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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 3, 2012 13:53:03 GMT -8
First of all, no one, and I mean NO ONE, is opposed to new sources of energy THAT WORK! The problem is that putting money into risky and unproven "green" energy schemes is bad public policy. We all know what happened with Solyndra. That was a lot of taxpayer money that went down the drain, money that savy investors in the private sector might well have funneled to new companies ready to produce products that could be successful both technically and economically. You may remember that Pres. Obama used to praise the Spanish government for its use of taxpayer money to bankroll "green" companies. Well, you don't hear him mention that Spanish project anymore. Read below to find out why. www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/20220603politics_of_red_white_and_green/AzWm |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 3, 2012 15:50:46 GMT -8
It should not have been that big a surprise when the government (taxpayer) subsidies to industries or companies that were not viable start to collapse even before the subsidies are withdrawn.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 3, 2012 18:13:30 GMT -8
It's important to keep in mind that one of the most important uses of fossil fuel will likely never be replaced by another source. I refer to the field of aviation. Just what "green" fuel is going to power our military, commercial, and civilian airplanes?
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Post by sdsustoner on Jun 4, 2012 13:36:39 GMT -8
It's important to keep in mind that one of the most important uses of fossil fuel will likely never be replaced by another source. I refer to the field of aviation. Just what "green" fuel is going to power our military, commercial, and civilian airplanes? AzWm As a lib, I always found this one funny when my friends would talk about alternative fuels and I'd bring this one up. We can do a lot better building better, more fuel efficient autos for the civilian sector. That being said, the solar panels on my house do save me some money in AZ. But, I'm not going to ever drive my house. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 4, 2012 14:52:10 GMT -8
It's important to keep in mind that one of the most important uses of fossil fuel will likely never be replaced by another source. I refer to the field of aviation. Just what "green" fuel is going to power our military, commercial, and civilian airplanes? AzWm As a lib, I always found this one funny when my friends would talk about alternative fuels and I'd bring this one up. We can do a lot better building better, more fuel efficient autos for the civilian sector. That being said, the solar panels on my house do save me some money in AZ. But, I'm not going to ever drive my house. Look into those solar panels and you will find some taxpayer subsidy. That kind of thing is in our future but for now some one else is helping you pay for your "savings". |
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Post by sdsustoner on Jun 4, 2012 14:58:21 GMT -8
As a lib, I always found this one funny when my friends would talk about alternative fuels and I'd bring this one up. We can do a lot better building better, more fuel efficient autos for the civilian sector. That being said, the solar panels on my house do save me some money in AZ. But, I'm not going to ever drive my house. Look into those solar panels and you will find some taxpayer subsidy. That kind of thing is in our future but for now some one else is helping you pay for your "savings". On my monthly bills? I know what you're saying. That's true. I was talking about my bills. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 5, 2012 11:28:49 GMT -8
Look into those solar panels and you will find some taxpayer subsidy. That kind of thing is in our future but for now some one else is helping you pay for your "savings". On my monthly bills? I know what you're saying. That's true. I was talking about my bills. Dang! We agree? Is there a full moon?  |
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Post by sdsustoner on Jun 5, 2012 13:31:27 GMT -8
On my monthly bills? I know what you're saying. That's true. I was talking about my bills. Dang! We agree? Is there a full moon? D'oh! Was hoping you'd say there was a gov subsidy for my power bills too. ;D |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jun 9, 2012 7:55:08 GMT -8
The electric car was first introduced to the marketplace in 1911. AND IT STILL DON'T WORK. Oh well, the govt hacks know that a new generation will come around in a few years, green and naive enough to believe their ham.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 11, 2012 9:47:38 GMT -8
The electric car was first introduced to the marketplace in 1911. AND IT STILL DON'T WORK. Oh well, the govt hacks know that a new generation will come around in a few years, green and naive enough to believe their ham. ... Huh??? I've had mine for a year now and it works just fine.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 14:13:13 GMT -8
I refer to the field of aviation. Just what "green" fuel is going to power our military, commercial, and civilian airplanes? AzWm Moonshine, Bacardi 151, Sambuca ;D |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 12, 2012 17:06:54 GMT -8
The electric car was first introduced to the marketplace in 1911. AND IT STILL DON'T WORK. Oh well, the govt hacks know that a new generation will come around in a few years, green and naive enough to believe their ham. ... Huh??? I've had mine for a year now and it works just fine. I see where Toyota is coming out with a plug in hybrid. Now we are starting to get somewhere. Yours has a range of what? Of course yours works fine as long as all you want to do is go around the block. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 13, 2012 9:39:15 GMT -8
Huh??? I've had mine for a year now and it works just fine. I see where Toyota is coming out with a plug in hybrid. Now we are starting to get somewhere. Yours has a range of what? Of course yours works fine as long as all you want to do is go around the block. Win, every vehicle is manufactured and purchased with a specific purpose in mind. Yes, I have a limited effective range of 70 - 80 miles and cannot quickly recharge until they build the 440 network. However, the purpose I purchased my Leaf was not to travel cross country but to commute to work and run local errands. My commute is 45 miles round trip and I normally have 25 to 35 miles left for errands. I use the car 7 days a week and my monthly 'fuel' bill has averaged $24.00 per month for a year. This vehicle doe EXACTLY what I purchased it for. In fact, it has exceeded my expectations. For longer trips, or the rare occasion where I forgot to hook up the charger, I purchased a nice 20 year old Mercedes with very low miles. My cat loves sleeping on the hood. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 13, 2012 12:52:23 GMT -8
I see where Toyota is coming out with a plug in hybrid. Now we are starting to get somewhere. Yours has a range of what? Of course yours works fine as long as all you want to do is go around the block. Win, every vehicle is manufactured and purchased with a specific purpose in mind. Yes, I have a limited effective range of 70 - 80 miles and cannot quickly recharge until they build the 440 network. However, the purpose I purchased my Leaf was not to travel cross country but to commute to work and run local errands. My commute is 45 miles round trip and I normally have 25 to 35 miles left for errands. I use the car 7 days a week and my monthly 'fuel' bill has averaged $24.00 per month for a year. This vehicle doe EXACTLY what I purchased it for. In fact, it has exceeded my expectations. For longer trips, or the rare occasion where I forgot to hook up the charger, I purchased a nice 20 year old Mercedes with very low miles. My cat loves sleeping on the hood. Good! I am glad you like what you bought and have no second thoughts. I have been waiting for the plug in model to come out and I will get serious about it soon. The only drawback still is the poor quality of the batteries and their high cost. I won't be that far behing now that it makes more sense. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 14, 2012 8:47:23 GMT -8
Win, every vehicle is manufactured and purchased with a specific purpose in mind. Yes, I have a limited effective range of 70 - 80 miles and cannot quickly recharge until they build the 440 network. However, the purpose I purchased my Leaf was not to travel cross country but to commute to work and run local errands. My commute is 45 miles round trip and I normally have 25 to 35 miles left for errands. I use the car 7 days a week and my monthly 'fuel' bill has averaged $24.00 per month for a year. This vehicle doe EXACTLY what I purchased it for. In fact, it has exceeded my expectations. For longer trips, or the rare occasion where I forgot to hook up the charger, I purchased a nice 20 year old Mercedes with very low miles. My cat loves sleeping on the hood. Good! I am glad you like what you bought and have no second thoughts. I have been waiting for the plug in model to come out and I will get serious about it soon. The only drawback still is the poor quality of the batteries and their high cost. I won't be that far behing now that it makes more sense. Agree. While battery technology is getting better there hasn't really been a 'leap' in technology as of yet. I worked at the Naval Ocean Systems Center in Point Loma when I went to SDSU back in the late 70's. They were working on a contract for the Coast Guard to develop a better battery technology. I became friends with one of the scientists on the project. He said that realistically, battery technology hadn't really advanced much since the time of Edison. I know that you've slammed the Volt in the past but the technology they are using is going down the right track for a plug-in. The gas engine only generates electricity. This eliminates the problem of dual connections to the wheels, etc. |
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Post by davdesid on Jun 14, 2012 12:13:24 GMT -8
Good! I am glad you like what you bought and have no second thoughts. I have been waiting for the plug in model to come out and I will get serious about it soon. The only drawback still is the poor quality of the batteries and their high cost. I won't be that far behing now that it makes more sense. Agree. While battery technology is getting better there hasn't really been a 'leap' in technology as of yet. I worked at the Naval Ocean Systems Center in Point Loma when I went to SDSU back in the late 70's. They were working on a contract for the Coast Guard to develop a better battery technology. I became friends with one of the scientists on the project. He said that realistically, battery technology hadn't really advanced much since the time of Edison. I know that you've slammed the Volt in the past but the technology they are using is going down the right track for a plug-in. The gas engine only generates electricity. This eliminates the problem of dual connections to the wheels, etc. Just curious, did you know an officer at NOSC named "Barnes". Worked with Mk46 torpedoes. This is not a troll. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 14, 2012 12:40:48 GMT -8
Agree. While battery technology is getting better there hasn't really been a 'leap' in technology as of yet. I worked at the Naval Ocean Systems Center in Point Loma when I went to SDSU back in the late 70's. They were working on a contract for the Coast Guard to develop a better battery technology. I became friends with one of the scientists on the project. He said that realistically, battery technology hadn't really advanced much since the time of Edison. I know that you've slammed the Volt in the past but the technology they are using is going down the right track for a plug-in. The gas engine only generates electricity. This eliminates the problem of dual connections to the wheels, etc. Just curious, did you know an officer at NOSC named "Barnes". Worked with Mk46 torpedoes. This is not a troll. I think the torpedo work was done down bayside. I worked mostly topside. Name doesn't ring a bell. Also, I didn't have anything more than a confidential level clearance at the time since I was a student. There were many places on the base I couldn't get into. |
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Post by davdesid on Jun 14, 2012 14:21:14 GMT -8
Just curious, did you know an officer at NOSC named "Barnes". Worked with Mk46 torpedoes. This is not a troll. I think the torpedo work was done down bayside. I worked mostly topside. Name doesn't ring a bell. Also, I didn't have anything more than a confidential level clearance at the time since I was a student. There were many places on the base I couldn't get into. Thanks. I just wondered. I know it's a pretty big place. He was a colleague back in the day at ASW School and Fleet TraGru. He was evaluating exercise torpedo performance at NOSC during the time frame you mentioned. Thanks for your service. |
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