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Post by steveaztec on Sept 8, 2009 20:32:05 GMT -8
Fact is... You can make comments like above (which I disagree with all of your points by the way) on this board. The MOD on this board will let you talk and not delete or move your post to make it out of context. Not so on Aztectalk.com. If the MOD disagrees with you or doesn't like your post, he will delete it or move it to change the message of the post.....(Aztec Sports Or Otherwise) I'm sure you get that, don't you =Bob? You wrote: -Zip is an ultra lib and I am a conservative and he changes only my post about Chuck Long (which didn't even support Chuck Long) to another thread to make it look like I started a love Chuck Long thread Please explain to me how I should interpret that statement other than assuming you believe Zip moved your post because he doesn't agree with your political views. I understand the games you like to play, Steve, and on this right-wing dominated forum, you are playing the victim's game because you know that Pooh, Dave and William will offer you all sorts of sympathy that you don't deserve. Note that I did write that Zip was mistaken in not explaining to you, either by PM or in public, why he moved it. But while I consider it a mistake for him to have not done that, I do not believe for a second that it was done for political reasons and your whining on here that it was done as such is rather pathetic. =Bob Sure Bob. I can explain that comment, but you have to concentrate while you read. You just quoted one of three comments I made from my post. In those 3 comments I said... 1. Zip does not like to hear right wing views, therefore closed down the political board. 2. Zip didn't like my comments about Chuck Long and moved my posts to distort what I was saying. ___________________________________________________ The two posts above are very clear and in no way could be interpreted that he moved my football post for political reasons. ____________________________________________________ 3. My third comment is totally different than points 1 & 2. I am very curious as to why I was the only one that had his post moved who commented about Chuck Long. It says that I am one of the most consistent posters for 7 years.....yet he moves it anyway without even informing me (The only such post ever to my knowledge). Could points 1 and 2 possibly be connected? (PS..You don't think I know Zips views on politics? Are you kidding me?) ***By the way =Bob. I just went back and checked my posts on this board. I have 60 posts overall and 11 of them are on Zip. 7 of those 11 are answering you about the situation. Not quite "all", as you said in your posts.
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 9, 2009 8:57:22 GMT -8
Yea...but look on the bright side..Aztec Joe is mostly gone!! The guy was allowed to run roughshod over the last board. He even made comments over the last 3 years that could get you arrested. Somebody had to get a handle on that guy. I thought Joe was ok. Posters always have the option to not read someones posts. I didn't see the "arrested" posts, but then again I read very little of what he posted.
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 9, 2009 15:58:34 GMT -8
Yea...but look on the bright side..Aztec Joe is mostly gone!! The guy was allowed to run roughshod over the last board. He even made comments over the last 3 years that could get you arrested. Somebody had to get a handle on that guy. Joe is around.
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 9, 2009 16:10:40 GMT -8
Yea...but look on the bright side..Aztec Joe is mostly gone!! The guy was allowed to run roughshod over the last board. He even made comments over the last 3 years that could get you arrested. Somebody had to get a handle on that guy. As far as I'm concerned, Pooh is far worse than Joe because Pooh is not the idiot that Joe is. Pooh loves to play his games and has tried to game me up one side and down the other on the AT Off-topic forum and is pissed that I won't allow him to do so. Needless to say, he has resorted to the "free speech" argument as well as the "victim" argument in a ridiculous claim that the 1st Amendment guarantees he can write whatever he wants. Typical of the right wing - deny others their speech rights while claiming that he's being persecuted. Simple fact is this - Zip runs the board, Zip makes the rules. The rules are "no politics or religion". Pooh pushes it because he always games the system. Steve pushes it because he has some sort of persecution complex. As a friend of ours at DPLU likes to say - "life is short, snakes are long". =Bob Putting forth difficult questions is hardly gaming. I had hoped that Zip would see fit to include a political board that could be harmless to him no matter what was posted but he does not care to it appears. I had also pointed out that having a pretty smart, but Napoleon like person run a portion of the board was foolish since late night decisions might not be very well thought out. I would not take that task on for someone else nor would I run an entire board myself. Zip and William have stepped up and in your foggy sort of way so have you. Steve may have hit on why Zip does not want the political side of things when his point of view is no longer very popular. Maybe not, but I wonder about the moving and deleting of posts without notice. For you, Bob, it has been explained pretty well.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Sept 10, 2009 8:36:21 GMT -8
... Steve may have hit on why Zip does not want the political side of things when his point of view is no longer very popular. ... LOL. Zip's views are no longer popular? Ha Ha. That is why we have a Republican in the White House right now. Oh, oops! We don't. Obama was elected because the country was sick of the way the Republican party had run the country for the previious 8 years. The "Silent Majority" is now on the other side of the isle.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 10, 2009 9:38:25 GMT -8
... Steve may have hit on why Zip does not want the political side of things when his point of view is no longer very popular. ... LOL. Zip's views are no longer popular? Ha Ha. That is why we have a Republican in the White House right now. Oh, oops! We don't. Obama was elected because the country was sick of the way the Republican party had run the country for the previious 8 years. The "Silent Majority" is now on the other side of the isle. But don't forget that last year (i.e., the '08 election) is so, well, so last year! Plenty has changed since then. Why is it that health care (or is it health care insurance) reform was not passed months ago? Why is it that the polls show Obama and the Congress to be in serious trouble? Politics is a business that does not change at a glacial rate. Even in a month there can be significant shift in public opinion. And six months? That's half an eternity in political terms. Barack Obama has made serious political mistakes which have done his presidency real damage. He may learn from this and move on and achieve great things, but right now he has made a significant Republican comeback in 2010 a real possibility. There you have it; my opinion for what it's worth! AzWm
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Sept 10, 2009 10:48:47 GMT -8
There you have it; my opinion for what it's worth! AzWm Your opinion is worth as much as mine is. I even, sometimes, agree with it.
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 10, 2009 10:52:17 GMT -8
... Steve may have hit on why Zip does not want the political side of things when his point of view is no longer very popular. ... LOL. Zip's views are no longer popular? Ha Ha. That is why we have a Republican in the White House right now. Oh, oops! We don't. Obama was elected because the country was sick of the way the Republican party had run the country for the previious 8 years. The "Silent Majority" is now on the other side of the isle. I am afraid you are whistling in the dark. That huge silent middle group is jumping the Obama ship at an breakneck rate.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 10, 2009 16:48:24 GMT -8
As far as I'm concerned, Pooh is far worse than Joe because Pooh is not the idiot that Joe is. Pooh loves to play his games and has tried to game me up one side and down the other on the AT Off-topic forum and is pissed that I won't allow him to do so. Needless to say, he has resorted to the "free speech" argument as well as the "victim" argument in a ridiculous claim that the 1st Amendment guarantees he can write whatever he wants. Typical of the right wing - deny others their speech rights while claiming that he's being persecuted. Simple fact is this - Zip runs the board, Zip makes the rules. The rules are "no politics or religion". Pooh pushes it because he always games the system. Steve pushes it because he has some sort of persecution complex. As a friend of ours at DPLU likes to say - "life is short, snakes are long". =Bob Putting forth difficult questions is hardly gaming. I had hoped that Zip would see fit to include a political board that could be harmless to him no matter what was posted but he does not care to it appears. I had also pointed out that having a pretty smart, but Napoleon like person run a portion of the board was foolish since late night decisions might not be very well thought out. I would not take that task on for someone else nor would I run an entire board myself. Zip and William have stepped up and in your foggy sort of way so have you. Steve may have hit on why Zip does not want the political side of things when his point of view is no longer very popular. Maybe not, but I wonder about the moving and deleting of posts without notice. For you, Bob, it has been explained pretty well. And as I've stated, I was also arguing for a political forum; far more than you were, in fact. I don't recall you saying much of anything about it. Your continued references to "late-night decisions" is one of the reasons I state you're playing a game. I am never on any forum late at night. Once I'm done on here, I'll check O-T one more time and I won't be on again until around 7 am. Your second paragraph is just so much crap. Yeah, you've explained it really well. You've lied about me deleting a phantom thread and you've lied about me deleting your posts inside a thread. To date, I have deleted some posts of mine and Bruce's because it was hijacking a thread. I deleted a thread of yours because you decided to disparage liberals, thereby making it political. And I edited a post to take out a reference to Teddy Kennedy because it was political. That is all I have done. You couldn't get any traction by lying about me deleting your phantom thread so you then decided to claim that I had deleted some of your and my posts. It is amazing to me that a so-called "Christian" would find it cute to lie. =Bob
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 10, 2009 16:53:40 GMT -8
LOL. Zip's views are no longer popular? Ha Ha. That is why we have a Republican in the White House right now. Oh, oops! We don't. Obama was elected because the country was sick of the way the Republican party had run the country for the previious 8 years. The "Silent Majority" is now on the other side of the isle. But don't forget that last year (i.e., the '08 election) is so, well, so last year! Plenty has changed since then. Why is it that health care (or is it health care insurance) reform was not passed months ago? Why is it that the polls show Obama and the Congress to be in serious trouble? AzWm RCP shows Obama with an average 52 percent job approval rating. Most certainly down, but hardly showing him to be in "serious trouble". The right-wingnuts damn well better be praying that the job numbers don't get better before 2012, because right now, it's nothing but the job numbers that are dragging Obama down. =Bob
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 10, 2009 16:54:32 GMT -8
LOL. Zip's views are no longer popular? Ha Ha. That is why we have a Republican in the White House right now. Oh, oops! We don't. Obama was elected because the country was sick of the way the Republican party had run the country for the previious 8 years. The "Silent Majority" is now on the other side of the isle. I am afraid you are whistling in the dark. That huge silent middle group is jumping the Obama ship at an breakneck rate. Um, right. I'm sure that's what the latest WND poll is telling you. =Bob
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 10, 2009 17:07:53 GMT -8
As far as I'm concerned, Pooh is far worse than Joe because Pooh is not the idiot that Joe is. Pooh loves to play his games and has tried to game me up one side and down the other on the AT Off-topic forum and is pissed that I won't allow him to do so. Needless to say, he has resorted to the "free speech" argument as well as the "victim" argument in a ridiculous claim that the 1st Amendment guarantees he can write whatever he wants. Typical of the right wing - deny others their speech rights while claiming that he's being persecuted. Simple fact is this - Zip runs the board, Zip makes the rules. The rules are "no politics or religion". Pooh pushes it because he always games the system. Steve pushes it because he has some sort of persecution complex. As a friend of ours at DPLU likes to say - "life is short, snakes are long". =Bob What did I "push" on that board? I had an opinion on an Aztec coach and expressed it. That is "pushing" what? Bottom line =Bob. You are right.....Zips board, Zips rules. I told him that in my PM. He left it up to me to decide....I did. I just want to know why he hasn't enforced his rules on everyone else like he did me. So lets see Bob......150 other posters have posted pretty much the same thing I did and didn't have their posts moved........But mine got moved.......So I? have a persecution complex? No, no persecution complex....I think it is pretty clear that I am on to something. Nice logic =Bob. I have agreed that he made a mistake by not explaining up front and by PM why he did that. That being said, when you attempt to complain that Zip did it because he doesn't like your political views (and I have to tell ya, Steve, as much as I like you your political views border on the high school level of understanding compared to Pooh, Stu or Dave), is nonsensical. He did explain it to you, even though it was too little, too late. It was your decision, as you state, to not accept the explanation. But please don't attempt to tell me you weren't having a lot of fun with your Long posts. Anyone who brought up Long in any context was likely to get a response from you about how it wasn't you but "them" who were keeping it going. And please don't forget the rather large number of PMs we traded while the fight over Long was occurring (or that I was just about your only ally). It's pretty clear to me that you do, in fact, treat it as a game, but it's also clear to me that you believe what you write, just as I did when I was stating Long should have another year if he brought in new coordinators. I don't put you in the same category as Pooh, because I'm not sure Pooh really believes in much of anything other than being pious enough to get into Heaven. Unlike him, you do not lie in pathetic attempts to gain an advantage. Having said that, however, I do think you misinterpreted Zip's intentions, wrong as they were. And you might want to consider one other thing - perhaps your stance regarding Zip's splitting that thread has caused him to be more cautious about doing it again, even though as best I recall, he has never done it in the past no matter what a poster's political affiliation happened to be. =Bob
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 11, 2009 11:26:32 GMT -8
What did I "push" on that board? I had an opinion on an Aztec coach and expressed it. That is "pushing" what? Bottom line =Bob. You are right.....Zips board, Zips rules. I told him that in my PM. He left it up to me to decide....I did. I just want to know why he hasn't enforced his rules on everyone else like he did me. So lets see Bob......150 other posters have posted pretty much the same thing I did and didn't have their posts moved........But mine got moved.......So I? have a persecution complex? No, no persecution complex....I think it is pretty clear that I am on to something. Nice logic =Bob. I have agreed that he made a mistake by not explaining up front and by PM why he did that. That being said, when you attempt to complain that Zip did it because he doesn't like your political views (and I have to tell ya, Steve, as much as I like you your political views border on the high school level of understanding compared to Pooh, Stu or Dave), is nonsensical. He did explain it to you, even though it was too little, too late. It was your decision, as you state, to not accept the explanation. But please don't attempt to tell me you weren't having a lot of fun with your Long posts. Anyone who brought up Long in any context was likely to get a response from you about how it wasn't you but "them" who were keeping it going. And please don't forget the rather large number of PMs we traded while the fight over Long was occurring (or that I was just about your only ally). It's pretty clear to me that you do, in fact, treat it as a game, but it's also clear to me that you believe what you write, just as I did when I was stating Long should have another year if he brought in new coordinators. I don't put you in the same category as Pooh, because I'm not sure Pooh really believes in much of anything other than being pious enough to get into Heaven. Unlike him, you do not lie in pathetic attempts to gain an advantage. Having said that, however, I do think you misinterpreted Zip's intentions, wrong as they were. And you might want to consider one other thing - perhaps your stance regarding Zip's splitting that thread has caused him to be more cautious about doing it again, even though as best I recall, he has never done it in the past no matter what a poster's political affiliation happened to be. =Bob Opps! Looks like once again you have misidentified the post and thread deleting person prone to forget what they have done and lie about the rest.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 11, 2009 12:12:56 GMT -8
I have agreed that he made a mistake by not explaining up front and by PM why he did that. That being said, when you attempt to complain that Zip did it because he doesn't like your political views (and I have to tell ya, Steve, as much as I like you your political views border on the high school level of understanding compared to Pooh, Stu or Dave), is nonsensical. He did explain it to you, even though it was too little, too late. It was your decision, as you state, to not accept the explanation. But please don't attempt to tell me you weren't having a lot of fun with your Long posts. Anyone who brought up Long in any context was likely to get a response from you about how it wasn't you but "them" who were keeping it going. And please don't forget the rather large number of PMs we traded while the fight over Long was occurring (or that I was just about your only ally). It's pretty clear to me that you do, in fact, treat it as a game, but it's also clear to me that you believe what you write, just as I did when I was stating Long should have another year if he brought in new coordinators. I don't put you in the same category as Pooh, because I'm not sure Pooh really believes in much of anything other than being pious enough to get into Heaven. Unlike him, you do not lie in pathetic attempts to gain an advantage. Having said that, however, I do think you misinterpreted Zip's intentions, wrong as they were. And you might want to consider one other thing - perhaps your stance regarding Zip's splitting that thread has caused him to be more cautious about doing it again, even though as best I recall, he has never done it in the past no matter what a poster's political affiliation happened to be. =Bob Opps! Looks like once again you have misidentified the post and thread deleting person prone to forget what they have done and lie about the rest. Don't see how. I've identified you as a liar several times now and that is the absolute truth. Again, it's sad that someone who claims to be a Christian sees nothing wrong in lying when it suits your purposes. =Bob
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 11, 2009 12:37:09 GMT -8
What did I "push" on that board? I had an opinion on an Aztec coach and expressed it. That is "pushing" what? Bottom line =Bob. You are right.....Zips board, Zips rules. I told him that in my PM. He left it up to me to decide....I did. I just want to know why he hasn't enforced his rules on everyone else like he did me. So lets see Bob......150 other posters have posted pretty much the same thing I did and didn't have their posts moved........But mine got moved.......So I? have a persecution complex? No, no persecution complex....I think it is pretty clear that I am on to something. Nice logic =Bob. I have agreed that he made a mistake by not explaining up front and by PM why he did that. That being said, when you attempt to complain that Zip did it because he doesn't like your political views (and I have to tell ya, Steve, as much as I like you your political views border on the high school level of understanding compared to Pooh, Stu or Dave), is nonsensical. He did explain it to you, even though it was too little, too late. It was your decision, as you state, to not accept the explanation. But please don't attempt to tell me you weren't having a lot of fun with your Long posts. Anyone who brought up Long in any context was likely to get a response from you about how it wasn't you but "them" who were keeping it going. And please don't forget the rather large number of PMs we traded while the fight over Long was occurring (or that I was just about your only ally). It's pretty clear to me that you do, in fact, treat it as a game, but it's also clear to me that you believe what you write, just as I did when I was stating Long should have another year if he brought in new coordinators. I don't put you in the same category as Pooh, because I'm not sure Pooh really believes in much of anything other than being pious enough to get into Heaven. Unlike him, you do not lie in pathetic attempts to gain an advantage. Having said that, however, I do think you misinterpreted Zip's intentions, wrong as they were. And you might want to consider one other thing - perhaps your stance regarding Zip's splitting that thread has caused him to be more cautious about doing it again, even though as best I recall, he has never done it in the past no matter what a poster's political affiliation happened to be. =Bob Paragraphs one by one... 1. I'm not worried about knowing as much as Win/Dave/Stu. 2. I didn't have have a lot of fun with the Long posts. I wasn't allowed to state my opinion without being attacked. And yes, the majority of the Long posts were me answering other posters. 3. The board wasn't a game to me. I remember you saying how much fun next year (this year) is going to be playing games with Long Haters. You are wrong on this one. I always did and still do believe in everything I write. And I had plenty of allies on Chuck Long. Most were unwilling to post. I am not. 4. Yes I probably helped the board by calling out Zip on that. The problem is that it should have never come to that. What in the hell was he thinking?
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 11, 2009 14:10:15 GMT -8
Paragraphs one by one... 1. I'm not worried about knowing as much as Win/Dave/Stu. 2. I didn't have have a lot of fun with the Long posts. I wasn't allowed to state my opinion without being attacked. And yes, the majority of the Long posts were me answering other posters. 3. The board wasn't a game to me. I remember you saying how much fun next year (this year) is going to be playing games with Long Haters. You are wrong on this one. I always did and still do believe in everything I write. And I had plenty of allies on Chuck Long. Most were unwilling to post. I am not. 4. Yes I probably helped the board by calling out Zip on that. The problem is that it should have never come to that. What in the hell was he thinking? 1. No doubt. 2. We both got attacked, but it continued with you because you wouldn't let it rest. You got trolled a lot and the way to stop it is to not feed the troll. 3. And you fully agreed with me. However, I never said you didn't believe what you wrote - I know you do believe it. My point is that you also have fun with it - or did until it consumed so much time. 4. People sometimes make mistakes. $#!+ happens. Assuming some nefarious political reason for him doing what he did is, however, nonsensical. He just blew it. =Bob
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 11, 2009 15:07:01 GMT -8
Opps! Looks like once again you have misidentified the post and thread deleting person prone to forget what they have done and lie about the rest. Don't see how. I've identified you as a liar several times now and that is the absolute truth. Again, it's sad that someone who claims to be a Christian sees nothing wrong in lying when it suits your purposes. =Bob What you believe that happened in your nightly fog and what you forget in your haze hardly is evidence of what another person says or does not say. You will never get me in a deliberate lie. Not in this world or the next so put that to rest. That is just not in my makeup!
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 11, 2009 15:11:36 GMT -8
Paragraphs one by one... 1. I'm not worried about knowing as much as Win/Dave/Stu. 2. I didn't have have a lot of fun with the Long posts. I wasn't allowed to state my opinion without being attacked. And yes, the majority of the Long posts were me answering other posters. 3. The board wasn't a game to me. I remember you saying how much fun next year (this year) is going to be playing games with Long Haters. You are wrong on this one. I always did and still do believe in everything I write. And I had plenty of allies on Chuck Long. Most were unwilling to post. I am not. 4. Yes I probably helped the board by calling out Zip on that. The problem is that it should have never come to that. What in the hell was he thinking? 1. No doubt. 2. We both got attacked, but it continued with you because you wouldn't let it rest. You got trolled a lot and the way to stop it is to not feed the troll. 3. And you fully agreed with me. However, I never said you didn't believe what you wrote - I know you do believe it. My point is that you also have fun with it - or did until it consumed so much time. 4. People sometimes make mistakes. $#!+ happens. Assuming some nefarious political reason for him doing what he did is, however, nonsensical. He just blew it. =Bob 1. Thank you. 2. Correct, but if I believe in something I won't back down. Some call it a con.......I call it a pro. I sleep well at night. 3. I agreed that it would be fun to that. I never said I would do it. You brought it up, that makes it your initial idea. I would not have followed with a game. I would have spoke my mind and continue to on the boards that allow freedom of speech. 4. Yes they do make mistakes. It is funny that you are the only one that has said he made a mistake (and other posters). Zip has never e-mailed me to admit his mistake. I never said Zip moved my Long posts because of political reasons. I said he moved my Long posts, because he didn't want to hear both sides of the story. In other words. As a MOD, he only wants one opinion.....his.
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