Protection and AGON

[AztecBill]

Interesting that AGon:

1. Was intentionally walked more this year than his average with the Padres.
2. Had a fewer percentage of fast balls thrown to him than his average with the Padres.
3. Had a fewer percentage of strikes thrown to him than his average with the Padres.

Protection?

Stats

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Bill which lineup gave Adrian Gonzalez a better chance to succeed: The Padres in his last year or the Red Sox in his first year?

[AztecBill]

Oct 24, 2011 14:30:50 GMT -8 @tecpride00 said:

Bill which lineup gave Adrian Gonzalez a better chance to succeed: The Padres in his last year or the Red Sox in his first year?

Success in baseball is, winning so this years.

I posted those stats because they are surprising to me. I would have expected him to be IBB less and be thrown more strikes and more fastballs - due to "protection". But that was not the case.

"Which lineup" is vastly over ridden by "which ball park".

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Oct 24, 2011 17:15:34 GMT -8 AztecBill said:

Oct 24, 2011 14:30:50 GMT -8 @tecpride00 said:

Bill which lineup gave Adrian Gonzalez a better chance to succeed: The Padres in his last year or the Red Sox in his first year?

Success in baseball is, winning so this years.

I posted those stats because they are surprising to me. I would have expected him to be IBB less and be thrown more strikes and more fastballs - due to "protection". But that was not the case.

Which lineup is vastly over ridden by which ball park.

You didn't answer my question. (And you didn't ask one either.)

[01aztecgrad]

Oct 24, 2011 17:15:34 GMT -8 AztecBill said:

I posted those stats because they are surprising to me. I would have expected him to be IBB less and be thrown more strikes and more fastballs - due to "protection". But that was not the case.

Which lineup is vastly over ridden by which ball park.

Once again, you completely fail in your use of data. You conveniently use averages rather than looking at the annual data since it completely contradicts your theory.

You claim that the ballpark is more important than the lineup in terms of intentional walks, but there was a huge increase from the first year Gonzalez was in Petco to his last. How does that support your hypothesis?

Gonzalez IBB by year:
Petco
2006 - 9 (3 at Petco, 6 away)
2007 - 9 (5 at Petco, 4 away)
2008 - 18 (9 at Petco, 9 away)
2009 - 22 (13 at Petco, 9 away)
2010 - 35 (18 at Petco, 17 away)

Fenway
2011 - 20 (3 at Fenway, 17 away)

Was there some huge change in Petco between 2007 and 2010 that you think explains that, or is it more likely that a factor other than the ballpark is the explanation?

When you account for the number of plate appearances with Runners in Scoring Position, which is when the vast majority of Intentional Walks are issued, the numbers are even worse for his last couple years with the Padres.

2009 - 21 IBB in 180 Plate Appearances = 12%
2010 - 34 IBB in 172 Plate Appearances = 20%
2011 - 20 IBB in 220 Plate Appearances = 9%

[AztecBill]

Oct 29, 2011 12:36:06 GMT -8 01aztecgrad said:

Oct 24, 2011 17:15:34 GMT -8 AztecBill said:

I posted those stats because they are surprising to me. I would have expected him to be IBB less and be thrown more strikes and more fastballs - due to "protection". But that was not the case.

Which lineup is vastly over ridden by which ball park.

Once again, you completely fail in your use of data. You conveniently use averages rather than looking at the annual data since it completely contradicts your theory.

You claim that the ballpark is more important than the lineup in terms of intentional walks, but there was a huge increase from the first year Gonzalez was in Petco to his last. How does that support your hypothesis?

Gonzalez IBB by year:
Petco
2006 - 9 (3 at Petco, 6 away)
2007 - 9 (5 at Petco, 4 away)
2008 - 18 (9 at Petco, 9 away)
2009 - 22 (13 at Petco, 9 away)
2010 - 35 (18 at Petco, 17 away)

Fenway
2011 - 20 (3 at Fenway, 17 away)

Was there some huge change in Petco between 2007 and 2010 that you think explains that, or is it more likely that a factor other than the ballpark is the explanation?

When you account for the number of plate appearances with Runners in Scoring Position, which is when the vast majority of Intentional Walks are issued, the numbers are even worse for his last couple years with the Padres.

2009 - 21 IBB in 180 Plate Appearances = 12%
2010 - 34 IBB in 172 Plate Appearances = 20%
2011 - 20 IBB in 220 Plate Appearances = 9%

"Which ballpark" was written in resonse to techpride00's question, not in reponse to my own post. So your assumption caused you to write a lot of stuff that doesn't apply.

And you are right. More IBB on the road. That is because the difference between AGon and the other hitters is less in a big hitters park. While AGon was the only .320+ hitter on the road for Boston, there were 5 at home.

[AztecBill]

Oct 24, 2011 18:27:47 GMT -8 @tecpride00 said:

Oct 24, 2011 17:15:34 GMT -8 AztecBill said:

Success in baseball is, winning so this years.

I posted those stats because they are surprising to me. I would have expected him to be IBB less and be thrown more strikes and more fastballs - due to "protection". But that was not the case.

Which lineup is vastly over ridden by which ball park.

You didn't answer my question. (And you didn't ask one either.)

I wrote "this years" very plainly at the end of my first sentence in response to your question. That is an answer. It is my answer.

You are right. I didn't ask a question. Should I have? I don't understand the parenthetical part of your post.

My last sentence in my response to you should have quoted "which Lineup" to make it more clear. I changed that in that post. Which makes that sentence a statement - as intended, not a question.