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Post by aztecwin on Aug 9, 2010 13:53:45 GMT -8
xrl.us/bhvk2mObama care is going to force you to check into hospice care instead of into a hospital for health care. He wants you to "checkout" rather than get the needed but expensive care.
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 9, 2010 22:48:40 GMT -8
Sure glad we won't have Death Panels like those Europeans do...  |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 10, 2010 9:43:53 GMT -8
Sure glad we won't have Death Panels like those Europeans do... They were talking up the probability on 60 minutes on Sunday night. The topic was the tremendous waste of money keeping old people alive for just an additional few months at the end of their lives. Better yet to just let them die of whatever is killing them rather than prolong their lives at the expense of billions to the American Taxpayer. For myself, I would favor a decision that was cost effective as I have no great fear of death. My knees and ankles are so painful at times that I would welcome it (at that time. Mind you, I am not suicidal.) Now, if the Doctor told me that I was terminal, I might consider assisted suicide to make my final exit. If you are going to die, you are going to die. Why waste money extending the final pain you might be in with cancer or whatever. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 10, 2010 10:26:13 GMT -8
Sure glad we won't have Death Panels like those Europeans do... They were talking up the probability on 60 minutes on Sunday night. The topic was the tremendous waste of money keeping old people alive for just an additional few months at the end of their lives. Better yet to just let them die of whatever is killing them rather than prolong their lives at the expense of billions to the American Taxpayer. For myself, I would favor a decision that was cost effective as I have no great fear of death. My knees and ankles are so painful at times that I would welcome it (at that time. Mind you, I am not suicidal.) Now, if the Doctor told me that I was terminal, I might consider assisted suicide to make my final exit. If you are going to die, you are going to die. Why waste money extending the final pain you might be in with cancer or whatever. For me, it is the "slippery slope" aspect that bothers me. At what point should heroic measures (for a lack of a better term) cease in the eyes of a bureaucrat? At some pre-determined age? Not fair for someone who is rather strong at 90 (for example). When one has a prognosis of a certain number of months to live? How many months is that? And how many opinions are gathered for that assessment? Is it when the particular required procedure exceeds a certain dollar amount? What is that dollar amount? What if you can pay for heroic measures yourself? Are you still denied access to the services lest you take them from someone more "deserving" (as in some of the European and Canadian Nationalized Health Care systems)? Its that someone else is making the value judgments on what is a worthwhile life that gets into the ethical realm of fairness and undue Government power. Some people legitimately oppose Capital Punishment regardless of guilt for the same reasons. And when money becomes tighter and tighter as we go down the Alice in Wonderland Bunny Hole of increased Socialism and Globalization, watch the screws be tightened by Government in the game of "who lives and who dies". No thanks. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 10, 2010 12:35:46 GMT -8
And when money becomes tighter and tighter as we go down the Alice in Wonderland Bunny Hole of increased Socialism and Globalization, watch the screws be tightened by Government in the game of "who lives and who dies". No thanks. Alas, you are dead either way. Hopefully the Government will give us the option of being put to sleep, just like I have had my pets put to sleep when they were in severe pain. |
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Post by davdesid on Aug 10, 2010 13:28:14 GMT -8
Well, maybe all hospice facilities should be required to have Zyklon B shower facilities available. Maybe they could even find some kindly gentlemen who could hand out chocolates, and happen to resemble this guy:  |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 10, 2010 13:44:58 GMT -8
Well, maybe all hospice facilities should be required to have Zyklon B shower facilities available. Maybe they could even find some kindly gentlemen who could hand out chocolates, and happen to resemble this guy: Eichmann was the only man the Mossad got out of Latin America. For the most part the Mossad is a bunch of fuggups. To complete the job of dealing with the Top Nazi's who fled to Latin America, Israel went to their military intelligence and told them to kill all of those sons of bitches or get them to commit suicide. Either way they had to die to pay for their crimes against humanity. That is the reason why 124 of them died within a six year span. For the most part they were cowards, but they all knew why they were dying. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 10, 2010 13:47:26 GMT -8
Well, maybe all hospice facilities should be required to ...... Darn Right! Just an overdose of barbiturates would be fine, or an injection into an IV would be OK, too. Just as long as you can yawn, close your eyes and dream your way into eternity. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 10, 2010 14:02:30 GMT -8
I am absolutely sure that the vast majority of American voters in 2008, even lots and lots of McCain voters, had no real understanding of what was sure to happen under Obama. And they had plenty of warning from many of us who pointed out in detail what the man and his acolytes stood for.
The radical Left, which obviously provides the philosophical and ideological underpinning of Obamaism, is basically authoritarian to the point of rivaling some of the 20th Century's worst examples of police state tyranny. Are they advocating Auschwitz/Birkenau type extermination camps? No, not exactly. No need for that if you can mandate . . . repeat mandate . . . a system that makes sure that old people do not live one month longer than necessary. Necessary as defined by the self-righteous tyrants who will get to tell the rest of us how to live... . and die.
Individual freedom is obviously of little or no interest to Obama and those who stand with him. One has to wonder how long it will take for a majority of Americans to wise up to this. Since more and more Americans see themselves as totally dependent on the government for their well-being, I am not optimistic.
AzWm
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 10, 2010 14:21:47 GMT -8
And when money becomes tighter and tighter as we go down the Alice in Wonderland Bunny Hole of increased Socialism and Globalization, watch the screws be tightened by Government in the game of "who lives and who dies". No thanks. Alas, you are dead either way. Hopefully the Government will give us the option of being put to sleep, just like I have had my pets put to sleep when they were in severe pain. Soylent Green was way ahead of its time.... |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 10, 2010 16:11:19 GMT -8
Alas, you are dead either way. Hopefully the Government will give us the option of being put to sleep, just like I have had my pets put to sleep when they were in severe pain. Soylent Green was way ahead of its time.... I was trying to form a reply to Joe, but I was unable to keep from laughing at how Joe thinks of people in the same terms as he does his pets. I don't think it should be funny, but could not help but laugh. I think I better understand those burial mounds in his back yard. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 10, 2010 17:11:46 GMT -8
Soylent Green was way ahead of its time.... I was trying to form a reply to Joe, but I was unable to keep from laughing at how Joe thinks of people in the same terms as he does his pets. I don't think it should be funny, but could not help but laugh. I think I better understand those burial mounds in his back yard. 1. Win, I have had pets that I have loved more than many of my relatives. 2. If an animal that you love is in horrible pain and has lived a long life I consider it an act of love to take it to the vet and have it put to sleep as I pet its head showing my love and concern. Dogs give you love for just being a friend. 3. Most humans do not. Some people are so hateful, that if they want to prolong their pain and suffering with additional medical means, I wish them well. Granted, I hope they enjoy the few additional days they might get from the medical procedure that is prolonging their lives, knowing full well that they are also prolonging their pain and suffering needlessly. 4. Banana Trees, Win, Banana Trees. I would not be dumb enough to bury some of those scumbags who need to die in my back yard. That is what we have a desert for. Everybody buried out there gets three cactus planted above them (Head, Chest and Thighs. ) |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 10, 2010 17:16:19 GMT -8
I was trying to form a reply to Joe, but I was unable to keep from laughing at how Joe thinks of people in the same terms as he does his pets. I don't think it should be funny, but could not help but laugh. I think I better understand those burial mounds in his back yard. 1. Win, I have had pets that I have loved more than many of my relatives. 2. If an animal that you love is in horrible pain and has lived a long life I consider it an act of love to take it to the vet and have it put to sleep as I pet its head showing my love and concern. Dogs give you love for just being a friend. 3. Most humans do not. Some people are so hateful, that if they want to prolong their pain and suffering with additional medical means, I wish them well. Granted, I hope they enjoy the few additional days they might get from the medical procedure that is prolonging their lives, knowing full well that they are also prolonging their pain and suffering needlessly. 4. Banana Trees, Win, Banana Trees. I would not be dumb enough to bury some of those scumbags who need to die in my back yard. That is what we have a desert for. Everybody buried out there gets three cactus planted above them (Head, Chest and Thighs. ) I am sure glad you are back Joe!  |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 12, 2010 8:00:01 GMT -8
1. Win, I have had pets that I have loved more than many of my relatives. 2. If an animal that you love is in horrible pain and has lived a long life I consider it an act of love to take it to the vet and have it put to sleep as I pet its head showing my love and concern. Dogs give you love for just being a friend. 3. Most humans do not. Some people are so hateful, that if they want to prolong their pain and suffering with additional medical means, I wish them well. Granted, I hope they enjoy the few additional days they might get from the medical procedure that is prolonging their lives, knowing full well that they are also prolonging their pain and suffering needlessly. 4. Banana Trees, Win, Banana Trees. I would not be dumb enough to bury some of those scumbags who need to die in my back yard. That is what we have a desert for. Everybody buried out there gets three cactus planted above them (Head, Chest and Thighs. ) I am sure glad you are back Joe! I'm having fun again. Just as long as the PLC does not start their insane ranting and massive prevarication and provocation. I am getting used to (and better at) being a Born Again Liberal. Bob always called me a Nazi when I was a Born Again Conservative. (As I have told everybody, I am essentially APOLITICAL and if I vote, it is usually for the person instead of the political spew that comes from all politicians' mouths. I never listen intently to that stuff as most of it is lies that will never be acted on.) Now, if you guys want me to be a Born Again Conservative, I can assume that role, but there are too few Liberals on this board and if I post as a BAL, I think it will boost viewership. That is a good thing for any board. Soon, we will have the BYU faithful and the Wyoming Drunk-Cowboys and the the Air Force Zoomies on here because they can not find a better Off Topic board. Then it will be fun. You will know that I have reached Nirvana when people actually start believing that I believe what I type about politics and start to curse at me. Then we have reached exalted board status. Bob refuses to curse at me while I am a BAL. I think he is purplexed. He really should remove that comment about my book. I need the sales money to pay my wife's medical bills. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 12, 2010 11:06:51 GMT -8
I am sure glad you are back Joe! I'm having fun again. Just as long as the PLC does not start their insane ranting and massive prevarication and provocation. I am getting used to (and better at) being a Born Again Liberal. Bob always called me a Nazi when I was a Born Again Conservative. (As I have told everybody, I am essentially APOLITICAL and if I vote, it is usually for the person instead of the political spew that comes from all politicians' mouths. I never listen intently to that stuff as most of it is lies that will never be acted on.) Now, if you guys want me to be a Born Again Conservative, I can assume that role, but there are too few Liberals on this board and if I post as a BAL, I think it will boost viewership. That is a good thing for any board. Soon, we will have the BYU faithful and the Wyoming Drunk-Cowboys and the the Air Force Zoomies on here because they can not find a better Off Topic board. Then it will be fun. You will know that I have reached Nirvana when people actually start believing that I believe what I type about politics and start to curse at me. Then we have reached exalted board status. Bob refuses to curse at me while I am a BAL. I think he is purplexed. He really should remove that comment about my book. I need the sales money to pay my wife's medical bills. Don't change! You have made =Bob into your greastest fan.  |
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Post by aztec70 on Aug 14, 2010 23:45:09 GMT -8
I am absolutely sure that the vast majority of American voters in 2008, even lots and lots of McCain voters, had no real understanding of what was sure to happen under Obama. And they had plenty of warning from many of us who pointed out in detail what the man and his acolytes stood for. The radical Left, which obviously provides the philosophical and ideological underpinning of Obamaism, is basically authoritarian to the point of rivaling some of the 20th Century's worst examples of police state tyranny. Are they advocating Auschwitz/Birkenau type extermination camps? No, not exactly. No need for that if you can mandate . . . repeat mandate . . . a system that makes sure that old people do not live one month longer than necessary. Necessary as defined by the self-righteous tyrants who will get to tell the rest of us how to live... . and die. Individual freedom is obviously of little or no interest to Obama and those who stand with him. One has to wonder how long it will take for a majority of Americans to wise up to this. Since more and more Americans see themselves as totally dependent on the government for their well-being, I am not optimistic. AzWm Frothing at the mouth much? LOL |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 15, 2010 6:33:30 GMT -8
I am absolutely sure that the vast majority of American voters in 2008, even lots and lots of McCain voters, had no real understanding of what was sure to happen under Obama. And they had plenty of warning from many of us who pointed out in detail what the man and his acolytes stood for. The radical Left, which obviously provides the philosophical and ideological underpinning of Obamaism, is basically authoritarian to the point of rivaling some of the 20th Century's worst examples of police state tyranny. Are they advocating Auschwitz/Birkenau type extermination camps? No, not exactly. No need for that if you can mandate . . . repeat mandate . . . a system that makes sure that old people do not live one month longer than necessary. Necessary as defined by the self-righteous tyrants who will get to tell the rest of us how to live... . and die. Individual freedom is obviously of little or no interest to Obama and those who stand with him. One has to wonder how long it will take for a majority of Americans to wise up to this. Since more and more Americans see themselves as totally dependent on the government for their well-being, I am not optimistic. AzWm Frothing at the mouth much? LOL What is it you like about sending your Mother to her early grave? |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 15, 2010 8:56:40 GMT -8
What is it you like about sending your Mother to her early grave? How early? Does it matter? I hope you are not trying to place a monetary value on the life span of your Mother. There are qauality of life questions, but being OK with having her check out rather than get health care is really shallow. It could be a few weeks, or it could be many years. |
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Post by aztec70 on Aug 15, 2010 10:17:21 GMT -8
Frothing at the mouth much? LOL What is it you like about sending your Mother to her early grave? Another typically ignorant statement from you. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 15, 2010 12:04:55 GMT -8
What is it you like about sending your Mother to her early grave? Another typically ignorant statement from you.  No answer again? |
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No answer again?