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Post by patentagent on Aug 8, 2012 0:54:42 GMT -8
I wish the co-eds were that easy. They're not?
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Post by Spud on Aug 8, 2012 6:24:33 GMT -8
I watched guys in my fraternity that had no business graduating high school, much less college, get degrees...made me wonder what the value of my degree truly was.
Fortunately, college is much more than reading books and taking tests. SDSU taught me how to fight through a bureaucracy, be a more critical thinker, solve real world problems and drink too much.
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Post by k5james on Aug 8, 2012 6:41:55 GMT -8
I watched guys in my fraternity that had no business graduating high school, much less college, get degrees...made me wonder what the value of my degree truly was. Fortunately, college is much more than reading books and taking tests. SDSU taught me how to fight through a bureaucracy, be a more critical thinker, solve real world problems and drink too much. I can vouch for this, I don't know about the rest of it though...
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Post by bitteraztec on Aug 8, 2012 7:03:13 GMT -8
Although I would prefer not to be on this list, I don't have a problem with it. They consider SDSU a top 10% school. And we are considered at the bottom of that band. It is in line with where US News ranks us as a Tier 1 University.
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Post by The Oracle on Aug 8, 2012 7:08:03 GMT -8
The Oracle took a GE writing class. The professor had the students read out loud from a book. It felt like grade school. The worst part was that some students had trouble reading.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Aug 8, 2012 8:07:55 GMT -8
The Oracle took a GE writing class. The professor had the students read out loud from a book. It felt like grade school. The worst part was that some students had trouble reading. I've seen both sides of Azcademics. I was one of a handful of undergrads (six?) selected to teach a 1-unit pass/fail geometry workshop for kids who's math skills were a Giant Bowl of Suck. The workshop represented their last chance to hold on to some slim hope of graduation, though I never understood how the hell some of these kids got into the university with the math acumen of a 7th-grader in the first place. On the flip side, I graduated on the Dean's List with a degree in mathematics. And on more than one occasion in the years since, I've been seated alongside individuals on long haul flights who had previously attended symposiums at which one of my math profs had been a keynote speaker. Go ahead and try to bust out a 2-page proof of a Laplace transform sometime. 5th-easiest anything my white hairy ass. They consider SDSU a top 10% school. And we are considered at the bottom of that band. It is in line with where US News ranks us as a Tier 1 University. ^This. It's interesting to see that we have the lowest acceptance rate beneath the #55-ranked university (Pepperdine). I would expect to see SDSU's academic ranking continue to rise in the future.
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Post by bitteraztec on Aug 8, 2012 8:14:34 GMT -8
In the past, idiots were admitted to SDSU. They either dropped out by year two, or somehow managed to find a path of least resistance to a degree. The top half of SDSU grads were always solid. The rest gave the school a bad name.
It appears that this is not the case for the current students at SDSU.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 8, 2012 10:07:52 GMT -8
Like others said, this is a good thing. So what if we're the little runts at the big boy table? The fact is, we're finally at the big boy table. That's awesome.
As for easy: I smoked bong hits between classes that's why I'd never schedule two of them back-to-back. I went to class high, took the tests high and I got high scores! :-)
I received mostly A's and B's en route to a decent GPA without much effort at all. The exams were cake, I always turned in first drafts and in every single undergraduate course you did not have to read the book to do well. Actually, my last 2 years at SDSU the only books I bought were for classes that required work books. Then again, my BS was in Journalism so it's not like it would be difficult at any school.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 8, 2012 10:08:23 GMT -8
In the past, idiots were admitted to SDSU. They either dropped out by year two, or somehow managed to find a path of least resistance to a degree. The top half of SDSU grads were always solid. The rest gave the school a bad name. It appears that this is not the case for the current students at SDSU. I represent the bottom half :-)
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Post by Spud on Aug 8, 2012 10:57:59 GMT -8
I watched guys in my fraternity that had no business graduating high school, much less college, get degrees...made me wonder what the value of my degree truly was. Fortunately, college is much more than reading books and taking tests. SDSU taught me how to fight through a bureaucracy, be a more critical thinker, solve real world problems and drink too much. I can vouch for this, I don't know about the rest of it though... LOL! I'm not the one blowing up the custom beer pong table at the tailgate!! HAHA!
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Post by aztech on Aug 8, 2012 11:16:43 GMT -8
Newsweek's August 13 & 20 issue ranks SDSU 5th easiest of 200 colleges. Newsweek.com/colleges. Must have changed since I went there. Doesn't that apply to all the CSU campuses? We all have the same admittance requirements, but SDSU has to be more selective because of being so highly impacted. So of those admitted the quality of competition in the classroom doesn't reflect the lower entrance requirements. Even if Newsweek didn't consider this, being 5th of only 200 is in pretty good company. JMO
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Post by aztech on Aug 8, 2012 11:39:20 GMT -8
I watched guys in my fraternity that had no business graduating high school, much less college, get degrees...made me wonder what the value of my degree truly was. Fortunately, college is much more than reading books and taking tests. SDSU taught me how to fight through a bureaucracy, be a more critical thinker, solve real world problems and drink too much. A lot of cheating goes on and it used to be only reserved for people with connections, political or otherwise. But with todays technology I'm sure it goes on everywhere and has gotten easier. The trouble is no one seems to know how extensive it is. I'm sure a lot of us have run into people who give us doubt they even graduated, and worse yet from the institutions they claim to have graduated from.
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Post by Spud on Aug 8, 2012 12:41:32 GMT -8
I watched guys in my fraternity that had no business graduating high school, much less college, get degrees...made me wonder what the value of my degree truly was. Fortunately, college is much more than reading books and taking tests. SDSU taught me how to fight through a bureaucracy, be a more critical thinker, solve real world problems and drink too much. A lot of cheating goes on and it used to be only reserved for people with connections, political or otherwise. But with todays technology I'm sure it goes on everywhere and has gotten easier. The trouble is no one seems to know how extensive it is. I'm sure a lot of us have run into people who give us doubt they even graduated, and worse yet from the institutions they claim to have graduated from. I don't think cheating was the issue with these guys...more like apathetic professors who gave out passing grades rather than dealing with poor grades...I often wondered if professors performance evals were based on passing rates.
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Post by aztecs76 on Aug 8, 2012 12:51:11 GMT -8
Is there a link to this article? I briefly searched Newsweek and I wan not able to find it.....just curious!
Thx
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Aug 8, 2012 13:12:48 GMT -8
Is there a link to this article? I briefly searched Newsweek and I wan not able to find it.....just curious! Thx Please allow me to give you a hand: click.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Aug 8, 2012 13:28:48 GMT -8
My only rub in an article in which we are discussed in such a complimentary context* is the shiddy photograph they used in the slide photo of the campus. THIS would have been a far better shot to use IMO. * "To assess the rigor of the curriculum at some of the nation’s top colleges, we first whittled an initial list of nearly 2,000 accredited 4-year colleges and found the top 200 most selective according to the percentage of applicants admitted and the median SAT/ACT score for accepted students." ETA: They state, "For the final ranking, the degree of selectivity, workload score, and faculty ratio were each weighted a third." According to the same site that provided the "manageable workload" metric, we're the 142nd-most selective (in the top 8.5%) of the 1,658 universities they rank. After poking around the rankings some more, it seems the only reason we ranked as the 5th-"least rigorous" (of the top 200) was due to our high student-to-faculty ratio (avg. 27 students per faculty member). Our workload score (1-10, less is better) is 6.7, which is better than everyone on the list other than CalPoly (6.7) and the Honeybadgers (6.6). Hell, it's damn near as good as several of the " Most Rigorous" schools on the list (Duke is 6.5 and Northwestern is 6.4). (Fun Fact: By contrast, UNLV has an index score of 9.2)
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 8, 2012 15:05:06 GMT -8
The Oracle took a GE writing class. The professor had the students read out loud from a book. It felt like grade school. The worst part was that some students had trouble reading. I've seen both sides of Azcademics. I was one of a handful of undergrads (six?) selected to teach a 1-unit pass/fail geometry workshop for kids who's math skills were a Giant Bowl of Suck. The workshop represented their last chance to hold on to some slim hope of graduation, though I never understood how the hell some of these kids got into the university with the math acumen of a 7th-grader in the first place. On the flip side, I graduated on the Dean's List with a degree in mathematics. And on more than one occasion in the years since, I've been seated alongside individuals on long haul flights who had previously attended symposiums at which one of my math profs had been a keynote speaker. Go ahead and try to bust out a 2-page proof of a Laplace transform sometime. 5th-easiest anything my white hairy ass. They consider SDSU a top 10% school. And we are considered at the bottom of that band. It is in line with where US News ranks us as a Tier 1 University. ^This. It's interesting to see that we have the lowest acceptance rate beneath the #55-ranked university (Pepperdine). I would expect to see SDSU's academic ranking continue to rise in the future. I, too, noticed that our acceptance rate (30%) was the lowest among the supposedly easiest schools. Ours was a lot lower than some of the schools on the 25 most rigorous list, as well. Something tells me this survey is largely bogus. AzWm
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 15:10:05 GMT -8
I've seen both sides of Azcademics. I was one of a handful of undergrads (six?) selected to teach a 1-unit pass/fail geometry workshop for kids who's math skills were a Giant Bowl of Suck. The workshop represented their last chance to hold on to some slim hope of graduation, though I never understood how the hell some of these kids got into the university with the math acumen of a 7th-grader in the first place. On the flip side, I graduated on the Dean's List with a degree in mathematics. And on more than one occasion in the years since, I've been seated alongside individuals on long haul flights who had previously attended symposiums at which one of my math profs had been a keynote speaker. Go ahead and try to bust out a 2-page proof of a Laplace transform sometime. 5th-easiest anything my white hairy ass. ^This. It's interesting to see that we have the lowest acceptance rate beneath the #55-ranked university (Pepperdine). I would expect to see SDSU's academic ranking continue to rise in the future. I, too, noticed that our acceptance rate (30%) was the lowest among the supposedly easiest schools. Ours was a lot lower than some of the schools on the 25 most rigorous list, as well. Something tells me this survey is largely bogus. AzWm But how would you really know? You graduated from an easy school.
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Post by mfpaul on Aug 8, 2012 15:28:41 GMT -8
I had a friend who went to another university. He was a TA for a professor. the professor received a packed of materials from one of the publications to rank different schools. the professor asked the TA to fill out the paperwork because he didn't have time.
I recall another incident where a university had a program ranked in the top 10 for some program and the school didn't even offer that program to the students.
about 15 years ago or so, Duke boosters were upset that their school wasn't ranked more highly. so they invested in a marketing campaign to improve their image. nothing else really changed at the university. staff was more or less the same. the curriculum was more or less the same. yet they jumped from a top 20 school to a top 10 in one year. why? marketing. no other reason.
the rankings are somewhat meaningless.
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Post by bitteraztec on Aug 8, 2012 15:31:52 GMT -8
My only rub in an article in which we are discussed in such a complimentary context* is the shiddy photograph they used in the slide photo of the campus. THIS would have been a far better shot to use IMO. * "To assess the rigor of the curriculum at some of the nation’s top colleges, we first whittled an initial list of nearly 2,000 accredited 4-year colleges and found the top 200 most selective according to the percentage of applicants admitted and the median SAT/ACT score for accepted students." ETA: They state, "For the final ranking, the degree of selectivity, workload score, and faculty ratio were each weighted a third." According to the same site that provided the "manageable workload" metric, we're the 142nd-most selective (in the top 8.5%) of the 1,658 universities they rank. After poking around the rankings some more, it seems the only reason we ranked as the 5th-"least rigorous" (of the top 200) was due to our high student-to-faculty ratio (avg. 27 students per faculty member). Our workload score (1-10, less is better) is 6.7, which is better than everyone on the list other than CalPoly (6.7) and the Honeybadgers (6.6). Hell, it's damn near as good as several of the " Most Rigorous" schools on the list (Duke is 6.5 and Northwestern is 6.4). (Fun Fact: By contrast, UNLV has an index score of 9.2) So do I have to apologize to all of those old idiots that I may have offended?
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