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Post by AztecBill on May 17, 2012 14:37:51 GMT -8
New middle Infield for the Padres at least for 15 days.
Released INF Orlando Hudson. Placed INF Jason Bartlett on the 15-day DL, retroactive to may 15. Recalled INF Everth Cabrera and INF Alexi Amarista from Tucson (PCL). Claimed LHP Eric Stults off waivers from the Chicago White Sox.
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Post by aztecmusician on May 17, 2012 23:14:04 GMT -8
The Hitter's Graveyard, aka Petco Park claims two more victims.
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Post by AztecBill on May 18, 2012 16:15:34 GMT -8
The Hitter's Graveyard, aka Petco Park claims two more victims. More than that. It is two former all-stars who have really lost it. Defense and offense of both is well below average. Both are hitting below .200 on the road this year. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 12:03:38 GMT -8
The Hitter's Graveyard, aka Petco Park claims two more victims. I disagree. Orlando Hudson was brought in to make it look like the Padres Front Office was doing something. They get rid of Eckstein who has pretty much the same career numbers as Hudson. The only difference was, Eckstein was only making $1 million and Hudson made $5+ million. Eckstein also didn't make an error his last season as a Padre. Hudson was, and is, an average ballplayer. The same thing for Bartlett. You can't blame Petco when the Padres havn't had any good hitters in a while. It was all smoke and mirrors by Padre Management. Hudson's Career .276 91 525 .343 Eckstein's Career .280 35 392 .345 Bartlett's Career .271 31 286 .336 Good hitters should thrive at Petco!!! |
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Post by AztecBill on May 24, 2012 8:36:56 GMT -8
The Hitter's Graveyard, aka Petco Park claims two more victims. I disagree. Orlando Hudson was brought in to make it look like the Padres Front Office was doing something. They get rid of Eckstein who has pretty much the same career numbers as Hudson. The only difference was, Eckstein was only making $1 million and Hudson made $5+ million. Eckstein also didn't make an error his last season as a Padre. Hudson was, and is, an average ballplayer. The same thing for Bartlett. You can't blame Petco when the Padres haven't had any good hitters in a while. It was all smoke and mirrors by Padre Management. Hudson's Career .276 91 525 .343 Eckstein's Career .280 35 392 .345 Bartlett's Career .271 31 286 .336 Good hitters should thrive at Petco!!! I never made an error for the Padres either. Eckstein didn't play for the Padres since 2010. The Padres didn't "get rid of Eckstein". The Padres and Cardinals offered him a contract to play in 2011 but he retired instead. David Eckstein voluntarily retired after having a good season in 2010. That is rare in baseball. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 24, 2012 8:43:24 GMT -8
Good hitters should thrive at Petco!!! But they haven't. That is the history of the park. We have 8 years of data to prove that. Or else, maybe you think the Padres have had, by far, the best pitching in baseball over that period of time. They have the best home ERA over those 8 years. That is eqivalent to 4 full years of baseball. Your buddy David Eckstein's numbers in 2 years with the Padres.238 BA Petco Park .292 BA On the road with the Padres |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 9:20:20 GMT -8
I never made an error for the Padres either. Eckstein didn't play for the Padres since 2010. David Eckstein voluntarily retired after having a good season in 2010. That is rare in baseball. I stand corrected. Eckstein did decide to retire. Hudson was brought in to replace him though. Regardless, why would you pay Hudson over 5 times what you paid Eckstein with similar numbers?? Also, who are these great hitters you are talking about that have played in the last 5 years?? The Padres haven't had the talent to justify blaming Petco for poor hitting. The players need to stop trying to hit home runs and hit the ball into the gaps. Tony Gwynn would have torn Petco up!!! |
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Post by AztecBill on May 24, 2012 12:49:53 GMT -8
I stand corrected. Eckstein did decide to retire. Hudson was brought in to replace him though. Regardless, why would pay Hudson over 5 times what you paid Eckstein with similar numbers?? Also, who are these great hitters you are talking about that have played in the last 5 years?? The Padres haven't had the talent to justify blaming Petco for poor hitting. The players need to stop trying to hit home runs and hit the ball into the gaps. Tony Gwynn would have torn Petco up!!! #1 3.39 Padres #2 3.63 Cardinals #3 3.65 A's #4 3.73 Dodgers #5 3.73 Mets The Padres pitchers have been the best by a wide margin over the past 8 years, at home. Is this simply because the Padres pitchers have been better or that Petco Park makes hitters worse? Opposing hitters Batting Average for 8 years at Petco: .240 (worst, or best, in MLB) |
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Post by aztecmusician on May 26, 2012 18:04:19 GMT -8
Petco Park IS the hitters graveyard. Just ask Jorge Cantu, Brad Hawpe, Ryan Ludwick, Jim Edmonds, Vinnie Castilla and Tony Gwynn Jr.
Even Bud Black says the park needs to be changed. Free agent hitters now know this ball park will destroy their careers and with the farm system still churning out a steady stream of big league flops, this does not look promising for the future success of the Pads.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 12:39:44 GMT -8
Petco Park IS the hitters graveyard. Just ask Jorge Cantu, Brad Hawpe, Ryan Ludwick, Jim Edmonds, Vinnie Castilla and Tony Gwynn Jr. Even Bud Black says the park needs to be changed. Free agent hitters now know this ball park will destroy their careers and with the farm system still churning out a steady stream of big league flops, this does not look promising for the future success of the Pads. Besides Edmonds, who was at the latter part of his career, you just named a bunch of average MLB players. Castilla was a home run guy and an average one at that. Ludwick is a .259 BA career guy. Again, you can't blame Petco for a bunch of average ballplayers inability to hit there. I think you are missing the point that Padres management continually puts average guys on the field. They will occasionally bring in an overpriced average guy in to make it look like they are doing something. But, the good players do not play very long in a Padre Uniform. TG was the exception in San Diego. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 27, 2012 13:49:05 GMT -8
Petco Park IS the hitters graveyard. Just ask Jorge Cantu, Brad Hawpe, Ryan Ludwick, Jim Edmonds, Vinnie Castilla and Tony Gwynn Jr. Even Bud Black says the park needs to be changed. Free agent hitters now know this ball park will destroy their careers and with the farm system still churning out a steady stream of big league flops, this does not look promising for the future success of the Pads. Besides Edmonds, who was at the latter part of his career, you just named a bunch of average MLB players. Castilla was a home run guy and an average one at that. Ludwick is a .259 BA career guy. Again, you can't blame Petco for a bunch of average ballplayers inability to hit there. I think you are missing the point that Padres management continually puts average guys on the field. They will occasionally bring in an overpriced average guy in to make it look like they are doing something. But, the good players do not play very long in a Padre Uniform. TG was the exception in San Diego. Exactly this. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 27, 2012 13:55:38 GMT -8
Petco Park IS the hitters graveyard. Just ask Jorge Cantu, Brad Hawpe, Ryan Ludwick, Jim Edmonds, Vinnie Castilla and Tony Gwynn Jr. Even Bud Black says the park needs to be changed. Free agent hitters now know this ball park will destroy their careers and with the farm system still churning out a steady stream of big league flops, this does not look promising for the future success of the Pads. The guys you use here are not credible to use in your argument. Tony loved the gaps here. He was never a home run hitter. |
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Post by aztecmusician on May 27, 2012 21:53:14 GMT -8
Petco Park IS the hitters graveyard. Just ask Jorge Cantu, Brad Hawpe, Ryan Ludwick, Jim Edmonds, Vinnie Castilla and Tony Gwynn Jr. Even Bud Black says the park needs to be changed. Free agent hitters now know this ball park will destroy their careers and with the farm system still churning out a steady stream of big league flops, this does not look promising for the future success of the Pads. Besides Edmonds, who was at the latter part of his career, you just named a bunch of average MLB players. Castilla was a home run guy and an average one at that. Ludwick is a .259 BA career guy. Again, you can't blame Petco for a bunch of average ballplayers inability to hit there. I think you are missing the point that Padres management continually puts average guys on the field. They will occasionally bring in an overpriced average guy in to make it look like they are doing something. But, the good players do not play very long in a Padre Uniform. TG was the exception in San Diego. Ok, aside from Adrian Gonzalez, the Padres lineup has been exclusively a bunch of average or below average MLB players. Just look what Adrian did after he left the hitters graveyard, his avg. rocketed from .285 to .338. Gwynn Jr. hit .204 is final year with the Padres, his average last year was .256, this year it is .286! Ludwick hit .299 in 2008, he .211 in 2010 w the Padres and hasn't been the same since. Jim Edmonds hit .178 for the Padres in 2010, later that year he was signed by the Cubs and hit a respectable .256 with 19 HRs. Petco is the hitters graveyard. Chase Headley would be a .300 + hitter in Coors Field, no doubt. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on May 28, 2012 22:40:33 GMT -8
ABill's numbers aren't made up. Just because some of you think a good hitter should be good at Petco because of the gaps doesn't make it so. Chase Headley is a .300 hitter on the road and a .220 hitter at home. The Padres pitching isn't any better than "good" but they are consistently one of the best pitching teams statistically because of Petco.
There's a combination of confirmation bias (when Matt Kemp hits 3 homers in 4 games people think to themselves "see someone can hit here!" and frustration with the lack of results from the Padres at work here, but make no mistake, Petco is a miserable park to hit in.
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Post by AztecBill on May 29, 2012 13:46:26 GMT -8
Besides Edmonds, who was at the latter part of his career, you just named a bunch of average MLB players. Castilla was a home run guy and an average one at that. Ludwick is a .259 BA career guy. Again, you can't blame Petco for a bunch of average ballplayers inability to hit there. I think you are missing the point that Padres management continually puts average guys on the field. They will occasionally bring in an overpriced average guy in to make it look like they are doing something. But, the good players do not play very long in a Padre Uniform. TG was the exception in San Diego. Saying that Petco Park only inhibits average hitters ability is just silly. What separates average hitters from great hitters is a couple of hits a week one of which is an extra base hit. AGon was not an average hitter. | | SLG Petco | SLG Road | Difference | | 2010 | .438 | .578 | .140 | | 2009 | .446 | .643 | .197 | | 2008 | .433 | .578 | .145 | | 2007 | .424 | .570 | .146 |
Notice that the difference was pretty consistent. But the difference was the least in his worst year and the most in his best year. AGon's SLG at Petco Park was very average. AGon's SLG on the road was at MVP level. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 29, 2012 14:10:06 GMT -8
Besides Edmonds, who was at the latter part of his career, you just named a bunch of average MLB players. Castilla was a home run guy and an average one at that. Ludwick is a .259 BA career guy. Again, you can't blame Petco for a bunch of average ballplayers inability to hit there. I think you are missing the point that Padres management continually puts average guys on the field. They will occasionally bring in an overpriced average guy in to make it look like they are doing something. But, the good players do not play very long in a Padre Uniform. TG was the exception in San Diego. Saying that Petco Park only inhibits average hitters ability is just silly. What separates average hitters from great hitters is a couple of hits a week one of which is an extra base hit. AGon was not an average hitter. | | SLG Petco | SLG Road | Difference | | 2010 | .438 | .578 | .140 | | 2009 | .446 | .643 | .197 | | 2008 | .433 | .578 | .145 | | 2007 | .424 | .570 | .146 |
Notice that the difference was pretty consistent. But the difference was the least in his worst year and the most in his best year. AGon's SLG at Petco Park was very average. AGon's SLG on the road was at MVP level. Barry Bonds had a career .390 SLG and a .195 batting average at Petco Park during a time in his career that he was killing everyone else at every other venue. Was he a great hitter? |
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