|
|
Post by kaztec on Jun 2, 2012 7:30:15 GMT -8
|
|
|
|
Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2012 19:00:48 GMT -8
CIF needs to be overhauled. Division I baseball playoffs got ruined this year thanks to Mira Mesa's violation. As to the proposed changes for football, I like the open division.
|
|
|
|
Post by sdsustoner on Jun 7, 2012 13:48:13 GMT -8
CIF Southern Section already has an open-like, super division in the Pac 5. A few years ago when they did their adjustments they put nearly every power in the other CIF divisions into D1 and renamed all the divisions names instead of numbers. So it added several lower division champs (some of whom dominated their divisions for years) with a couple of other lower division powers to creat the Pac 5. The Pac 5 is arguably the toughest section in the nation according to Max preps. This is why you saw a two-loss Santa Marijuana...er...Margarita school get an invite and win the state title over several unbeaten teams from other sections.
The good: Pac 5 teams generally got stronger, dominating out of division competition. An observer can easily spot Pac 5 teams due to the sheer size of their lines and depth at all positions compared to other divisions. Pac 5 champs, generally get a defacto autobid to the state title games, regardless of W/L record. If Tesoro won it all last year before a semi-final loss, they wouldn't have made it.
The Bad: Programs that used to dominate lower divisions haven't won CIF since joining the Pac 5. Which prompted illogical firings for some coaches. The anti-Pac 5 resentment. Also the defacto auto bid, which is good for the Pac 5 and the Southern Section, but it hurts schools who go unbeaten like Bakersfield last year who was snubbed at 14-0 for a 12-2 Santa Marijuana. Shady transfers. Like how Mission Viejo has a south county all-star team for years now gaining transfers after successful frosh seasons due to their 'Future Farmers of America' magnet program.
Granted this is an actual division and not just a playoff format.
|
|
|
|
Post by bio71 on Jun 7, 2012 21:24:51 GMT -8
The CIF San Diego Section does a good job of staging playoffs considering the small number of schools (98) in the section that field football teams. www.cifsds.org/index.php/fall-/footballThe Southern Section has 78 leagues, the San Diego Section has 19 leagues. www.calpreps.com/One problem in the CIFSDS, is the leagues are formed on a geographical basis so weak teams are in leagues with schools that beat them up. Then for the playoffs the Divisions are divided up by enrollment and some divisions inevitably have teams with losing records. But any playoff football game is a good game so I say the more the merrier. Also sometimes a team with a poor season record wins some playoff games and surprises everyone. Also, survey says: 85% of Americans with no horse in the race will root for the Underdog. |
|
|
|
Post by sdsustoner on Jun 8, 2012 8:43:40 GMT -8
That's a problem the SS tries to eliminate when they re-align. So teams in weak leagues get booted down to leagues in lower divisions and vice versa. Sometimes it's entire leagues like the Sunset League getting booted from the Pac 5. The Coast View Conference within the Pac 5 does this to the extreme. It's a 10 team league split into two divisions; the South Coast League (Pac 5 formerlly D1)and the Sea View League (Southwest...D6). Unless a team petitions not to be moved up, the top two teams in the Sea View switch with the bottom two in the South Coast every year. Laguna Hills petitioned not to move up next year, but CIF Finalist El Toro will while Capo Valley moves down. With limited Pac 5 playoff spots, only the top two teams make it to the playoffs from the SCL with no shot at an at-large because the Pac 5 doesn't have any.
|
|
|
|
Post by bio71 on Aug 29, 2012 15:06:58 GMT -8
The 2012 playoffs will be held at the 5,000 seat Wilson Stadium at Escondido High School: www.eastcountysports.com/main/2012-13/prep/football.shtmlNice stadium, I was there for the dedication and one hundred year commemorative game between Russ High (now San Diego High) and Escondido High. There is limited parking, so wear your hiking boots. |
|
|
|
Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 2, 2012 0:26:13 GMT -8
The 2012 playoffs will be held at the 5,000 seat Wilson Stadium at Escondido High School: www.eastcountysports.com/main/2012-13/prep/football.shtmlNice stadium, I was there for the dedication and one hundred year commemorative game between Russ High (now San Diego High) and Escondido High. There is limited parking, so wear your hiking boots. Vista's got a lot more seating, but the press box and facilities at Escondido are a lot nicer, so I suspect that (and the longer drive to Vista) would be why they'd hold it there. The press box at Escondido is nicer than a lot of non-D1 college press boxes. REALLY nice. That alone may have been the reason as it will work well with the radio and cable TV broadcasts of the games. |
|
|
|
Post by dshawfan on Sept 12, 2012 22:35:20 GMT -8
Got an e-mail tonight explaining how they would like to revamp this year's baseball playoffs and then introduce it to the rest of the sports next year. Essentially what they are looking at doing is using Maxpreps ratings to create a rolling 5 year average for your team and then ranking the teams from highest to lowest to create divisions for the playoffs. In baseball, D1 would be 12 teams and all would qualify for the playoffs; D2 would be 18 teams with 12 qualifying, D3 would be 24 teams with 12 qualifying etc. One of the problems I see is that they are stipulating that a team can only move up 1 division or down 2 at most according to the ratings. So that means that we have 2 schools currently in D3 that are rated #1 and #3 in SDHS baseball according to Maxpreps that would be put in D2 even though their ratings say they should be in D1. At the other end of the spectrum we have a D1 team in our league whose power rating says they should be in D4, but CIF would only drop them to D3. I guess we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Seems to me if you are going to force power ratings on us, then use them across the board and let the chips fall where they may. Personally I am against it. We are in D3 and compete w/ the 2 schools mentioned above and we have played them 3 times in the past 4 years in the playoffs. Lost all 3 times, once by 1 run, once by 2 runs and once we got boat raced. I want to compete against the elite in our division. It's our job to raise our program to the level of the elite, not CIF's job to level the playing field out for us. Essentially what they are doing is making this like the CST Playoffs: (For those of you w/ kids in CA public schools  ) Advanced Playoffs, Proficient Playoffs, Basic Playoffs, Below Basic Playoffs and Far Below Basic Playoffs. Thanks, but no thanks. |
|
|
|
Post by dshawfan on Sept 12, 2012 22:39:26 GMT -8
CIF needs to be overhauled. Division I baseball playoffs got ruined this year thanks to Mira Mesa's violation. As to the proposed changes for football, I like the open division. That was the fault of administrators at MM. Yes, GH got screwed, but I can't fault CIF. They tried to make the best of a bad situation. |
|
)