , 2nd or 3rd drive he made some nice throws and decisions. Way too many swing passes and Butler was on the other squad most if not all of the game so hard to really judge, he was late on some throws and high on most of his throws when pressured. He also was late on making some throws like a bomb to lockett and on a scramble to the corner of the endzone where by the time he realized what he had the receiver was going to be at the back of the endzone with corner and safety there. His arm is college level, but it's a huge step down from Lindley - he made the deep out throw, but there was not much zip on it, not sure he can make that throw consistently. He should be more than serviceable for us this year, if he gets the timing and recognition down, he'll have a nice year
Dingwell - he started by just throwing it as far as he could down the sideline first two passes. He then made some realistic throws he can make and was pretty efficient first few drives, hit butler on a crossing route for a td after hitting the te up the seem for a nice 3rd down conversion, think it was heweit or maybe shields. He also made some poor decisions, threw an awful pic. Not a bad performance overall, he's a capable backup, a year of seasoning he could take over the team next year
Morin and the 3rds vs 3rds- I thought the 3rd vs 3rd was just really bad, awful, horrid football and Morin was no better or worse than the rest of the young guys - it looked like what these things used to look like with Craft and Chucky, but at least these guys were mostly freshman. I watched Flores for a little bit and he had a good drop and footwork, handled a spin move really well, kept his base and then one of the other new ol, name escapes me, (think it was paul rodriguez) punished the guy for trying a spin move. Both need to grow into the position, but looked decent when I focused on them because the rest of it was so awful. Otherwise, 3rd team was terrible with bad turnovers Morin on either a broken play or a naked bootleg got lit up, let's all just forget that 'halftime happened'
RBS: Hardwick had some nice patient runs, price is quick, had some decent runs, muema fell down or got stuffed a couple times
They basically refused to run the ball during much of the scrimmage so hard to take much away besides I liked the way Hardwick ran - not just the yardage, the way.
No Walter
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This offense really needs Denso or Vizzi (who had a td catch in a shallow crossing route) to be on the field - Butler and locket are deep threats, someone needs to operate in space other than Escobar or Shields or Hewitt Locket cut a little swing pass with a crack back, turned the corner and was gone - good to see. Katz threw a pretty bomb down the middle to him and he only got a hand on it, in a game you'd like to see him lay out for it. Katz or Dingwell (pretty sure Katz) was late on him being wide open down the middle going the other way in the 3rd quarter, Lockett slowed down then couldn't get back up to catch it - he's surely still working on hauling in some of those bombs, but it was more qb than him the first time Sandifier had some decent catches, Ruffin didn't do much was thrown at a couple of times that were awful passes, I seem to recall him not making a play he should have made but forget. I thought Heweit looked good, but just pulled up the stats and they have him with no catches and shields with 4, maybe a mix up there or with me, but 89 looked good to me
Punting or I Think Rocky is right and we shouldn't do this if 77 has to punt. McMorrow has a big leg, but seemed to tire a bit and the distance went down. 77 was a shank machine, with that number maybe he'll provide tackle depth. McMorrow and 40 something both had big legs (not sure why they set up to have them kick at the scissor jack) on field goals - we'll see when games and rushers are coming.
D-line - Meredith played well, if he stays healthy he's going to be a big piece, there is some good talent across the line liek I've been saying, watched them doing drills and good pop and intensity - they are going to leave some stick marks. Kottman looks really undersized and was horse collared during the reach block and make a tackle drill - he needs to play outside backer and/or redshirt
O-line - got eaten up at times, hard really to tell at this point, I was more interested in the pass timing and there were not a lot of runs so guys were just in sprinter stances teeing off at the qb. The holes were there at times, and what Hardwick did that impressed me was he let the blocks set up, got to the hole and exploded through them
It was the midterm scrimmage and it was all over the place - 1st team D got beat around at times and 1st team O looked bad at times, but Katz was butler-less and the D, who knows why they didn't look that sharp at times. They all got a lot of work in with both squads going and the 3rd stringers being the half time. In short: they looked like a D1a football team (unlike the craft/chuck years) and they have a lot to work on the next 2 weeks, but we should be no worse than the last 2 years.
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Post by aztecbo on Aug 18, 2012 19:22:34 GMT -8
Anyone know how Escobar's leg is?
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Post by bschmurda on Aug 18, 2012 19:57:29 GMT -8
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Post by sdsuballer on Aug 18, 2012 20:16:54 GMT -8
Anyone know how Escobar's leg is? Nice legal hit by defender! Just wish the defender would have let up on Escobar when he was crossing down the middle. Right now Escobar and lockett look like our play makers. Escobar should be wearing a red jersey to protect him from future injuries. Hopefully its not a major injury.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 18, 2012 20:26:04 GMT -8
Not the fuster cluck rummage sale, the actual fooseball - didn't see a thread on it so here goes: QBs - Katz made a couple nice throws, namely a deep out to I think sandifer that I seem to recall against a 2 level zone as he fit it in nicely over the guy in the flat and under the corner on deep third , 2nd or 3rd drive he made some nice throws and decisions. Way too many swing passes and Butler was on the other squad most if not all of the game so hard to really judge, he was late on some throws and high on most of his throws when pressured. He also was late on making some throws like a bomb to lockett and on a scramble to the corner of the endzone where by the time he realized what he had the receiver was going to be at the back of the endzone with corner and safety there. His arm is college level, but it's a huge step down from Lindley - he made the deep out throw, but there was not much zip on it, not sure he can make that throw consistently. He should be more than serviceable for us this year, if he gets the timing and recognition down, he'll have a nice year Dingwell - he started by just throwing it as far as he could down the sideline first two passes. He then made some realistic throws he can make and was pretty efficient first few drives, hit butler on a crossing route for a td after hitting the te up the seem for a nice 3rd down conversion, think it was heweit or maybe shields. He also made some poor decisions, threw an awful pic. Not a bad performance overall, he's a capable backup, a year of seasoning he could take over the team next year Morin and the 3rds vs 3rds- I thought the 3rd vs 3rd was just really bad, awful, horrid football and Morin was no better or worse than the rest of the young guys - it looked like what these things used to look like with Craft and Chucky, but at least these guys were mostly freshman. I watched Flores for a little bit and he had a good drop and footwork, handled a spin move really well, kept his base and then one of the other new ol, name escapes me, (think it was paul rodriguez) punished the guy for trying a spin move. Both need to grow into the position, but looked decent when I focused on them because the rest of it was so awful. Otherwise, 3rd team was terrible with bad turnovers Morin on either a broken play or a naked bootleg got lit up, let's all just forget that 'halftime happened' RBS: Hardwick had some nice patient runs, price is quick, had some decent runs, muema fell down or got stuffed a couple times They basically refused to run the ball during much of the scrimmage so hard to take much away besides I liked the way Hardwick ran - not just the yardage, the way. No Walter WRs: This offense really needs Denso or Vizzi (who had a td catch in a shallow crossing route) to be on the field - Butler and locket are deep threats, someone needs to operate in space other than Escobar or Shields or Hewitt Locket cut a little swing pass with a crack back, turned the corner and was gone - good to see. Katz threw a pretty bomb down the middle to him and he only got a hand on it, in a game you'd like to see him lay out for it. Katz or Dingwell (pretty sure Katz) was late on him being wide open down the middle going the other way in the 3rd quarter, Lockett slowed down then couldn't get back up to catch it - he's surely still working on hauling in some of those bombs, but it was more qb than him the first time Sandifier had some decent catches, Ruffin didn't do much was thrown at a couple of times that were awful passes, I seem to recall him not making a play he should have made but forget. I thought Heweit looked good, but just pulled up the stats and they have him with no catches and shields with 4, maybe a mix up there or with me, but 89 looked good to me Punting or I Think Rocky is right and we shouldn't do this if 77 has to punt. McMorrow has a big leg, but seemed to tire a bit and the distance went down. 77 was a shank machine, with that number maybe he'll provide tackle depth. McMorrow and 40 something both had big legs (not sure why they set up to have them kick at the scissor jack) on field goals - we'll see when games and rushers are coming. D-line - Meredith played well, if he stays healthy he's going to be a big piece, there is some good talent across the line liek I've been saying, watched them doing drills and good pop and intensity - they are going to leave some stick marks. Kottman looks really undersized and was horse collared during the reach block and make a tackle drill - he needs to play outside backer and/or redshirt O-line - got eaten up at times, hard really to tell at this point, I was more interested in the pass timing and there were not a lot of runs so guys were just in sprinter stances teeing off at the qb. The holes were there at times, and what Hardwick did that impressed me was he let the blocks set up, got to the hole and exploded through them It was the midterm scrimmage and it was all over the place - 1st team D got beat around at times and 1st team O looked bad at times, but Katz was butler-less and the D, who knows why they didn't look that sharp at times. They all got a lot of work in with both squads going and the 3rd stringers being the half time. In short: they looked like a D1a football team (unlike the craft/chuck years) and they have a lot to work on the next 2 weeks, but we should be no worse than the last 2 years. Thanks for the analysis. The only things I don't agree with is the Craft knocks. Chuck's years yes, Craft's years no.
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Post by sdsuballer on Aug 18, 2012 20:33:59 GMT -8
Felt pretty good with QB, TE, and RB's. Still have the same problems with WR's from last year. Unless the ball is thrown perfect they aren't catching them. The only positive was Lockett looked more comfortable as a WR and butler has good hands but no separation speed.
Special team=> Well we now know why we are going for it on 4th down. Boy #77 shanked several punts. The other punter wasn't any better. The defense looked like it needs alot more work! They looked like the first half defense....
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 19, 2012 3:39:29 GMT -8
Felt pretty good with QB, TE, and RB's. Still have the same problems with WR's from last year. Unless the ball is thrown perfect they aren't catching them. The only positive was Lockett looked more comfortable as a WR and butler has good hands but no separation speed. Special team=> Well we now know why we are going for it on 4th down. Boy #77 shanked several punts. The other punter wasn't any better. The defense looked like it needs alot more work! They looked like the first half defense.... Yeah but those were unrushed scrimmage punts. Put him in a position with 8 guys trying to kill him and he'll do much better... Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by aztecbo on Aug 19, 2012 6:32:45 GMT -8
I remember watching Ronnie Hillman at the scrimmage a couple of years ago and thinking he looked slow. Everybody looks slow and little and confused at this time of year. It's amazing how much quicker and energetic they will look in 2 weeks. I can hardly wait to head north.
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Post by aztecgold on Aug 19, 2012 9:25:01 GMT -8
I thought Butler and Lockett looked very good. Butler also made a great block on one running play. All the TE's looked great. The good news is the WR's got deep several times. The bad news is the WR's got deep several times. That is the problem when you are playing an intra-squad game against your own team. Some one is going to look good and someone is going to look bad.
The QB's looked average at best. Those people who think we are not going to miss Lindley are mistaken. The new QB's all have problems on the deep throws which were Lindley's forte. Katz definitely looked like the best QB and should do ok. I disagree on Morin, I liked the freshmen left-handed QB. He seemed to have a strong arm and was accurate on medium range passes and can run the ball. He has potential and may be competing for the job next season. His WR's dropped 4 passes though and he did fumble on his keeper. He definitely looked better than the 3rd string QB who threw a duck and an awful interception on his two passes.
Kazee did not play at all and Muema had just a few carries. Hardwick looked pretty good at times.
The OL struggled giving up 12 sacks, but the defense did not really dominate giving up some big plays at times at least in the 1st half. Worrisome. Fely had a great day with some sacks and an interception. Kazee's little brother, the freshmen DB, had a great hit on a RB that caused a fumble. He looks like a hitter.
Hard to tell but they may be right, that we are going to miss Lindley and HIllman.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 19, 2012 9:28:05 GMT -8
Not the fuster cluck rummage sale, the actual fooseball - didn't see a thread on it so here goes: QBs - Katz made a couple nice throws, namely a deep out to I think sandifer that I seem to recall against a 2 level zone as he fit it in nicely over the guy in the flat and under the corner on deep third , 2nd or 3rd drive he made some nice throws and decisions. Way too many swing passes and Butler was on the other squad most if not all of the game so hard to really judge, he was late on some throws and high on most of his throws when pressured. He also was late on making some throws like a bomb to lockett and on a scramble to the corner of the endzone where by the time he realized what he had the receiver was going to be at the back of the endzone with corner and safety there. His arm is college level, but it's a huge step down from Lindley - he made the deep out throw, but there was not much zip on it, not sure he can make that throw consistently. He should be more than serviceable for us this year, if he gets the timing and recognition down, he'll have a nice year Dingwell - he started by just throwing it as far as he could down the sideline first two passes. He then made some realistic throws he can make and was pretty efficient first few drives, hit butler on a crossing route for a td after hitting the te up the seem for a nice 3rd down conversion, think it was heweit or maybe shields. He also made some poor decisions, threw an awful pic. Not a bad performance overall, he's a capable backup, a year of seasoning he could take over the team next year Morin and the 3rds vs 3rds- I thought the 3rd vs 3rd was just really bad, awful, horrid football and Morin was no better or worse than the rest of the young guys - it looked like what these things used to look like with Craft and Chucky, but at least these guys were mostly freshman. I watched Flores for a little bit and he had a good drop and footwork, handled a spin move really well, kept his base and then one of the other new ol, name escapes me, (think it was paul rodriguez) punished the guy for trying a spin move. Both need to grow into the position, but looked decent when I focused on them because the rest of it was so awful. Otherwise, 3rd team was terrible with bad turnovers Morin on either a broken play or a naked bootleg got lit up, let's all just forget that 'halftime happened' RBS: Hardwick had some nice patient runs, price is quick, had some decent runs, muema fell down or got stuffed a couple times They basically refused to run the ball during much of the scrimmage so hard to take much away besides I liked the way Hardwick ran - not just the yardage, the way. No Walter WRs: This offense really needs Denso or Vizzi (who had a td catch in a shallow crossing route) to be on the field - Butler and locket are deep threats, someone needs to operate in space other than Escobar or Shields or Hewitt Locket cut a little swing pass with a crack back, turned the corner and was gone - good to see. Katz threw a pretty bomb down the middle to him and he only got a hand on it, in a game you'd like to see him lay out for it. Katz or Dingwell (pretty sure Katz) was late on him being wide open down the middle going the other way in the 3rd quarter, Lockett slowed down then couldn't get back up to catch it - he's surely still working on hauling in some of those bombs, but it was more qb than him the first time Sandifier had some decent catches, Ruffin didn't do much was thrown at a couple of times that were awful passes, I seem to recall him not making a play he should have made but forget. I thought Heweit looked good, but just pulled up the stats and they have him with no catches and shields with 4, maybe a mix up there or with me, but 89 looked good to me Punting or I Think Rocky is right and we shouldn't do this if 77 has to punt. McMorrow has a big leg, but seemed to tire a bit and the distance went down. 77 was a shank machine, with that number maybe he'll provide tackle depth. McMorrow and 40 something both had big legs (not sure why they set up to have them kick at the scissor jack) on field goals - we'll see when games and rushers are coming. D-line - Meredith played well, if he stays healthy he's going to be a big piece, there is some good talent across the line liek I've been saying, watched them doing drills and good pop and intensity - they are going to leave some stick marks. Kottman looks really undersized and was horse collared during the reach block and make a tackle drill - he needs to play outside backer and/or redshirt O-line - got eaten up at times, hard really to tell at this point, I was more interested in the pass timing and there were not a lot of runs so guys were just in sprinter stances teeing off at the qb. The holes were there at times, and what Hardwick did that impressed me was he let the blocks set up, got to the hole and exploded through them It was the midterm scrimmage and it was all over the place - 1st team D got beat around at times and 1st team O looked bad at times, but Katz was butler-less and the D, who knows why they didn't look that sharp at times. They all got a lot of work in with both squads going and the 3rd stringers being the half time. In short: they looked like a D1a football team (unlike the craft/chuck years) and they have a lot to work on the next 2 weeks, but we should be no worse than the last 2 years. This is really a good report Monty. Great observations. Thanks for the hard work.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 19, 2012 9:41:43 GMT -8
I thought Butler and Lockett looked very good. Butler also made a great block on one running play. All the TE's looked great. The good news is the WR's got deep several times. The bad news is the WR's got deep several times. That is the problem when you are playing an intra-squad game against your own team. Some one is going to look good and someone is going to look bad. The QB's looked average at best. Those people who think we are not going to miss Lindley are mistaken. The new QB's all have problems on the deep throws which were Lindley's forte. Katz definitely looked like the best QB and should do ok. I disagree on Morin, I liked the freshmen left-handed QB. He seemed to have a strong arm and was accurate on medium range passes and can run the ball. He has potential and may be competing for the job next season. His WR's dropped 4 passes though and he did fumble on his keeper. He definitely looked better than the 3rd string QB who threw a duck and an awful interception on his two passes. Kazee did not play at all and Muema had just a few carries. Hardwick looked pretty good at times. The OL struggled giving up 12 sacks, but the defense did not really dominate giving up some big plays at times at least in the 1st half. Worrisome. Fely had a great day with some sacks and an interception. Kazee's little brother, the freshmen DB, had a great hit on a RB that caused a fumble. He looks like a hitter. Hard to tell but they may be right, that we are going to miss Lindley and HIllman. Yea, Lindley could throw the deep ball, but was inconsistent on the short to mid throws, unlike Katz. Pick your poison, but I'm looking forward to having a guy that can keep the chains moving with his arms and legs. A guy that can sustain long drives, eat up the clock, and give our defense a rest.
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Post by k5james on Aug 19, 2012 9:50:56 GMT -8
Thanks for the report Monty. Exactly what I was looking for.
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Post by RockNFish on Aug 19, 2012 9:56:20 GMT -8
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Post by aztech on Aug 19, 2012 10:30:37 GMT -8
Very nice observation by Monty. Is there going to be another open scrimmage next week to compare? It sounds to me like they have a long way to go to get game ready. Not an overhaul, but a major tweaking.
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Post by mojo on Aug 19, 2012 10:38:43 GMT -8
Felt pretty good with QB, TE, and RB's. Still have the same problems with WR's from last year. Unless the ball is thrown perfect they aren't catching them. The only positive was Lockett looked more comfortable as a WR and butler has good hands but no separation speed. Special team=> Well we now know why we are going for it on 4th down. Boy #77 shanked several punts. The other punter wasn't any better. The defense looked like it needs alot more work! They looked like the first half defense.... Yeah but those were unrushed scrimmage punts. Put him in a position with 8 guys trying to kill him and he'll do much better... Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards That was great!
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Post by mojo on Aug 19, 2012 10:49:26 GMT -8
[quote author=aztecgold board=ats thread=24398 post=416481 . I disagree on Morin, I liked the freshmen left-handed QB. He seemed to have a strong arm and was accurate on medium range passes and can run the ball. He has potential and may be competing for the job next season. His WR's dropped 4 passes though and he did fumble on his keeper. He definitely looked better than the 3rd string QB who threw a duck and an awful interception on his two passes. y and HIllman. [/quote]
I agree w/ this. Morin's passes that were dropped were perfectly thrown. Maybe the receivers were caught off w/ the left handed spin of the ball, but they should still catch it! Morin did seem composed in the pocket, has good size, runs well and very accurate on his throws. I, too, thought he looked better than Bernards. I think the thought was that Morin would make a good DB if he doesn't make QB. I hope they don't move too soon. He could definitely be in the mix at QB.
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Post by sdsuballer on Aug 19, 2012 11:05:42 GMT -8
I thought Butler and Lockett looked very good. Butler also made a great block on one running play. All the TE's looked great. The good news is the WR's got deep several times. The bad news is the WR's got deep several times. That is the problem when you are playing an intra-squad game against your own team. Some one is going to look good and someone is going to look bad. The QB's looked average at best. Those people who think we are not going to miss Lindley are mistaken. The new QB's all have problems on the deep throws which were Lindley's forte. Katz definitely looked like the best QB and should do ok. I disagree on Morin, I liked the freshmen left-handed QB. He seemed to have a strong arm and was accurate on medium range passes and can run the ball. He has potential and may be competing for the job next season. His WR's dropped 4 passes though and he did fumble on his keeper. He definitely looked better than the 3rd string QB who threw a duck and an awful interception on his two passes. Kazee did not play at all and Muema had just a few carries. Hardwick looked pretty good at times. The OL struggled giving up 12 sacks, but the defense did not really dominate giving up some big plays at times at least in the 1st half. Worrisome. Fely had a great day with some sacks and an interception. Kazee's little brother, the freshmen DB, had a great hit on a RB that caused a fumble. He looks like a hitter. Hard to tell but they may be right, that we are going to miss Lindley and HIllman. Yea, Lindley could throw the deep ball, but was inconsistent on the short to mid throws, unlike Katz. Pick your poison, but I'm looking forward to having a guy that can keep the chains moving with his arms and legs. A guy that can sustain long drives, eat up the clock, and give our defense a rest. I do agree. Katz is an more of an accurate passer as opposed to lindley. I think Katz reads the field better and is more mobile as oppose to lindley. The only thing lindley had over katz is game experience, leadership, and arm that sometimes got him in trouble. Still remember the Utah game were we were moving the ball and Lindsey through a bomb to the endzone that got intercepted. Example: The bubble screen thrown yesterday to locket, Lindley had problems throwing that pass. Like the previous poster noted, pick your poison.
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Post by lovedaaztecs on Aug 19, 2012 11:18:28 GMT -8
Watching the tape you would think the offense beat up on the D. But it was the other way around. The defense looked good. Fely was all over the place. Had 4-5 tackles and i believe 5 sacks. The best looming defender of the day was Eric Pinkins. He was every where, big hits good coverage. And he was going against the 1's. Funny format 1 O against 2 D, and 2 O angainst 1 D. And Driver who was moved to 3 Mike ran all day with the 2. Did a good job playing but seemed to be a general on the field positioning players, grabbing players after plays a.d explaining what they did wrong. See how his playing time ends here, but i bet he is coaching at SDSU at some point. Also 22 on D (forgot) his name looked good, way flying up to make tackles. Even though the 1 O scored 3 times on the 2 D. The D made them earn it. So the offense had it moments, the defense had many more. 4 picks, 12 sacks apx( to many to count). But playing one hand touch on the QB helped that total. Just dont let the highlight tape fool you we still have some improvement to do.
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Aug 19, 2012 11:45:23 GMT -8
What's the story with Jeffries at QB? He came in pretty highly recruited.
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Post by aztecgold on Aug 19, 2012 12:33:36 GMT -8
Yea, Lindley could throw the deep ball, but was inconsistent on the short to mid throws, unlike Katz. Pick your poison, but I'm looking forward to having a guy that can keep the chains moving with his arms and legs. A guy that can sustain long drives, eat up the clock, and give our defense a rest. I do agree. Katz is an more of an accurate passer as opposed to lindley. I think Katz reads the field better and is more mobile as oppose to lindley. The only thing lindley had over katz is game experience, leadership, and arm that sometimes got him in trouble. Still remember the Utah game were we were moving the ball and Lindsey through a bomb to the endzone that got intercepted. Example: The bubble screen thrown yesterday to locket, Lindley had problems throwing that pass. Like the previous poster noted, pick your poison. I was not a big Lindley fan and he never really developed the way he could have, but I don't think Katz is better than he was. However, Katz may be more consistent. Lindley had great days and horrible days. I believe Katz was a starter at Oregon State for over 2 years. And the refs blew the whistle very quickly on the sacks. On some of them Katz may have gotten away for gain or a pass. The refs needed to blow the whistle sooner on some of the running plays. Anyone know how Escobar and the guard who got injured are today?
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