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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 26, 2010 11:31:05 GMT -8
Did Obama lie about ObamaCare, or was he just ignorant? Oh, that's right, I've asked that question before. Well, here is more bad news, especially (but not exclusively) for seniors. That means me and my wife, by the way, and possibly for some of you. Or your parents if you are younger. Here's the bad (yet predictable) news . . . reason.com/blog/2010/08/26/if-you-like-your-health-care-pAzWm PS: I've been wondering. Is there anyone on AztecMesa who is willing to defend ObamaCare? That would entail, among other things, answering the many specific charges made against it. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 26, 2010 12:06:26 GMT -8
Did Obama lie about ObamaCare, or was he just ignorant? Oh, that's right, I've asked that question before. Well, here is more bad news, especially (but not exclusively) for seniors. That means me and my wife, by the way, and possibly for some of you. Or your parents if you are younger. Here's the bad (yet predictable) news . . . reason.com/blog/2010/08/26/if-you-like-your-health-care-pAzWm PS: I've been wondering. Is there anyone on AztecMesa who is willing to defend ObamaCare? That would entail, among other things, answering the many specific charges made against it. William, I heard last night that Max Baucus, who was supposed to be one of the authors, claims he had not read the bill. Now that leads me to ask just who did author it? There is just no end to the bad news that comes up about this horrible bill. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 26, 2010 12:25:02 GMT -8
Yes, a good question. I've been wondering the same thing. My suspicion is that various sections were written by aides, hangers-on, outside collectivist fellow-travelers, etc. Each had his own anti-capitalist, pro statist axes to grind.
The sum total of this monstrosity is a huge law that creates something like 150 new agencies and committees charged with promulgating numberless rules and regulations. How anyone dedicated to preserving individual freedom could have voted for this mess is beyond me.
Notice that the Dems have basically given up trying to defend the new law. In one or two cases they have promised to "correct defects".
We will all deeply regret this law unless it undergoes major revision or, better yet, repeal. It there is any justice in America, and I am wondering whether there is, Barack Obama's name will become as odious and notorious because of this law as was Herbert Hoover's with respect to the Depression. Of course, Herbert Hoover had a long and productive career before and after his presidency. Can't say the same for Obama so far.
AzWm
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 26, 2010 12:58:50 GMT -8
William, you will never see repeal. It is here to stay. The question is can we get the idiots in congress to correct all of the thousands of defects they have built into this initial program.
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 26, 2010 18:42:29 GMT -8
William, you will never see repeal. It is here to stay. The question is can we get the idiots in congress to correct all of the thousands of defects they have built into this initial program. Hope you are wrong here Joe. We need quick repeal and then work on sensible piecemeal reform. Maybe start with a couple things that would have little credible opposition like identify and curb fraud. We could sreamline medical records pretty easy. After that you might start running into some head wind with tort reform. I am afraid that this is the real situation. xrl.us/bhxfpb |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 26, 2010 21:35:42 GMT -8
William, you will never see repeal. It is here to stay. The question is can we get the idiots in congress to correct all of the thousands of defects they have built into this initial program. Hope you are wrong here Joe. We need quick repeal and then work on sensible piecemeal reform. Maybe start with a couple things that would have little credible opposition like identify and curb fraud. We could sreamline medical records pretty easy. After that you might start running into some head wind with tort reform. I am afraid that this is the real situation. xrl.us/bhxfpbI read the list of possible GOP strategies and think they are all good ideas. But, honestly, this monstrosity, once in place, is going to be very, very hard to change. If Obama wins re-election in '12, the game is lost. You know, there is no rule of universal physics or philosophy that says a good idea, once put in place, can never be defeated by a bad idea. The good idea is the concept of personal liberty and limited government that inspired the U.S. Constitution. We've done pretty well with that concept for over two hundred years. ObamaCare is an outstanding example of a bad idea, a very, very bad idea, winning out over a better idea. (The better idea being thoughtful, incremental changes in our health insurance system supported generally by both parties and by the population as a whole.) Sadly, there has been a counter movement for three generations or more to replace the concept of individual rights and limited government with one that creates a super powerful government that decides what rights and privileges each citizen will be given. We may already be too late to save the kind of government that our ancestors fought and died for in the 18th Century. We now have pretty close to half the population that looks to the government as its protector and savior. When enough people believe that the government is the guarantor of goods and services, calls for a return to self-reliance will fall on deaf ears. I have absolutely no doubt that Barack Obama and his intellectual mentors and collaborators yearn for the day when this country no longer believes in the pursuit of happiness but instead in a system in which happiness is guaranteed by government. That system will fail, just as it has in all totalitarian states for the past hundred years, but so what? The system will be virtually impossible to change. I don't think that things will ever be so bad here as in North Korea, a totalitarian state in which a small minority lives in relative luxury while the vast majority of the population barely avoids starvation. No, it will never get that bad, but how close must it come to such an extreme before we realize that we have a ruling elite, the governmental class, whose main goal is to ensure that their privileges are not threatened. (Actually, that type of government is just a throwback to the days of monarchs and powerful nobles on top and a vast mass of peasants and slaves below.) Too many Americans have lost faith in themselves. Too many think they are incapable, on their own, of obtaining the necessities of life. What crybabies! As a refreshing contrast, think of the many thousands of refugees from Asia who have come to our shores since 1975. They had little or no ability to speak our language, came from a vastly different culture, but they were willing to learn and work. Work hard. And most have succeeded. Meanwhile, every time there is talk about raising college tuition, there is sure to an angry protest by college students outraged that a moments thought should have been given to cutting back on what they consider a fundamental right. A right paid for by somebody else, and it doesn't matter who that someone else is. I am not encouraged by what is happening in my country. AzWm |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 27, 2010 4:52:39 GMT -8
[ We may already be too late to save the kind of government that our ancestors fought and died for in the 18th Century. ... I have absolutely no doubt that Barack Obama and his intellectual mentors and collaborators yearn for the day when this country no longer believes in the pursuit of happiness but instead in a system in which happiness is guaranteed by government. That system will fail, just as it has in all totalitarian states for the past hundred years, but so what? The system will be virtually impossible to change. I don't think that things will ever be so bad here as in North Korea, a totalitarian state ... (Actually, that type of government is just a throwback to the days of monarchs and powerful nobles on top and a vast mass of peasants and slaves below.) Too many Americans have lost faith in themselves. Too many think they are incapable, on their own, of obtaining the necessities of life. What crybabies! As a refreshing contrast, think of the many thousands of refugees from Asia who have come to our shores since 1975. They had little or no ability to speak our language, came from a vastly different culture, but they were willing to learn and work. Work hard. And most have succeeded. Meanwhile, every time there is talk about raising college tuition, there is sure to an angry protest by college students outraged that a moments thought should have been given to cutting back on what they consider a fundamental right. A right paid for by somebody else, and it doesn't matter who that someone else is. I am not encouraged by what is happening in my country. AzWm Alas dear sir, I think thou art overly dramatic. I just paid $1000 co pay for surgery for my wife (rotator cuff) and $3000 for physical therapy, also copay. I am covered by medical insurance. The doctor now says she need surgery on the other shoulder. I expect this copay will be even more expensive for both the surgery and the physical therapy. For older retired people the medical costs are prohibitive even if we have insurance. Consider those who do not have medical insurance. There is tremendous inequality in this land. For the past two hundred years, adequate medical care was only available for the rich. In that regard, I guess I qualify. Lower middle class and below just learned how to deal with their infirmities and pain. That is wrong. If we are indeed a predominantly "Christian Country" AND if we are practitioners of that religion then we should be concerned with the plight of our fellow man. No man or woman should be allowed to wallow in pain in their elder years because we consider their manner of work to be unworthy of dignity. Manual labor is not paid well, and we all know it. We reward intellect in the workplace and effectively continually punish throughout life those who have not been born with it. That punishment takes the nefarious guise of lack of care for the less intelligent. Lack of proper medical care, lack of proper nutrition, lack of quality education for the kids of the less intelligent. Thus we perpetuate a blight on our society that adds to our tremendous national shame as viewed around the globe. SHAME! Medical care for the masses. Not just minimal care. Adequate care for all! We have taken a step in that direction and we need to complete the process. Socialized Medical care needs to be greatly expanded. The foot is in the door. Now, let's force it open like it always should be. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 27, 2010 10:31:41 GMT -8
Joe, this new health law will result in poorer health care, especially for those of us past 60. Basically, the administration promised two things: One, that everybody would not be covered by health insurance, and Two, that this new law would lower the cost of health care generally.
Both those promises will be impossible to keep. Furthermore, as is the case in all countries with government run or controlled health care, as costs go up the govt. will be forced into draconian rationing.
It's not a bright future ahead. Sadly, it didn't have to be that way.
AzWm
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 28, 2010 18:04:02 GMT -8
Joe, this new health law will result in poorer health care, especially for those of us past 60. Basically, the administration promised two things: One, that everybody would not be covered by health insurance, and Two, that this new law would lower the cost of health care generally. Both those promises will be impossible to keep. Furthermore, as is the case in all countries with government run or controlled health care, as costs go up the govt. will be forced into draconian rationing. It's not a bright future ahead. Sadly, it didn't have to be that way. AzWm I can not listen to you.. Remember, I am a damned Liberal. Remember, for Democrats, Money for all of this care is free. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 29, 2010 6:01:56 GMT -8
Joe, this new health law will result in poorer health care, especially for those of us past 60. Basically, the administration promised two things: One, that everybody would not be covered by health insurance, and Two, that this new law would lower the cost of health care generally. Both those promises will be impossible to keep. Furthermore, as is the case in all countries with government run or controlled health care, as costs go up the govt. will be forced into draconian rationing. It's not a bright future ahead. Sadly, it didn't have to be that way. AzWm I can not listen to you.. Remember, I am a damned Liberal. Remember, for Democrats, Money for all of this care is free. Joe, Are you related to that lady down in Florida who said she voted for Obama because he was going to fill her car with gas and buy her groceries? She didn't know where the money would come from but it was from Obama. www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI&feature=relatedCan you flesh out how this money is free without either inflation or taxation as a source or consequence? |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 29, 2010 6:45:29 GMT -8
Now, Win, do you see inflation? I don't. We are flirting with Deflation. Look at Japan. Proportionally their spending makes us look like non spenders. (Percent of GDP)
Japanese money keeps appreciating in value even with all of the spending. Their inflation has yet to be seen.
So, where is the link between spending outrageously and inflation? Could it be that the link does not exist.
Now, I know the answer to this, but I will not tell you. It all ties in to actual money in circulation versus Electronic money in circulation. (The reality is that most electronic money is parked somewhere, just like all of those electric cars with discharged batteries.)
The reality is that the deflation is more to be feared than inflation, especially people who are on pensions and/or social security.
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 29, 2010 6:50:51 GMT -8
Now, Win, do you see inflation? I don't. We are flirting with Deflation. Look at Japan. Proportionally their spending makes us look like non spenders. (Percent of GDP) Japanese money keeps appreciating in value even with all of the spending. Their inflation has yet to be seen. So, where is the link between spending outrageously and inflation? Could it be that the link does not exist. Now, I know the answer to this, but I will not tell you. It all ties in to actual money in circulation versus Electronic money in circulation. (The reality is that most electronic money is parked somewhere, just like all of those electric cars with discharged batteries.) The reality is that the deflation is more to be feared than inflation, especially people who are on pensions and/or social security. Joe, If you have deflation it would be good news for those on fixed income. Prices go down so the value of your pension goes up. It is bad news in general, but not as you say. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 29, 2010 9:23:56 GMT -8
Now, Win, do you see inflation? I don't. We are flirting with Deflation. Look at Japan. Proportionally their spending makes us look like non spenders. (Percent of GDP) Japanese money keeps appreciating in value even with all of the spending. Their inflation has yet to be seen. So, where is the link between spending outrageously and inflation? Could it be that the link does not exist. Now, I know the answer to this, but I will not tell you. It all ties in to actual money in circulation versus Electronic money in circulation. (The reality is that most electronic money is parked somewhere, just like all of those electric cars with discharged batteries.) The reality is that the deflation is more to be feared than inflation, especially people who are on pensions and/or social security. Joe, If you have deflation it would be good news for those on fixed income. Prices go down so the value of your pension goes up. It is bad news in general, but not as you say. If you pension is fixed it is OK, but Social Security is INDEXED for inflation. Consider somebody who has a fixed house payment (or fixed rent contract) who sees his SS payments decreased with the rate of deflation. That person may be able to pay for the living accomodation, but to do so they may have to eat the liver flavored dog food in a can. Most of the elderly tell me that if you close your eyes to what you are doing, it tastes just like Braunschweiger on bread. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 29, 2010 11:23:31 GMT -8
Joe, If you have deflation it would be good news for those on fixed income. Prices go down so the value of your pension goes up. It is bad news in general, but not as you say. If you pension is fixed it is OK, but Social Security is INDEXED for inflation. Consider somebody who has a fixed house payment (or fixed rent contract) who sees his SS payments decreased with the rate of deflation. That person may be able to pay for the living accomodation, but to do so they may have to eat the liver flavored dog food in a can. Most of the elderly tell me that if you close your eyes to what you are doing, it tastes just like Braunschweiger on bread. I see your point. Don't you think that most of any difference like that would be offset by the advantage in purchasing power for the rest of their expenditures? Don't you think that rents would be forced down in that environment? I sure hope and think that it will not happen since we would have another huge banking crises and considering how poorly we handled the last one, which was rather conventional. How would we fare in a deflationary environment? Even after your tutoring, Geitner is dumb as a box of rocks. They just would not figure out how to index and enforce. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 30, 2010 19:53:09 GMT -8
Maybe Geitner should be served some liver flavored dog food. Fry it and put it on toast with some lettuce and mayonnaise, and see what he thinks.
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