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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 4, 2012 22:45:22 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 5, 2012 16:59:05 GMT -8
Rather than the lost Tribe, in should have been the Lost and Shrinking Tribe. The pool of Healthcare providers can not shrink and not have as adverse effect on care as does the increased size of the pool of people covered. It just will not work at any price.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 5, 2012 18:10:19 GMT -8
Rather than the lost Tribe, in should have been the Lost and Shrinking Tribe. The pool of Healthcare providers can not shrink and not have as adverse effect on care as does the increased size of the pool of people covered. It just will not work at any price. ObamaCare is an overhaul of the health insurance system fashioned by people who are largely hostile to the idea of private insurance in the first place. Based on what I am hearing from doctors, it will not improve health care. It is not really designed to lower costs, either. My evaluation is that ObamaCare was almost totally an attempt to bring to fruition a long held Progressive goal to recreate the health care systems of Europe and elsewhere here in the U.S. Such a goal, I feel, stems largely from the nagging feeling on the Left that one cannot be a member in good standing of the Progressive movement unless one declares that the U.S. is embarrassingly retrograde and backward when compared to other nations, countries that have given the reins of power to an intellectually and morally superior elite. In other words, there is a longing to put into power an elite vanguard in this country. And - - - who would have guessed it ( :  - - - that elite just happens to resemble uncannily the very members of the Progressive movement that is calling for that change in leadership! There is simply not a drop (or should I say an ounce?) of humility on the Left. Never a self-examination including the key question:
Do we really know so much about what doctors and patients need that we should be ginning up close to 3000 pages of rules, regulations, taxes, penalties, boards and committees that will forever force those stakeholders to conform to what we, in our wisdom have decided is in their best interest? Without ever really trying to find out what those stakeholders (doctors and patients) think about the matter? And despite the fact that 85% of the citizens are already insured and are at least reasonably happy with their doctors?Here's what I think should have been done. The Obama administration, after lengthy consultation with the public, should have put forth a plan designed to increase the number of health care providers. What they actually did do was akin to pouring 10,000 gallons of water into a tank before determining the capacity of the tank and how much water it already contains. In this case, consider our already inadequate supply of health care providers to be the tank and the 30 million or so new insured persons to be the additional water poured into the tank. Let's say that our hypothetical tank holds 20,000 gallons and already contains 15,000 gallons. Try to pour 10,000 more into it and what happens? The overflow represents the patients who are going to get little or no care once the current system is overwhelmed by the new people coming into it. Wait, that's not really a good analogy for this reason. In the tank scenario, 5,000 gallons overflow and are lost. You still have 20,000 gallons. In reality, almost everyone will suffer from worse care under this new law. Well, not quite everyone. The legislators who voted for this bill and the Chief Executive who signed it into law will not have to live with the consequences. They have carved out a huge exception for themselves. Nice work if you can get it! Oh, yes, need I add that the very wealthy, that awful, filthy rich band of victimizers of the downtrodden, will always have enough resources to see to it that they and their kin will not, like the unwashed masses, have to wait in long lines to see an overworked doctors? Nor will the 87 year old grandmother of a super rich dude ever have to hear the words, " Too bad, Granny, you are nearly ninety and are not allowed to get that hip replacement. You will just have to use a wheel chair." What will happen if ObamaCare takes hold is that ALL U.S. patients (except the self-serving pols and the very rich) are going to get short shrift; longer and longer wait times to see doctors, government boards telling you that you are too old to get a knee replacement, significant reductions in medical innovations, etc., etc. ObamaCare will fail and fail miserably. I just hope that the public realizes this soon enough to fire the asses of those Democrats who voted for the monstrosity without every having read what they were signing. Representative government works well unless the representatives make terrible decisions. The decision to create ObamaCare was such a terrible decision. Dr. Frankenstein's creation was not this bad! AzWm |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 7, 2012 8:08:02 GMT -8
William, there is no chance you will get a coherent rebuttal. You just can not increase demand, decrease supply, and expect any kind of positive outcome.
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jul 7, 2012 9:57:32 GMT -8
Yes, my daughter is now going to sign up, for the fatherland, to go to medical school, spend $1,400,000 to get an M.D. so she can earn $14.50 per hour doing brain surgery.
The government couldn't figure out how to deliver mail and not spend us into oblivion and now this. Let's see, what is more complicated? Delivering a piece of paper from your house to your neighbor's house, or operating on the human body and mind? Fedex, UPS, DHL versus the U. S. Post Office. Doctors vs. government nobodies.
HAM Tax
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Post by tuff on Jul 7, 2012 11:56:06 GMT -8
Yes, my daughter is now going to sign up, for the fatherland, to go to medical school, spend $1,400,000 to get an M.D. so she can earn $14.50 per hour doing brain surgery. The government couldn't figure out how to deliver mail and not spend us into oblivion and now this. Let's see, what is more complicated? Delivering a piece of paper from your house to your neighbor's house, or operating on the human body and mind? Fedex, UPS, DHL versus the U. S. Post Office. Doctors vs. government nobodies. HAM Tax This was my position from the beginning. When the feds get the post office, medicare and social security in the black, then let em try healthcare. My doctor is livid with this whole govt. healthcare crap. He even hinted that he might take an early retirement rather than go thru all the bull$#!+ coming. It just ain't worth it. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 7, 2012 19:48:33 GMT -8
That is a funny article. Pay for performance is bad? That is not what conservatives say when it is about teachers. Why is it good for teachers, but bad for doctors?
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 8, 2012 6:58:17 GMT -8
That is a funny article. Pay for performance is bad? That is not what conservatives say when it is about teachers. Why is it good for teachers, but bad for doctors? You are obviously not good at reading comprehension. That was in reference to another article and was not advocating what you are implying. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 8, 2012 8:42:00 GMT -8
That is a funny article. Pay for performance is bad? That is not what conservatives say when it is about teachers. Why is it good for teachers, but bad for doctors? You are obviously not good at reading comprehension. That was in reference to another article and was not advocating what you are implying. Are under the impression that the author disagreed with the other article and that is why he referred to it in his piece? Or do you think he referred to it to buttress his own article? I think the second myself. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 8, 2012 12:18:07 GMT -8
You are obviously not good at reading comprehension. That was in reference to another article and was not advocating what you are implying. Are under the impression that the author disagreed with the other article and that is why he referred to it in his piece? Or do you think he referred to it to buttress his own article? I think the second myself. You must have a convoluted idea of what "pay for performance" is supposed to mean if you think that the writer is advocating processing a high volume of patients with no care about quality. If that is what you think, then you are even more wrong than I thought. Then again, it may be we are all getting wrapped around a semantically warped axle. |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jul 9, 2012 7:34:44 GMT -8
I have a small cough with some mucus, no fever, no headache, nothing in the nasal passages. I went in to urgent care and sat for one hour and 45 minutes. I was then given a 16 page form to fill out. It was Olympic. After three hours and fifteen minutes, I was led into a dark room with one table and one chair and was told that the doctor would see me soon. One hour later, a janitor came in with a mop and mopped the floor and left it wet with the "danger, wet floor" sign. Several times throughout this ordeal, I coughed up mucus only to have to swallow it back down. There was no sink and no waste basket. At hour five, a young woman who spoke broken English came in and told me that I had two broken "pincker" bones in my leg. We stared in silence at each other for, I'd say five minutes. She left without saying anything more. Finally, I couldn't take it and walked out. When I walked by the front counter, a different woman who greeted me when I entered said, "Do you want to pay by credit or debit?" I said I'd been there pushing six hours and hadn't seen one doctor. She said, "Oh, I am so sorry, Sweetie. Why don't you have a seat? I"ll call someone right now." I sat and she went into the back room. Fifteen minutes later, I sprinted out the front door, to my car, and high-tailed it to CVS to pay $45 for a watered-down non-prescription, over-the-counter, non-deductible, generic, bottle of placebos.
Now, how is osamatax going to help this improve?
HAM Tax
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jul 10, 2012 10:41:30 GMT -8
Okay, so here is how osamatax is going to solve this.
I get a letter from the U. S. Treasury, Internal Revenue Service that states that I must call within ten days of the date the letter was sent. The letter reads that the purpose is to examine my health care coverage and that failure to answer the letter within ten days will subject me to fines, penalties, interest and imprisonment. Once I get up enough nerve to make the call, I call. I talk to a person who sounds Romanian and has trouble pronouncing words clearly. I finally understand that I am to go to the IRS office on a work day at eight am. On the day of, I arrive on time and wait an hour before a large and round "person" leads me into a dark cubicle full of stacks of photocopies of blank forms. The "person" asks me how much I pay for health insurance and I say, zero. The "person" then types into a laptop for 45 minutes and then produces a $15,000 bill and tells me that I can make installment payments over five years.
I leave, get home, call the Social Security Administration and report that my social security number has been stolen and used by someone committing identity fraud. They issue me a new number and cancel the old one.
Okay. 'got it. This is how osamatax is going to help me.
HAM Tax
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- - - that elite just happens to resemble uncannily the very members of the Progressive movement that is calling for that change in leadership! 
