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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 11:28:07 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 11:31:27 GMT -8
A relief pitcher for the gem of our minor league system this time last year.. son of a bitch.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:50:51 GMT -8
Don't like the move at this point, could have held out for a better opportunity. Cashner definitely has power stuff, but I just don't see this as enough of a return for what could be an All-Star first baseman.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 6, 2012 13:17:44 GMT -8
This trade opens up some questions at first base. Blanks? Guzman? Alonzo? Or perhaps the Padres bring in a veteran power hitter.
Bottom line for me is that the Padres got fleeced in the Adrian Gonzalez deal. Where is Casey Kelly?
The Padres need to get back to what they do well, giving free agents and veterans a second lease on their careers. Remember the '05 and '06 teams? Pennant contending teams built with veteran players such as Mark Loretta, Ramon Hernandez, Brian Giles, Dave Roberts, Mike Cameron, Mike Piazza, Ryan Klesko ect. At least those guys could hit (and win) in Petco Park. The current crop of prospects have been a disaster. This isn't surprising and is true to form for the Padres who haven't had an All Star calibre hitter come from their farm system and contribute since the days of Robbie Alomar and Carlos Baerga.
Carlos Quinten is a quality pickup, but the Padres need a few more veteran hitters. If Venable and Blanks can hit their way into the lineup, so be it, however as evidenced by this trade, the youth movement isn't working.
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Post by AztecBill on Jan 6, 2012 13:20:56 GMT -8
Don't like the move at this point, could have held out for a better opportunity. Cashner definitely has power stuff, but I just don't see this as enough of a return for what could be an All-Star first baseman. I tend to agree with you. I thought we would get more. I think the Padres see him as a starter. Cashner may turn out to be a good starter. Most of his MLB experience was as a 23 year old relief pitcher while most all of his minor league appearances were as a starter. He was injured last year and pitched very well in relief after his return in September. The Padres could use him in the long relief / spot start role that Stauffer/Luebke/Bass have manned so well over the past 2 years. He may also become a starter in place of the newly aquired Reds pitcher, if Edinson Volquez doesn't rebound from his injury as the Padres hope. The Padres have a lot of options for starters. 1. Stauffer 2. Luebke 3. Richard 4. Moseley 5. Bass 6. Volquez 7. Cashner |
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Post by AztecBill on Jan 6, 2012 13:25:47 GMT -8
A relief pitcher for the gem of our minor league system this time last year.. son of a bitch. Maybe too many managers listened to John Your Pal  |
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Post by AztecBill on Jan 6, 2012 13:31:54 GMT -8
Don't like the move at this point, could have held out for a better opportunity. Cashner definitely has power stuff, but I just don't see this as enough of a return for what could be an All-Star first baseman. I tend to agree with you. I thought we would get more. I think the Padres see him as a starter. Cashner may turn out to be a good starter. Most of his MLB experience was as a 23 year old relief pitcher while most all of his minor league appearances were as a starter. He was injured last year and pitched very well in relief after his return in September. The Padres could use him in the long relief / spot start role that Stauffer/Luebke/Bass have manned so well over the past 2 years. He may also become a starter in place of the newly aquired Reds pitcher, if Edinson Volquez doesn't rebound from his injury as the Padres hope. The Padres have a lot of options for starters. 1. Stauffer 2. Luebke 3. Richard 4. Moseley 5. Bass 6. Volquez 7. Cashner I also think the Padres pitching coaches will get more out of him than the Cubs could. Developing pitchers is one thing the Padres are good at. |
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Jan 6, 2012 13:52:02 GMT -8
Should have asked for Starlin Castro.....
Uhhh, nevermind.
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Post by AztecBill on Jan 6, 2012 14:19:02 GMT -8
It seems the Padres will use Cashner as a set up man this year because of his lack of innings and recent injury.
They project him to be a starter in the future.
Using him as a starter this year would require him to be shut down later in the year. He may move from the setup man to a starter later in the year, if needed, and the bullpen develops a replacement. It would have to be late enough that his innings don't go over are 140 total.
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Post by AztecBill on Jan 6, 2012 14:19:36 GMT -8
Should have asked for Starlin Castro..... Uhhh, nevermind. They probably did and then everyone had a good laugh. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 15:02:27 GMT -8
I wasn't opposed to dealing Rizzo, I am just baffled at how little the Padres got in return. It will be interesting to track the careers of Rizzo and this Cashner kid to see how this ends up.
Perhaps Rizzo's star has faded to "insiders". I have no clue.
Hoping for the best, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 15:10:17 GMT -8
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Post by jonnyaztec94 on Jan 6, 2012 18:19:04 GMT -8
This team never ceases to amaze me.  |
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Post by podpeople on Jan 6, 2012 19:29:55 GMT -8
who trades a position player with potential to be a very good first baseman for a pitcher who is coming off an injury?
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Post by justanothersdsufan on Jan 6, 2012 19:52:26 GMT -8
who trades a position player with potential to be a very good first baseman for a pitcher who is coming off an injury? The amazing Josh Byrnes. I was okay with his previous few trades, but this one is awful. Maybe worse than some of those deals he made as the D-Backs GM... |
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Post by podpeople on Jan 6, 2012 20:05:40 GMT -8
who trades a position player with potential to be a very good first baseman for a pitcher who is coming off an injury? The amazing Josh Byrnes. I was okay with his previous few trades, but this one is awful. Maybe worse than some of those deals he made as the D-Backs GM... so, basically we got a sore armed relief pitcher for AGonz, who is one of the best hitters in all of baseball. what a F-ing joke. |
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Post by k5james on Jan 7, 2012 0:56:40 GMT -8
Not that I'm one to defend the Padres but Kelly was the Heart of the AGonz deal.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 7, 2012 7:09:35 GMT -8
The amazing Josh Byrnes. I was okay with his previous few trades, but this one is awful. Maybe worse than some of those deals he made as the D-Backs GM... so, basically we got a sore armed relief pitcher for AGonz, who is one of the best hitters in all of baseball. what a F-ing joke. Everyone who was critical of the Gonzo trade is now validated. We got nothing of real value for one of the best players in baseball. That's encouraging. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 11:24:22 GMT -8
Well, did you expect anything else from the Padres front office?? Typical bait and switch. Make it look like you are trying to improve the team by acquiring a mediocre player with a name, (Quentin), then dump one of your top prospects for nothing. Moorad is the new Moores  If Mark Cuban buys the Dodgers, I will start rooting for the team I despised growing up  Sorry, but as a Padre Fan for nearly 40 years, I have had enough |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 23:34:17 GMT -8
Well this obvioulsy is in response to
A) the horrible season Rizzo had in the bigs
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B) the first baseman we got in the Latos deal.
With Blanks, Rizzo, Guzman and the new guy we had 4 first baseman.
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