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Post by AztecBill on Jun 6, 2012 12:15:06 GMT -8
Should the Padres trade Carlos Quentin?
The only correct answer is: It depends on what they get. I think the Padres are now beyond getting minor leaguers that are not ready. Their system has plenty of those. They need to get two young MLB ready or MLB tested players who are above average. Or one of the same well above average.
Signing Carlos long term would be nice but that can be done after we trade him too. 2 months of a good hitter on a team that is out of it, is worth much less than his value to a contending team.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 6, 2012 12:19:12 GMT -8
Should the Padres trade Carlos Quentin? The only correct answer is: It depends on what they get. I think the Padres are now beyond getting minor leaguers that are not ready. Their system has plenty of those. They need to get two young MLB ready or MLB tested players who are above average. Or one of the same well above average. Signing Carlos long term would be nice but that can be done after we trade him too. 2 months of a good hitter on a team that is out of it, is worth much less than his value to a contending team. The Reds need a LF and they are getting tired of Latos. Wouldn't it be funny if the Padres traded Quentien to the Reds for Latos? We got Quentin for two minor league pitchers that weren't in our top 10. That is how deep our minors are.
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Post by k5james on Jun 6, 2012 12:20:14 GMT -8
We definitely need one or two guys that are ready NOW, in exchange for him. Like you said, the Farm is already deep with talent.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 6, 2012 12:27:47 GMT -8
Trade scenarios for Carlos Quentin I would love two guys like the every day players we got for Latos. Volquez and Grandal type trade would be golden. Say a young LF that Quentin would be replacing and a minor league on the verge of ready SS.
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 6, 2012 13:44:09 GMT -8
Should the Padres trade Carlos Quentin? No
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Jun 6, 2012 14:36:03 GMT -8
I'd love to see them sign him to a 2-3 year contract extension. Any longer than that wouldn't be a good idea as he's already 30 and likely will decline in the near future.
If they could get a solid, young "plug & play" starter and a hot prospect (the Volquez/Grandal scenario above), it would probably be in the best interest of the team, especially long term, as a 30 year old player, no matter how well he's hitting this year, is not what you're going to build the core of a team around.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 15:04:47 GMT -8
Should the Padres trade Carlos Quentin? The only correct answer is: It depends on what they get. I think the Padres are now beyond getting minor leaguers that are not ready. Their system has plenty of those. They need to get two young MLB ready or MLB tested players who are above average. Or one of the same well above average. Signing Carlos long term would be nice but that can be done after we trade him too. 2 months of a good hitter on a team that is out of it, is worth much less than his value to a contending team. The Reds need a LF and they are getting tired of Latos. Wouldn't it be funny if the Padres traded Quentien to the Reds for Latos? We got Quentin for two minor league pitchers that weren't in our top 10. That is how deep our minors are. Chicago's GM Ken Williams made it clear he was looking to cut some salary for 2012, that's one key reason the Padres got Quentin for two fringe prospects. He is getting $7M this season, and has been injured alot in his career (and again this year). Crediting the minors quality depth is rather debatable. The future is what concerns even the most loyal Sox fans, as indicated in attendance barely clearing 2 million last season. For the first time since Williams took over as GM, the Sox couldn't aim high in the offseason and saw staff ace Mark Buehrle, slugger Carlos Quentin and closer Sergio Santos leavearticles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-04/sports/ct-spt-0405-white-sox-preview-chicago--20120405_1_danks-and-gavin-floyd-williams-white-sox
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 15:05:48 GMT -8
We definitely need one or two guys that are ready NOW, in exchange for him. Like you said, the Farm is already deep with talent. I agree with you and Bill on this. If they move Quentin, move him for a major league ready player or two.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 6, 2012 15:12:12 GMT -8
Should the Padres trade Carlos Quentin? No No? No matter who someone offered?
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Post by mayham81 on Jun 7, 2012 7:14:28 GMT -8
I say no. Just like trading Adrian,we have yet to come close to replacing those big offensive shoes and so far our minor leagues havent been able to produce a consistent power bat.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 7, 2012 7:38:33 GMT -8
The Reds need a LF and they are getting tired of Latos. Wouldn't it be funny if the Padres traded Quentien to the Reds for Latos? We got Quentin for two minor league pitchers that weren't in our top 10. That is how deep our minors are. Chicago's GM Ken Williams made it clear he was looking to cut some salary for 2012, that's one key reason the Padres got Quentin for two fringe prospects. He is getting $7M this season, and has been injured alot in his career (and again this year). Crediting the minors quality depth is rather debatable. The future is what concerns even the most loyal Sox fans, as indicated in attendance barely clearing 2 million last season. For the first time since Williams took over as GM, the Sox couldn't aim high in the offseason and saw staff ace Mark Buehrle, slugger Carlos Quentin and closer Sergio Santos leavearticles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-04/sports/ct-spt-0405-white-sox-preview-chicago--20120405_1_danks-and-gavin-floyd-williams-white-soxThey still tried to get the best deal they could. The Padres have an excess of decent to good minor league prospects. S the Padres can part with players rated 15-20 in their minor league system when those players would be top 5 players in most other minor league systems.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 7:51:11 GMT -8
Absolutely. Trade him ASAP his stock will never be higher.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jun 7, 2012 14:19:28 GMT -8
Heck no! He is the only guy on the roster who rakes. The Padres have enough "prospects", they need some established hitters.
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 7, 2012 14:46:43 GMT -8
Heck no! He is the only guy on the roster who rakes. The Padres have enough "prospects", they need some established hitters. Exactly!
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Jun 7, 2012 15:01:14 GMT -8
Depends on what they could get back, there's no way he'll keep this type of production up plus the guy is injury prone. If we can get a great middle-infield prospect I would definitely consider it (say someone like Profar). If we can't get a great/pretty darn good deal then I saw try to re-sign him.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 7, 2012 18:15:55 GMT -8
I've come to the conclusion that while "building through the draft" is a noble notion, it's very time-consuming and the franchise doesn't have the time for it. If they want, they can build their bench through the draft in the hope that one or two of them will become starters. In the meantime, they gotta open the checkbook for at least two or three established (but not OLD) stars. The Padres minor leagues are now at a point where most MLB positions can, if an injury occurrs, be filled with players from the minors that at least won't be too far below average that you can't play them. Just 3 years ago when the Padres had an injury, they needed to look for help from the outside. The Padres are now in a position where they should require a young MLB ready player in return rather than a few minor leaguers with potential. If we trade Q, we need MLB ready player(s).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 18:29:03 GMT -8
We aren't going to (and shouldn't) re-sign him. Trade him. The season is lost and we can't (won't) resign him, get what you can for him.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jun 7, 2012 20:20:46 GMT -8
The Padres minor leagues are now at a point where most MLB positions can, if an injury occurrs, be filled with players from the minors that at least won't be too far below average that you can't play them. Just 3 years ago when the Padres had an injury, they needed to look for help from the outside. The Padres are now in a position where they should require a young MLB ready player in return rather than a few minor leaguers with potential. If we trade Q, we need MLB ready player(s). If they "won't be too far below average" then they must suck more than the current players (but not by much : . You do realize the Padres are 19-39?
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 8, 2012 12:49:28 GMT -8
The Padres minor leagues are now at a point where most MLB positions can, if an injury occurs, be filled with players from the minors that at least won't be too far below average that you can't play them. Just 3 years ago when the Padres had an injury, they needed to look for help from the outside. The Padres are now in a position where they should require a young MLB ready player in return rather than a few minor leaguers with potential. If we trade Q, we need MLB ready player(s). If they "won't be too far below average" then they must suck more than the current players (but not by much : . You do realize the Padres are 19-39? I do. Do you realize the Padres have had a very unusual number of injuries that has left them with a piece meal starting rotation when it would be one of the best in baseball. Even the pieces replacing the injured starters have been a problem. Bass in the rotation instead of the bullpen has hurt the Padres. They haven't had a decent long reliever. Wieland another decent replacement from the minors also in now on the DL. Eric Stults another replacement who was OK is now on the DL. The Padres should have a rotation of: Luebke 3.29 ERA last year (2.61 ERA this year) Stauffer 3.78 ERA last year (only 1 game this year). Moseley 3.30 ERA last year (no games this year). Volquez 3.42 ERA this year. Richard 4.58 ERA this year. (3.88 last year) That is a good starting rotation. Injuries have changed that to a very bad rotation.
An injury has also removed Carlos Quentin for most of the year.
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Post by Zuma on Jun 9, 2012 20:03:21 GMT -8
If they "won't be too far below average" then they must suck more than the current players (but not by much : . You do realize the Padres are 19-39? I do. Do you realize the Padres have had a very unusual number of injuries that has left them with a piece meal starting rotation when it would be one of the best in baseball. Even the pieces replacing the injured starters have been a problem. Bass in the rotation instead of the bullpen has hurt the Padres. They haven't had a decent long reliever. Wieland another decent replacement from the minors also in now on the DL. Eric Stults another replacement who was OK is now on the DL. The Padres should have a rotation of: Luebke 3.29 ERA last year (2.61 ERA this year) Stauffer 3.78 ERA last year (only 1 game this year). Moseley 3.30 ERA last year (no games this year). Volquez 3.42 ERA this year. Richard 4.58 ERA this year. (3.88 last year) That is a good starting rotation. Injuries have changed that to a very bad rotation.
An injury has also removed Carlos Quentin for most of the year. Once again Bill, you hide behind stats, and can't just see the fact... The Padres suck this year. Yankees have 8 players on the 60 day or out of season list...They are 33-25 playing against a tough division Red Sox have 7 on the 60 or more...They are 29-30 playing in same tough division Rays have 5 on these lists...They are 34-25 leading this tough division The Nationals have 6 on these lists...They are 34-23, the second best record in mlb Now lets look at what padres are out for extended time: Jason Bartlett - Can't start for the Padres - Can't start for any team Kyle Blanks - Would get more than PH duties and Sunday starts on the tiniest handful of teams...maybe James Darnell - Still young, would not be starting on any of the top teams...probably would still be in the minors Cory Luebke - I like him, doubtful would be above a #3 on any of the top 2 teams in any division. Dustin Moseley - I like him too, but he wouldn't even be a #3 on many of the top 2 teams in any division. Micah Owings - Easily replaceable middle reliever for decent teams Carlos Quentin - So far in his career, he has been Rob Deer with less strikeouts. We'll see if this tear can continue, but we all know it won't. He could play with many top teams, but probably bat 5-7 in the lineup. He's a good player, but not great. You see Bill, you talk about injuries, but the good teams replace hurt players with the type of talent the the Padres start on opening day.
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