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Post by AztecSports95 on Aug 1, 2012 8:01:39 GMT -8
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 1, 2012 9:16:05 GMT -8
AZ should be the favorite in that game. They have the #1 recruiting class, and a damn good lead guard transferring in. SDSU is still heavily underrated. That will change after we beat AZ, Syracuse, and UCLA in preseason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2012 9:39:01 GMT -8
Gotta win 2 of those 3 without any big slipups to remain in the top 15-20 all year. Win all 3 and at least split with UNLV - easily top 10 all season long. AZ should be the favorite in that game. They have the #1 recruiting class, and a damn good lead guard transferring in. SDSU is still heavily underrated. That will change after we beat AZ, Syracuse, and UCLA in preseason. |
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Aug 1, 2012 11:44:23 GMT -8
We will win some and lose some. Half the team is new and need to learn Fisher's defense.
It is not about the record.
It is not about the beginning of the season
It IS about the last game.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 1, 2012 11:50:57 GMT -8
LOL @ some of the zonie comments
Don't they realize their Pac 12 rears have been MWC property the last two years?
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 1, 2012 11:53:41 GMT -8
We will win some and lose some. Half the team is new and need to learn Fisher's defense. It is not about the record. It is not about the beginning of the season It IS about the last game. It's kind of about all of those things |
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Aug 1, 2012 12:16:13 GMT -8
It is not about the beginning of the season With the way the OOC schedule is set up this season, it kind of is. And that is what has me worried. |
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Post by Hank on Aug 1, 2012 12:54:22 GMT -8
This is pretty intense lol CatsTopPac
Hahaha, if you want to take it back to '88, we certainly can. I didn't, but I can definitely oblige. I never mentioned that the history of AZ will help them win. As a matter of fact, SDSU fans seem to think that the last three years of SDSU success against the Pac will whisk them through another year, in which it will not. AZ, and UCLA are completely different teams than they were a year ago, or two years ago, or three years ago. Every year is fresh, especially when considering that AZ has kept a large portion of their talent from last year, which has continued to develop, and had landed a recruiting class, which won't simply tip the scales, but will go far to plug some major hole that got us last year. We added over 14 inches in height to our frontcourt. That's almost a 5 inch increase per player down low from a year ago. How can you even bring up last year when we are so much bigger? We have gotten recruits and transfers just like you have. The same holds true for UCLA. Scouts rated your recruits, just like they rated ours. We got a 5th year senior transfer with 3 Sweet 16s under his belt. That is called experience. We have 4 guys on our team with Elite Eight experience. It's not to intimidate, it's to know how to win in big games when we have the team to do so, because the players have done it before. I can't expect SDSU to understand.
My only reason for bringing stats and history into the mix, was because SDSU fans are hanging their hats on a bit of recent success against only a single power conference in the regular season. This doesn't even hold weight, because it is taking a small sample to measure, in which the success has been more a product of a down Pac during the regular season, than a dramatically surging SDSU. This is proved by the lack of tourney success, despite being "the best program in the West the last two+ years". While this might be true against other teams regionally, and only during the regular season, most teams rate their success (regionally, and nationally) by tourney wins in March. According to this measurable standard, AZ is still superior to SDSU (over the last two+ years). Like I said, it's also a fact that ASU beat us 5 of 6 times a few years ago, although we still went to the Sweet 16 one of those years. Now, would ASU be "a better program", or did they just match up better during those games? I think the March success is what we are all after, therefore, it should be the mark of success.
And finally, the history lesson is specifically aimed toward SDSU fans who wrote that SDSU>errbody else, that SDSU is nationally known and AZ isn't even on the map, that SDSU puts players in the league, that MWC>Pac, that AZ aint got nothin, that SDSU has more tourney wins than AZ in the last two years, and on, and on, and on. Fans are claiming to have stomped us last year, and that it should automatically carry into this year. But you beat us by 4! And our center was 6'7", FIVE inches shorter than our center this year. You beat us the last two meetings, absolutely true, but you haven't beaten us in a year when we went to the tourney, which was 26 of the last 28 years. So you just want to focus on those two years, and claim that you are a better program because of it??? How narrow-minded can you get? How can you say that you are a better program than us, even in the last two years, when two years ago, we made it farther in the tourney, and won more tourney games THAN YOU EVER HAVE IN YOU ENTIRE PROGRAM'S HISTORY? And how can MWC be better than the Pac for the last two+ years when the Pac has had 9 wins in the tourney in that period by FIVE different teams, when the MWC has only had 4 wins by TWO different teams in that period? You have beaten us in the regular season, but banners are hung by what happens in March. Almost HALF of the Pac 12 has won in March, while only a QUARTER of the MWC has done the same. The Pac has an Elite Eight in the last two+ years, while the MWC only has a Sweet 16.
We won 30 games two years ago (for the fourth decade in a row, but that's bringing '88- into it), stomped the defending national champs, and were within a missed basket from beating the eventual national champs and going to another Final Four. How can you say you're a better program, when you have no idea what that feels like? I so happen to be wearing the Elite Eight shirt from two years ago, you have no idea what that feels like. We have the #3 recruiting class coming in next year, you have no idea what that feels like. So you think that because you beat us the last two meetings, that you have a better program than us? So what? Seattle Pacific beat us last year in McKale, do they now have a better program than us right now? If we beat you this year, let's say we go to the tourney and make it farther than you (again), are you still going to say that you are better because you beat us 2 of the last 3 meetings? New Mexico beat you in your last two meetings, are they a better program than you? Of course not, it makes absolutely zero sense. I wouldn't have to keep giving you history lessons, if you understood that there is more in the wide world of college basketball to determine the success of a program vis a vis another, rather than just looking at the last two meetings during the regular season, and simply claiming victory. You were better than us last year, and you were better than us in 2010. That is it, two TEAMS that were better, and that is not in any way a reflections of a PROGRAM. We are hands down a better program than you, always have been, and will continue to be in the foreseeable future, all facts you cannot argue with.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 1, 2012 13:00:35 GMT -8
The idiot said:
"And how can MWC be better than the Pac for the last two+ years when the Pac has had 9 wins in the tourney in that period by FIVE different teams, when the MWC has only had 4 wins by TWO different teams in that period?"
I wonder if someone simply answered head-to-head record.
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Aug 1, 2012 13:07:34 GMT -8
I wonder if someone simply answered head-to-head record. Regular season, of course. The MWC has done very well and the last 5 seasons have been a major improvement. Postseason is an entirely different story. Our conference has to be among the biggest underachievers in March. In the last 5 years, the Pac10/12 is 6-0 vs the MWC in postseason play. |
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 1, 2012 13:25:54 GMT -8
Yea he's kinda right about a lot of stuff
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 1, 2012 13:34:21 GMT -8
I wonder if someone simply answered head-to-head record. Regular season, of course. The MWC has done very well and the last 5 seasons have been a major improvement. Postseason is an entirely different story. Our conference has to be among the biggest underachievers in March. In the last 5 years, the Pac10/12 is 6-0 vs the MWC in postseason play. Yeah, that's bitten the MWC in the rear end. Overall, the MWC has the better head-to-head record. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 1, 2012 13:35:46 GMT -8
Yea he's kinda right about a lot of stuff He seems stuck like other U of A fans that they lost because their starting center was 6'7. They forget so was ours. They seem to think Green was our starter just because he is taller. |
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So what? Seattle Pacific beat us last year in McKale, do they now have a better program than us right now? If we beat you this year, let's say we go to the tourney and make it farther than you (again), are you still going to say that you are better because you beat us 2 of the last 3 meetings? New Mexico beat you in your last two meetings, are they a better program than you? Of course not, it makes absolutely zero sense. I wouldn't have to keep giving you history lessons, if you understood that there is more in the wide world of college basketball to determine the success of a program vis a vis another, rather than just looking at the last two meetings during the regular season, and simply claiming victory. You were better than us last year, and you were better than us in 2010. That is it, two TEAMS that were better, and that is not in any way a reflections of a PROGRAM. We are hands down a better program than you, always have been, and will continue to be in the foreseeable future, all facts you cannot argue with.