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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on Oct 26, 2011 21:10:15 GMT -8
Kevin Towers had to clean up the mess that this guy left in AZ. Now we get him? Moorad must be a drunken fool. Last place will be ours for years to come.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 7:31:44 GMT -8
He wouldn't be my first choice. That being said, him and manager A.J. Hinch both were shitcanned after the 2009 debacle of a season, but Brynes has been credited for his work there that helped get AZ to the NLCS a couple of years before that. He has a good reputation in scouting/player personnel.
With our "Installment Payments" of an owner, he'll have to be VERY good, and have a good amount of luck, to make the Padres contenders. He can't afford to miss much on his moves.
Until then, enjoy Bill's monthly recaps of the Won/Loss record of the San Antonio whatevers while the parent club lingers in last place.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 9:02:36 GMT -8
It is what it is.
Shame because I really did like Hoyer.
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Post by sdbiased on Oct 27, 2011 11:59:25 GMT -8
Kevin Towers had to clean up the mess that this guy left in AZ. Now we get him? Moorad must be a drunken fool. Last place will be ours for years to come. I'd like to here what KT did to "clean up that mess", the Diamondbacks had 7 major contributors all 7 were there when KT took the job: Justin Upton, Chris Young, Miguel Montero, Ryan Roberts, Geraldo Parra, Ian Kennedy, and Daniel Hudson. The biggest issue with Brynes is his overwilligness to trade prospects as evident in the Dan Haren deal. Dan uggla another prospect traded. Brynes is in many ways similar to KT, which I do not like. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 12:38:06 GMT -8
Kevin Towers had to clean up the mess that this guy left in AZ. Now we get him? Moorad must be a drunken fool. Last place will be ours for years to come. I'd like to here what KT did to "clean up that mess", the Diamondbacks had 7 major contributors all 7 were there when KT took the job: Justin Upton, Chris Young, Miguel Montero, Ryan Roberts, Geraldo Parra, Ian Kennedy, and Daniel Hudson. The biggest issue with Brynes is his overwilligness to trade prospects as evident in the Dan Haren deal. Dan uggla another prospect traded. Brynes is in many ways similar to KT, which I do not like. Uggla was traded from Miami to Atlanta. I do not believe Byrnes was involved in any way. Are you referring to when Florida claimed him in the Rule V draft? Was Byrnes in place back then? I am not sure. Dan Haren wasn't a prospect at the time he was dealt to LAA, he was an established major league all star. The Angels moved Joe Saunders and prospects for him, but I am not sure whom they were (the prospects) or how they're currently doing. One of my co-workers is a big Halo fan, and told me last season one of the pitchers LAA gave up was highly touted. I do not know. If you're saying Byrnes was overwilling to trade prospects FOR Haren, I get what you're saying....because CarGo and Brett Anderson both were in that deal, I believe. I agree completely that Towers shouldn't get all the credit for this years division title. Not only was the West weak, but Towers didn't build that core. I will give him credit for fixing the bullpen issues (their bullpen was AWFUL the year before he got there), and KT has always been pretty good at finding relievers. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 12:47:23 GMT -8
Regarding Uggla: Checked Wiki, and Byrnes was named GM in November of 2005. A month later, Uggla was left unprotected in the Rule V draft...and Florida claimed him.
Byrnes wasn't on the job very long, and couldn't have been too familiar with Arizona's system at the time. That decision could be shared responsibility-wise with the scouting and personnel department heads that were in place.
Nonetheless, Uggla had pretty good minor league stats, especially in A ball, so losing him for essentially nothing was a major gaffe.
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Post by sdbiased on Oct 27, 2011 13:11:53 GMT -8
I am talking about the original Darn Haren deal in which Josh Brynes depleted his farm for him.
Here was the deal Carlos Gonzalez, Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland, and Greg Smith for Dan Haren
Carlos Gonzalez: Is an up and coming stud with Colorado he is a middle of order bat with good speed.
Brett Anderson: He has underachieved so far scouts love his stuff but he needs to lose some weight probably.
Chris Carter: A top prospect for the A's that has struggled in his little time in majors so far.
Aaron Cunningham: 4rth/5th OF at best not really much of a loss
Dana Eveland: Terrible reliever
Greg Smith: Not much
That is way too much to give up for any pitcher not named Roy Halladay, he depleted their system and under his watch the BA rankings went down each year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 13:23:58 GMT -8
I concur. He did give up a ton.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 27, 2011 14:48:29 GMT -8
I will take a wait and see approach with Byrnes. Hoyer's talent evaluation abilities never impressed me, we shall see if this is the start of something big.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 27, 2011 19:54:15 GMT -8
Until this sale is completed and the full revenues from the team can actually go to the team (rather than having a large percentage of team revenues going to pay the old ownership for it's shares of the team) then this team will suck regardless of who the GM is.
It just might suck a little more with Byrnes instead of Hoyer.
Until the Padres payroll tops 75 million (consistently) their chances for being contenders on a regular basis are slim and none.
I certainly won't spend a dime on this team until ownership pays enough to build a legit Major League roster.
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Post by sdbiased on Oct 27, 2011 22:24:18 GMT -8
Until this sale is completed and the full revenues from the team can actually go to the team (rather than having a large percentage of team revenues going to pay the old ownership for it's shares of the team) then this team will suck regardless of who the GM is. It just might suck a little more with Byrnes instead of Hoyer. Until the Padres payroll tops 75 million (consistently) their chances for being contenders on a regular basis are slim and none. I certainly won't spend a dime on this team until ownership pays enough to build a legit Major League roster. The Padres can compete (and thought they would under hoyer) with a 60 million dollar payroll with a stud farm system, the problem is now basically Moorad is the GM (he who gave Brynes a 3 year deal) and he is not competent baseball guy. Obviously Moorad is a terrible cheap owner as well but to say that you can't compete at such a low payroll is ridiculous, look at the Rays. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 29, 2011 0:27:02 GMT -8
Until this sale is completed and the full revenues from the team can actually go to the team (rather than having a large percentage of team revenues going to pay the old ownership for it's shares of the team) then this team will suck regardless of who the GM is. It just might suck a little more with Byrnes instead of Hoyer. Until the Padres payroll tops 75 million (consistently) their chances for being contenders on a regular basis are slim and none. I certainly won't spend a dime on this team until ownership pays enough to build a legit Major League roster. The Padres can compete (and thought they would under hoyer) with a 60 million dollar payroll with a stud farm system, the problem is now basically Moorad is the GM (he who gave Brynes a 3 year deal) and he is not competent baseball guy. Obviously Moorad is a terrible cheap owner as well but to say that you can't compete at such a low payroll is ridiculous, look at the Rays. Who have not won a World Series. Who have won exactly two division titles. Who will not be able to sustain even a 2nd place competitive level in a few years. They will have their own fire sale/swap meet and go through a 3-4 year rebuilding period. Bump the payroll to 75 million - and there is no reason why the Padres can't do that (except that their new owner is taking team revenue to pay the old owner for his shares of the team) - and the Pads can compete for division titles EVERY year, and actually have a shot at winning a World Series. At a 50-60 million dollar payroll they'd have to be unbelievably lucky to win a World Series. And as I've noted before, a stud farm system is only good if you have a great core of players that you build around. You need a $75 million payroll to keep that core. If it's constant turnover, and you have no continuity and no core then you have no chance to win a World Series. And if your goal isn't to win the World Series every year then your organization is a fraud and should be run out of the league. |
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Post by justanothersdsufan on Oct 29, 2011 8:08:27 GMT -8
Of course. Moorad loved Byrnes in AZ, heck, he gave Byrnes an 8yr extension when he was in AZ!
Amd no way can you give KT credit for turning AZ around in 2011. He just fixed a bullpen (like he always does) and was helped by career years by most of the players already there. His trades weren't exactly money for AZ.
Also liked this, posted on another site:
"As far as what the rest of Byrnes' drafts yielded in value for the Diamondbacks (note that these are all the picks he's had from 2007-2010 that yielded any WAR value and I've noted the ones that he drafted but signed/provided value for elsewhere):
2007 Draft:
Barry Enright: -0.7
Scott Maine: N/A (-0.3 for CHC)
Bryan Augenstein: 0.0 (-0.1 for STL)
Josh Collmenter: +2.2
Evan Scribner: N/A (0.0 for SDG)
2008 Draft:
Daniel Schlereth: +0.1 (-0.2 for DET)
Wade Miley: +0.1
Bryan Shaw: +0.2
Collin Cowgill: +0.3
Josh Spence: N/A (didn't sign, -0.1 for SDG)
Ryan Cook: 0.0
2009 Draft:
Paul Goldschmidt: +0.6
2010 Draft:
N/A
TOTAL 2007-2010 DRAFTS: 2.8 fWAR (-0.7 fWAR dealt)
NET: -5.3 fWAR"
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Post by AZTECaGOGO on Nov 1, 2011 13:16:55 GMT -8
It is what it is. Shame because I really did like Hoyer. Based on what, exactly? |
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Post by jwmann2 on Nov 30, 2011 15:30:23 GMT -8
Uggla was offered a contract to stay in Miami. They couldn't afford him. He wanted an 80 Million dollar deal. Plus, who wants to play in that heat every single day?
Every front office makes moves the fans scratch their head over. Most of them are just a bunch of fantasy nerds that never played baseball growing up.
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Post by cvtower on Dec 1, 2011 20:17:30 GMT -8
Uggla was offered a contract to stay in Miami. They couldn't afford him. He wanted an 80 Million dollar deal. Plus, who wants to play in that heat every single day? Every front office makes moves the fans scratch their head over. Most of them are just a bunch of fantasy nerds that never played baseball growing up. Heat wouldn't matter in Miami with a new retractable roof stadium to be ready for next season |
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