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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 8:51:20 GMT -8
Padres Acquire Huston Street
By Tim Dierkes [December 7 at 10:12am CST]
The Padres found their Heath Bell replacement, acquiring closer Huston Street from the division-rival Rockies for a minor leaguer (others suggest a player to be named later). MLB.com's Thomas Harding tweeted the agreement, while Danny Knobler, Scott Miller, and Buster Olney contributed to the breaking story. Harding says the Padres will pay most of the $8MM guaranteed to Street.
Street, 28, posted a 3.86 ERA, 8.5 K/9, 1.4 BB/9, 1.54 HR/9, and 34.9% groundball rate in 58 1/3 innings for the Rockies this year, saving 29 games in 33 attempts. The move to Petco Park should help Street's home run rate, and if he has a big year he could decline his $9MM player option for 2013 and test the open market. Street had a DL stint for triceps soreness in August, during which the Rockies realized Rafael Betancourt could be an effective closer. The move appears to be mostly a salary dump for Colorado, and the team now has more money to pursue a starting pitcher such as Hiroki Kuroda. For fantasy analysis of the deal, check out Bryan Grosnick's latest at CloserNews.
This marks Josh Byrnes' second trade since taking over as Padres GM, as he acquired catcher John Baker from Miami in November.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 8:52:20 GMT -8
Very average closer. Not great, not bad.
Not worth his salary.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 7, 2011 10:09:23 GMT -8
So we go from one of the 2 or 3 best closers to an average closer.
WAY TO GO PADRES!!!!
Of course, with such a crappy line-up Street may not need to save too many games...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 10:10:38 GMT -8
Why spend so much money for a closer that is going to get such little opportunity?
I'd rather have an 8 million dollar short stop than an 8 million dollar closer. any day of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 11:01:45 GMT -8
Why spend so much money for a closer that is going to get such little opportunity? I'd rather have an 8 million dollar short stop than an 8 million dollar closer. any day of the week. Me too. I would have moved Gregerson to closer, and brought in TWO middle relievers for a couple mill each. It's been proven you can find good relievers with proper scouting and attention, on the cheap. |
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 7, 2011 13:23:56 GMT -8
2.15 ERA for Street on the road last year.
2.88 ERA for Bell on the road last year.
With the players playing at Coors and Petco, does anyone think the above numbers are not significant.
Age
28 Street
34 Bell
Street will get paid $7.5 Million this year, same as Bell last year. The club has a $500,000 buyout for 2013. The Padres will buyout the contract and offer arbitration which, after it is declined, will net them a first round draft pick or maybe even two. Smart move. Good pitcher.
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 7, 2011 13:29:46 GMT -8
Why spend so much money for a closer that is going to get such little opportunity? I'd rather have an 8 million dollar short stop than an 8 million dollar closer. any day of the week. That is what the Rockies were thinking. The Padres did get cash in the deal too. So not all of his $7.5 million salary is going to count. |
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 7, 2011 13:30:28 GMT -8
Why spend so much money for a closer that is going to get such little opportunity? I'd rather have an 8 million dollar short stop than an 8 million dollar closer. any day of the week. Me too. I would have moved Gregerson to closer, and brought in TWO middle relievers for a couple mill each. It's been proven you can find good relievers with proper scouting and attention, on the cheap. You tend to get what you pay for. That has been your complaint. I hope Gregerson comes back and pitches well this year. There are those who think his best days are behind him. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 15:11:25 GMT -8
Me too. I would have moved Gregerson to closer, and brought in TWO middle relievers for a couple mill each. It's been proven you can find good relievers with proper scouting and attention, on the cheap. You tend to get what you pay for. That has been your complaint. I hope Gregerson comes back and pitches well this year. There are those who think his best days are behind him. You make good sense with the road ERA, that's a given with a guy from Colorado. But if the teams overall payroll is going to be in the range of $45M to $50M, does it make sense to you to use 1/10th on a guy who might pitch 3 times a week, max? Those resources could be better spent on a much needed offensive player. You gotta get creative with the 'pen when you're as cheap as the Moorad ownership. This was NOT creative. Also, remember that draft pick compensation is different under the new CBA. Bell wasn't Type A, and I don't expect Street will be. If we're lucky, Street becomes a "modified" type A and we get a sandwich pick. Big deal. |
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 8, 2011 13:54:09 GMT -8
You tend to get what you pay for. That has been your complaint. I hope Gregerson comes back and pitches well this year. There are those who think his best days are behind him. You make good sense with the road ERA, that's a given with a guy from Colorado. But if the teams overall payroll is going to be in the range of $45M to $50M, does it make sense to you to use 1/10th on a guy who might pitch 3 times a week, max? Those resources could be better spent on a much needed offensive player. You gotta get creative with the 'pen when you're as cheap as the Moorad ownership. This was NOT creative. Also, remember that draft pick compensation is different under the new CBA. Bell wasn't Type A, and I don't expect Street will be. If we're lucky, Street becomes a "modified" type A and we get a sandwich pick. Big deal. $7.5 with $1 million back from the Rockies. Bargin. He will be good for the Padres. Payroll will begin with a "5" - not $45-$50. More like $50-$59 |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 8, 2011 14:54:03 GMT -8
I believe opening day's payroll is supposed to be around 55.
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 9, 2011 16:41:39 GMT -8
You tend to get what you pay for. That has been your complaint. I hope Gregerson comes back and pitches well this year. There are those who think his best days are behind him. You make good sense with the road ERA, that's a given with a guy from Colorado. But if the teams overall payroll is going to be in the range of $45M to $50M, does it make sense to you to use 1/10th on a guy who might pitch 3 times a week, max? Those resources could be better spent on a much needed offensive player. You gotta get creative with the 'pen when you're as cheap as the Moorad ownership. This was NOT creative. Also, remember that draft pick compensation is different under the new CBA. Bell wasn't Type A, and I don't expect Street will be. If we're lucky, Street becomes a "modified" type A and we get a sandwich pick. Big deal. Bell was a type "A". We get a modified return because Miami was not a top 15 team. That is why we get their 2nd round pick instead of their top pick. If a top 15 team signed Bell we would have got their top pick. The Sandwich pick we got, he would have either way. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 17:00:15 GMT -8
Here's the facts on the pick: Bell was a Type A free agent heading into the offseason, and under the old collective bargaining agreement, the Padres would've been entitled to a first-round compensation pick and the Marlins' second round pick (their first-rounder is protected). Under the new CBA, however, the Padres still get that first round compensation pick but the Marlins don't have to give up a draft pick for Bell. Instead, San Diego will receive the pick in the slot directly in front of the Marlins' second-round selection, so this means the Padres are slated to pick ninth overall in the second round. Miami retains its second round pick and just gets bumped down to the tenth selection of the second round. www.mlbtraderumors.com/heath_bell/ |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 9, 2011 17:22:59 GMT -8
The PTBNL in the Street deal was former first-rounder Nick Schmidt.
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 12, 2011 11:27:07 GMT -8
Here's the facts on the pick: Bell was a Type A free agent heading into the offseason, and under the old collective bargaining agreement, the Padres would've been entitled to a first-round compensation pick and the Marlins' second round pick (their first-rounder is protected). Under the new CBA, however, the Padres still get that first round compensation pick but the Marlins don't have to give up a draft pick for Bell. Instead, San Diego will receive the pick in the slot directly in front of the Marlins' second-round selection, so this means the Padres are slated to pick ninth overall in the second round. Miami retains its second round pick and just gets bumped down to the tenth selection of the second round. www.mlbtraderumors.com/heath_bell/Thanks for the info. SO for the Padres it makes no difference. For Bell and the Marlins they retain their pick so Bell becomes more valuable. Good change. Losing a pick makes free agents value less than reality. They should get full market value. |
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 12, 2011 11:28:25 GMT -8
The PTBNL in the Street deal was former first-rounder Nick Schmidt. Not a great loss. Nick showed signs of finally being healthy but at 24 years old in "A", it wasn't close to definitive. |
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