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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 8:29:00 GMT -8
Where do you anticipate the payroll being on Opening Day? I believe you said north of $50MM? Or right at fifty? I'm going to say $45MM, tops. We'll see if Moorad is a man of his word, and it "starts with a five". With arbitration raises, it may get to $50MM, but there will be no fresh talent brought in, I am sure of that. Padres Rumors: Latos, Headley, Bartlett, Hudson By Mike Axisa [December 15 at 11:48am CST] Last week we heard that the Padres aren't shopping right-hander Mat Latos, but today Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reminds us that the team isn't in the position to rule anything out. Here are Rosenthal's rumors out of San Diego...Byrnes is "willing to talk about every player on his roster" and other clubs are inquiring about Latos, but Rosenthal reiterates that the 24-year-old isn't being shopped. Third baseman Chase Headley is the player most in demand and most likely to be traded. The Tigers have interest in him, but the Padres are said to be asking for "the moon." Jason Bartlett and Orlando Hudson are very available, but they're also drawing very little interest. Rosenthal expects the Padres to be active at some point in soon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 8:29:35 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 16, 2011 9:54:15 GMT -8
I've heard/read 55 million, so that's what I'm going with. Realistically, the sale has to be completed to judge the product, IMO. Moores is still the majority owner.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 16, 2011 22:18:53 GMT -8
I've heard/read 55 million, so that's what I'm going with. Realistically, the sale has to be completed to judge the product, IMO. That's YEARS off. So we're supposed to put up with a crap AAA+ roster in the meantime? Really? How the hell did MLB allow this sale to go through???
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 16, 2011 23:18:37 GMT -8
Nobody said you had to put up with anything. In fact, if you have Cox, you won't see any Padre games this season.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 16, 2011 23:22:59 GMT -8
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 16, 2011 23:51:16 GMT -8
Nobody said you had to put up with anything. They're the only Major League option in San Diego. Well, supposedly a Major League option, anyway... Kind of sad. I live just outside the county, so I'm stuck with L.A. stuff on TV (even though driving into San Diego is quicker and easier than getting to the Big A or Dodger Stadium). But, frankly, I've been tired of the inequities of Major League Baseball for years, and I haven't followed MLB all that closely since '98. Once the Pads sold off their talent and replaced it with lesser talent I lost interest. And each year it's the same old thing - lose a rising star or a player that they've developed into a major contributor, and replace him with a scrub. I'm sick of it. The only time the team is any good is when management gets lucky and the team chemistry is good. They certainly haven't had equal talent to the top 5 or 6 teams in the NL since '98. It's a joke. A bad one. Until there is greater revenue sharing and a stronger salary cap in baseball you're going to have the kind of crap we've seen from the Padres (for over a decade now) continue. And you'll never be able to convince me that Jeff Moorad had any business buying this team. He didn't have the money. Period. He's Tom Werner all over again, only worse (less money on hand). MLB must really hate San Diego...
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 20, 2011 16:10:56 GMT -8
The rest of the Padres' current roster is packed with players with less than three years experience. Even with the minimum wage rising from $416,000 to $480,000 in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, the Padres total payroll as it stands now is around $32 million. "Around" is the key word. Source[/b] Pitchers [/td][td] 2012 Salary ($1,000) [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Anthony Bass, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Brad Brach, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Ernesto Frieri, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Luke Gregerson, [/td][td] 1,300 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Cory Luebke, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Clayton Richard, [/td][td] 2,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Dustin Moseley, [/td][td] 1,800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Edison Volquez, [/td][td] 2,300 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Josh Spence, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Tim Stauffer, [/td][td] 3,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Huston Street, [/td][td] 7,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Joe Thatcher, [/td][td] 800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Infielders [/td][td] [/td][/tr] [tr][td] John Baker, [/td][td] 800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Nick Hundley, [/td][td] 1,600 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Yonder Alonso [/td][td] 1,400 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Jason Bartlett, [/td][td] 5,500 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Jesus Guzman, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Chase Headley, [/td][td] 3,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Orlando Hudson, [/td][td] 5,500 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Logan Forsythe, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Outfielders [/td][td] [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Kyle Blanks, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Chris Denorfia, [/td][td] 1,165 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Mark Kotsay, [/td][td] 1,250 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Cameron Maybin, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Will Venable, [/td][td] 1,800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] TOTAL [/td][td] 44,585 [/td][/tr][/table] We are close to $50,000K already.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 20, 2011 21:15:54 GMT -8
The rest of the Padres' current roster is packed with players with less than three years experience. Even with the minimum wage rising from $416,000 to $480,000 in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, the Padres total payroll as it stands now is around $32 million. "Around" is the key word. Source[/b] Pitchers [/td][td] 2012 Salary ($1,000) [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Anthony Bass, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Brad Brach, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Ernesto Frieri, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Luke Gregerson, [/td][td] 1,300 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Cory Luebke, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Clayton Richard, [/td][td] 2,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Dustin Moseley, [/td][td] 1,800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Edison Volquez, [/td][td] 2,300 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Josh Spence, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Tim Stauffer, [/td][td] 3,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Huston Street, [/td][td] 7,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Joe Thatcher, [/td][td] 800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Infielders [/td][td] [/td][/tr] [tr][td] John Baker, [/td][td] 800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Nick Hundley, [/td][td] 1,600 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Yonder Alonso [/td][td] 1,400 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Jason Bartlett, [/td][td] 5,500 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Jesus Guzman, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Chase Headley, [/td][td] 3,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Orlando Hudson, [/td][td] 5,500 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Logan Forsythe, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Outfielders [/td][td] [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Kyle Blanks, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Chris Denorfia, [/td][td] 1,165 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Mark Kotsay, [/td][td] 1,250 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Cameron Maybin, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Will Venable, [/td][td] 1,800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] TOTAL [/td][td] 44,585 [/td][/tr][/table] We are close to $50,000K already. [/quote] That's still about $30 MILLION below the league average. This team CAN afford league average. Well, they could if they had an owner who wasn't siphoning off team revenue (that should be going to players salaries) into paying the previous owner for his shares of the team. How the hell did MLB approve this sale? Ownership is a joke and so is the league as a whole. They need to get a clue and look at the NFL. There's a reason why the NFL overtook MLB as the #1 sport in America decades ago, and why the gap has widened every year since then. In the NFL teams are as good as their GM's. They all have about the same money to spend on salary, so there is a level playing field. Any team can win the Super Bowl, and any team can become a dynasty if they have good leadership. Not so in MLB. The bottom teams can only be good if they get lucky and have multiple prospects hit at once - and even then they can only be good for a short period of time because the system is set up so that these teams are basically farm teams for the Big Boys. While MLB can't share revenue exactly as the NFL does they COULD share a lot more than they do (take 50% of each team's local TV & Radio revenues and put it in a pot to distribute evenly among ALL teams). This would still leave the Big Boys with more money, but not so much more that the mid and small market teams can't compete to keep their own star players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 21:25:21 GMT -8
"Around" is the key word. Source[/b] Pitchers [/td][td] 2012 Salary ($1,000) [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Anthony Bass, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Brad Brach, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Ernesto Frieri, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Luke Gregerson, [/td][td] 1,300 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Cory Luebke, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Clayton Richard, [/td][td] 2,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Dustin Moseley, [/td][td] 1,800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Edison Volquez, [/td][td] 2,300 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Josh Spence, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Tim Stauffer, [/td][td] 3,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Huston Street, [/td][td] 7,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Joe Thatcher, [/td][td] 800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Infielders [/td][td] [/td][/tr] [tr][td] John Baker, [/td][td] 800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Nick Hundley, [/td][td] 1,600 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Yonder Alonso [/td][td] 1,400 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Jason Bartlett, [/td][td] 5,500 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Jesus Guzman, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Chase Headley, [/td][td] 3,000 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Orlando Hudson, [/td][td] 5,500 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Logan Forsythe, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Outfielders [/td][td] [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Kyle Blanks, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Chris Denorfia, [/td][td] 1,165 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Mark Kotsay, [/td][td] 1,250 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Cameron Maybin, [/td][td] 480 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] Will Venable, [/td][td] 1,800 [/td][/tr] [tr][td] TOTAL [/td][td] 44,585 [/td][/tr][/table] We are close to $50,000K already. [/quote] That's still about $30 MILLION below the league average. This team CAN afford league average. Well, they could if they had an owner who wasn't siphoning off team revenue (that should be going to players salaries) into paying the previous owner for his shares of the team. How the hell did MLB approve this sale? Ownership is a joke and so is the league as a whole. They need to get a clue and look at the NFL. There's a reason why the NFL overtook MLB as the #1 sport in America decades ago, and why the gap has widened every year since then. In the NFL teams are as good as their GM's. They all have about the same money to spend on salary, so there is a level playing field. Any team can win the Super Bowl, and any team can become a dynasty if they have good leadership. Not so in MLB. The bottom teams can only be good if they get lucky and have multiple prospects hit at once - and even then they can only be good for a short period of time because the system is set up so that these teams are basically farm teams for the Big Boys. While MLB can't share revenue exactly as the NFL does they COULD share a lot more than they do (take 50% of each team's local TV & Radio revenues and put it in a pot to distribute evenly among ALL teams). This would still leave the Big Boys with more money, but not so much more that the mid and small market teams can't compete to keep their own star players.[/quote] I haven't read it all, but the recently agreed upon MLB CBA is supposed to be much improved on rev sharing. Will it close the gap? No. But the "small" market teams are required to spend more of the rev dollars on payroll and operation costs.....and the top 15 markets will not get anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 21:28:27 GMT -8
Revenue Sharing A market disqualification test is added, in which teams in the 15 largest markets (both teams from New York, Los Angeles and Chicago along with Atlanta, Boston, Houston, Oakland, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Texas, Toronto and Washington) will gradually become ineligible to be net revenue-sharing receivers. The largest 15 markets lose 25 percent of revenue-sharing proceeds in 2013, 50 percent each in 2014, 75 percent in 2015 and 100 percent in 2016. The money the teams would have been eligible to receive but don't goes back to the payer clubs pro rata, but only if the payer clubs are under the $189 million luxury tax threshold starting in 2014. A provision says Oakland will remain eligible as long as its ballpark situation remains unresolved. espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7272337/details-baseball-new-labor-deal
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 20, 2011 21:35:03 GMT -8
Revenue Sharing A market disqualification test is added, in which teams in the 15 largest markets (both teams from New York, Los Angeles and Chicago along with Atlanta, Boston, Houston, Oakland, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Texas, Toronto and Washington) will gradually become ineligible to be net revenue-sharing receivers. The largest 15 markets lose 25 percent of revenue-sharing proceeds in 2013, 50 percent each in 2014, 75 percent in 2015 and 100 percent in 2016. The money the teams would have been eligible to receive but don't goes back to the payer clubs pro rata, but only if the payer clubs are under the $189 million luxury tax threshold starting in 2014. A provision says Oakland will remain eligible as long as its ballpark situation remains unresolved. espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7272337/details-baseball-new-labor-dealOn the surface, that just seems too complicated. It almost seems like a tax code where there are loopholes to get out of paying the tax... Leave it to MLB to make a mess even messier.
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 21, 2011 12:00:37 GMT -8
Revenue Sharing A market disqualification test is added, in which teams in the 15 largest markets (both teams from New York, Los Angeles and Chicago along with Atlanta, Boston, Houston, Oakland, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Texas, Toronto and Washington) will gradually become ineligible to be net revenue-sharing receivers. The largest 15 markets lose 25 percent of revenue-sharing proceeds in 2013, 50 percent each in 2014, 75 percent in 2015 and 100 percent in 2016. The money the teams would have been eligible to receive but don't goes back to the payer clubs pro rata, but only if the payer clubs are under the $189 million luxury tax threshold starting in 2014. A provision says Oakland will remain eligible as long as its ballpark situation remains unresolved. espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7272337/details-baseball-new-labor-dealOn the surface, that just seems too complicated. It almost seems like a tax code where there are loopholes to get out of paying the tax... Leave it to MLB to make a mess even messier. Seems pretty simple. They are cutting out the top half of baseball in revenue sharing, thereby reducing the amount the top teams have to pay.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 18:40:39 GMT -8
WTF is this, spammer? Get lost.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 23, 2011 18:52:24 GMT -8
I don't know what's more annoying, you lumping me in with Bill or the spammer.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 23, 2011 19:33:59 GMT -8
Well, the spam has been removed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 2:38:01 GMT -8
I don't know what's more annoying, you lumping me in with Bill or the spammer. Ryan, you're my boy. It's nothing personal, I assure you. I got respect for you...i just think you refuse to criticize anything the Pads do. As for the spammer...some guy came on this thread posting spam, but has since been deleted.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 24, 2011 9:47:23 GMT -8
Well here are some criticisms that I have right now so we can put my reputation to rest...I think the Padres should trade Headley. I think his value is pretty high, and I'm disappointed a deal wasn't done during the winter meetings. Disappointed that we shuffle through hitting coaches year after year, without realizing the problem is not the coach, but the hitter. Not a fan of the new Denorfia/Venable platoon. I like "Deno", scrappy guy who hustles, but both are nothing more than 4th outfielders. I'm praying we find a trade for Orlando Hudson. Guy needs a change of scenery, lack of effort last year, concentration and his clubhouse reputation rumors bother me. The Padres need more veteran leadership in the clubhouse. Losing Bell was the right move (based on his contract) but we will miss that veteran presence. My first thought on the Latos trade was outrage, when I was told by a buddy we traded him. I was very skeptical/critical of letting go a young pitcher under club control with true ace potential. In retrospect, I think it's a nice haul of really talented players, but I don't know if Grandal can stick behind the dish athletically/arm/defense-wise. Time will tell, but that trade may take a ding because of that. Oh yeah, ot a major fan of the Huston Street signing, think it was a slight overpay. I think he'll do decently in Petco though.
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Post by AztecBill on Jan 3, 2012 10:15:32 GMT -8
Well here are some criticisms that I have right now so we can put my reputation to rest...I think the Padres should trade Headley. I think his value is pretty high, and I'm disappointed a deal wasn't done during the winter meetings. Disappointed that we shuffle through hitting coaches year after year, without realizing the problem is not the coach, but the hitter. Not a fan of the new Denorfia/Venable platoon. I like "Deno", scrappy guy who hustles, but both are nothing more than 4th outfielders. I'm praying we find a trade for Orlando Hudson. Guy needs a change of scenery, lack of effort last year, concentration and his clubhouse reputation rumors bother me. The Padres need more veteran leadership in the clubhouse. Losing Bell was the right move (based on his contract) but we will miss that veteran presence. My first thought on the Latos trade was outrage, when I was told by a buddy we traded him. I was very skeptical/critical of letting go a young pitcher under club control with true ace potential. In retrospect, I think it's a nice haul of really talented players, but I don't know if Grandal can stick behind the dish athletically/arm/defense-wise. Time will tell, but that trade may take a ding because of that. Oh yeah, ot a major fan of the Huston Street signing, think it was a slight overpay. I think he'll do decently in Petco though. I disagree on Headly. He is exactly the type of hitting the Padres need. He is exactly the type of player the Padres need. He should be signed to a long term contract. I think his value is much more than people think and he is more valuable to the Padres than he would be to other teams because of his style of hitting.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 3, 2012 17:47:37 GMT -8
What's his style of hitting? He only hit .243 at home last season. Doesn't provide any power at a power position.
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