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Post by aztec619 on Feb 8, 2012 12:10:37 GMT -8
insider.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove11/story?id=7547640&_slug_=san-diego-padres-best-farm-system-baseball-mlb&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb%2fhotstove11%2fstory%3fid%3d7547640%26_slug_%3dsan-diego-padres-best-farm-system-baseball-mlbI don't have access to read the other teams but our breakdown is listed: "1. San Diego Padres
Without Anthony Rizzo, they no longer have a top-25 prospect in their system, but in terms of total future value of players likely to play significant roles in the big leagues, they're ahead of everyone else. Some of these players, especially from the 2011 draft, will develop into stars. But there are so many prospects here with high floors, players who would be top-10 or top-five in other systems but are 11-20 here (such as Robbie Erlin or Edinson Rincon), that they are well-positioned to compete even with modest major league payrolls during the next five to six years. Fans who were upset at the sudden departures of GM Jed Hoyer and assistant GM Jason McLeod for the Cubs should find solace in the fact that the prospects they helped bring into the system (along with many other scouts and execs, including Chris Gwynn, now with Seattle, and Jaron Madison and Randy Smith, still in San Diego) remain in place. "
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 12:56:01 GMT -8
Well that's encouraging to read. Let's just hope it translates into big league success.
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Post by ELF on Feb 8, 2012 13:07:39 GMT -8
As soon as any of them get called up, we can trade them away too. #ruletheminorleague
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Post by AztecBill on Feb 8, 2012 15:30:08 GMT -8
As soon as any of them get called up, we can trade them away too. #ruletheminorleague That has not happened. AGON was aquired in a trade of veterans. Peavy was traded. Latos was not a trade designed for a salary dump. So Peavy alone was a Padres minor leaguer who came up and was eventaully traded for money reasons. He was the only one. And that trade had some health overtones so it is not at all clear. That trade has worked out well for the Padres. Richard has been as good as Peavy and much cheaper. And we traded another piece for our current SS. Meanwhile former Padres minors leaguers: Stauffer will likely be our opening starter. Luebke will be our #2. Headley will be our 3rd baseman Hundley will be our catcher The club does have 6 years of control. 3 years ago the minors were one of the worst in baseball. What we have coming into the system in the next 3 years has not been experienced by Padres fans ever. |
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Post by aztecron on Feb 8, 2012 16:56:15 GMT -8
As soon as any of them get called up, we can trade them away too. #ruletheminorleague That has not happened. AGON was aquired in a trade of veterans. Peavy was traded. Latos was not a trade designed for a salary dump. So Peavy alone was a Padres minor leaguer who came up and was eventaully traded for money reasons. He was the only one. And that trade had some health overtones so it is not at all clear. That trade has worked out well for the Padres. Richard has been as good as Peavy and much cheaper. And we traded another piece for our current SS. Meanwhile former Padres minors leaguers: Stauffer will likely be our opening starter. Luebke will be our #2. Headley will be our 3rd baseman Hundley will be our catcher The club does have 6 years of control. 3 years ago the minors were one of the worst in baseball. What we have coming into the system in the next 3 years has not been experienced by Padres fans ever. Bill, I think you're absolutely correct in regards to our current minor league system. I know a lot of people are down on the Padres and I can't blame them. But, in my opinion, our future as you declare above, has me stoked about our future. I made the comparison in a previous discussion on the board with AztecEric between our current minor league system and the Braves just before they started long run of first place finishes in the 90's. They started in the same fashion as we're now moving to. Scout, develop and sign those you wish to keep. With six years control of each player the Pad's will be able to either lock up early performers (Byrnes, get Maybin done soon) and choose to trade others for even more prospects, like the Latos trade was. With continued success (here's the Pad's long term issue IMO) in scouting and player development it can be done to where we can compete for division championships on a continuum. |
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Post by missiontrails on Feb 8, 2012 17:03:53 GMT -8
I agree Bill. I love building a team through drafts and a few smart trades. I just wish we had some sort of salary cap. Although even better (and completely a fantasy) would be that salaries never became outrageous, we could build completely through the draft, and fans would get to witness player loyaty to their teams. Maybe in our next life.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 18:14:00 GMT -8
As soon as any of them get called up, we can trade them away too. #ruletheminorleague That has not happened. AGON was aquired in a trade of veterans. Peavy was traded. Latos was not a trade designed for a salary dump. So Peavy alone was a Padres minor leaguer who came up and was eventaully traded for money reasons. He was the only one. And that trade had some health overtones so it is not at all clear. That trade has worked out well for the Padres. Richard has been as good as Peavy and much cheaper. And we traded another piece for our current SS. Meanwhile former Padres minors leaguers: Stauffer will likely be our opening starter. Luebke will be our #2. Headley will be our 3rd baseman Hundley will be our catcher The club does have 6 years of control. 3 years ago the minors were one of the worst in baseball. What we have coming into the system in the next 3 years has not been experienced by Padres fans ever. Who gives a $#!+ how we acquired them? A Gon was a young stud that pretty much broke into the big leagues with the Padres (save a few AB for the Rangers) The fact is when our players get good we can't afford them anymore and then we trade them. Peavy, Gonzalez, Bell, Latos, Adams. In regards to Latos there have been plenty of players with character issues around baseball and teams have kept a hold of them. Zambrano and Manny come to mind. These teams are willing to spend and take a risk and the Padres are not. |
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Post by AztecTom on Feb 8, 2012 19:21:25 GMT -8
That's nice recognition but we need it to pan out on the field or it is all for not.
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Post by d68soldier on Feb 8, 2012 19:39:39 GMT -8
Who gives a $#!+ how we acquired them? A Gon was a young stud that pretty much broke into the big leagues with the Padres (save a few AB for the Rangers) The fact is when our players get good we can't afford them anymore and then we trade them. Peavy, Gonzalez, Bell, Latos, Adams. In regards to Latos there have been plenty of players with character issues around baseball and teams have kept a hold of them. Zambrano and Manny come to mind. These teams are willing to spend and take a risk and the Padres are not. I understand your frustration and I have had my moments of frustration as well. However, this is the first time that I have seen a real commitment towards building a contending team for a good amount of years. Yes, the Padres had a good run from 96-98 and 05-07 but they were a team with a lot of veterans that were not homegrown. I am looking forward to this season and I hope that Alonso is our 1B for the next decade. I hope that Maybin can improve on last year so that he should get a long term deal. The one homegrown Padre that I feel deserves a long term deal is Tim Stauffer. I like Headley but his numbers at Petco are horrific. If you cannot be productive on your home field, you need to go. Hopefully, they can get a decent MLB SS for him. Also, I think Richard and Moseley will eventually be traded too. Package them all and why not get an above average MLB SS. |
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Post by AztecTom on Feb 8, 2012 20:04:44 GMT -8
Maybin needs to be given an extension and lock him up for a while.
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Post by aztecmusician on Feb 9, 2012 15:52:12 GMT -8
Peter Gammons says this club is built to contend and win in 2014. Things like this #1 ranking are encouraging, but most of the hitters in the system will be eaten alive by Petco Park.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 9, 2012 21:57:00 GMT -8
As Coach Kentera noted on his show, NONE of the guys in the Padres farm system look like impact players.
They all look like good, solid role players. A team needs impact players to win a World Series. Hell, a team needs impact players just to GET to a World Series.
The Padres have none.
As soon as they have a legit star player and re-sign him I'll soften my stance on the team.
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Post by AztecBill on Feb 10, 2012 21:26:30 GMT -8
As Coach Kentera noted on his show, NONE of the guys in the Padres farm system look like impact players. They all look like good, solid role players. A team needs impact players to win a World Series. Hell, a team needs impact players just to GET to a World Series. The Padres have none. As soon as they have a legit star player and re-sign him I'll soften my stance on the team. Baseball history is full of players who seemed to be distined for an average career that became more. What is great about the Padres farm system is the large number of players. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 10, 2012 23:14:23 GMT -8
As Coach Kentera noted on his show, NONE of the guys in the Padres farm system look like impact players. They all look like good, solid role players. A team needs impact players to win a World Series. Hell, a team needs impact players just to GET to a World Series. The Padres have none. As soon as they have a legit star player and re-sign him I'll soften my stance on the team. Baseball history is full of players who seemed to be distined for an average career that became more. What is great about the Padres farm system is the large number of players. Like I said, as soon as the Padres have a legit star player and they re-sign him to a significant contract extension I'll soften my stance on them. All I want is a firm commitment from them to try and win a World Series. They haven't done all they could to win a WS since 1998. From 1996-1998 they really tried hard. They made great trades, brought in free agents, paid players good money. They haven't tried that hard since then. After the last 13 years a lot of people are done with the team - and that's why attendance was so crappy two years ago while the team was overachieving. No one believed in them. A huge percentage of the fanbase was waiting for the collapse that finally came to pass. That team was all smoke and mirrors and everyone knew it. Watching a terrible team become merely bad isn't fun. Watching a bad team become mediocre isn't much more fun. Watching a mediocre team fail to go to the next level is worst of all, though, because you know they have something to build on and just need some key parts to take them over the top - but those parts are never put in place. I'm just tired of Padres fans being Charlie Brown, and the ownership and management of the team playing Lucy holding that football. |
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