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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 28, 2011 20:19:43 GMT -8
Should the Padres try to make Petco Park more hitter friendly? The Padres now have a few seasons of data to consider.
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Post by podpeople on Sept 28, 2011 20:22:59 GMT -8
if we made the park hitter friendly the opposing teams would be hitting twice as many homeruns.
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Post by AztecBill on Sept 29, 2011 9:22:24 GMT -8
Petco Park can be a big advantage to the Padres. We need to get players that are better able to play to the park. We need players who get hits via line drives instead of long fly balls to the gaps. Certain types of hitters and pitchers are relatively more valuable at Petco Park than other players. We just need to identify those players and get them.
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 29, 2011 10:49:20 GMT -8
Hudson, Hawpe, Bartlett and Cantu aren't these type of hitters? Given that the farm system has been churning out a steady stream of .200 hitters, what established free agent is going to come to Petco Park and see his avg. and homers diminish?
Adrian leaves Petco and his avg. climbs 40 pts. higher. Ludwick, who usually averaged in the .275 range with the Cards comes to Petco and hits .225 for the Pads. I don't have the entire data base or stats, but Petco Park for some reason seems to depresses typical batting averages by 25 to 50 points! Free agents aren't stupid, they know that their incomes are roughly based on their stats. There is a very long list of veteran hitters who came into Petco Park and were not successful.
Can the Padres win in the next few years with a lineup of Veneble, Blanks, Headley, Maybin, Rizzo, Hundley?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 10:55:02 GMT -8
It will have to come from the farm system.
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Sept 29, 2011 11:27:48 GMT -8
I always thought that Petco was opponent friendly.
The easy solution would be to have 81 split squad scrimmages instead of games.
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Post by AztecBill on Sept 29, 2011 11:49:05 GMT -8
Hudson, Hawpe, Bartlett and Cantu aren't these type of hitters? Given that the farm system has been churning out a steady stream of .200 hitters, what established free agent is going to come to Petco Park and see his avg. and homers diminish? Adrian leaves Petco and his avg. climbs 40 pts. higher. Ludwick, who usually averaged in the .275 range with the Cards comes to Petco and hits .225 for the Pads. I don't have the entire data base or stats, but Petco Park for some reason seems to depresses typical batting averages by 25 to 50 points! Free agents aren't stupid, they know that their incomes are roughly based on their stats. There is a very long list of veteran hitters who came into Petco Park and were not successful. Can the Padres win in the next few years with a lineup of Veneble, Blanks, Headley, Maybin, Rizzo, Hundley? The Padres traded a couple of pitchers for Cameron Maybin last year. That is another method to get hitters that doesn't involve the minors or free agents. The Padres have a lot of very good hitters in the minors who will hit in the majors. It is a matter of numbers. When a percentage of hitters fail, the more quality minor league hitters you have the better chance a few will emerge as good MLB hitters. The problem in the past is insufficient numbers. Your last question about winning with Venable, Blanks, Headley, Maybin, Rizzo, Hundley is really the question. I suspect one big bat will be added via a trade. Those 6 are a good start but not all necessarily starters. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 12:27:27 GMT -8
Hudson, Hawpe, Bartlett and Cantu aren't these type of hitters? Given that the farm system has been churning out a steady stream of .200 hitters, what established free agent is going to come to Petco Park and see his avg. and homers diminish? Adrian leaves Petco and his avg. climbs 40 pts. higher. Ludwick, who usually averaged in the .275 range with the Cards comes to Petco and hits .225 for the Pads. I don't have the entire data base or stats, but Petco Park for some reason seems to depresses typical batting averages by 25 to 50 points! Free agents aren't stupid, they know that their incomes are roughly based on their stats. There is a very long list of veteran hitters who came into Petco Park and were not successful. Can the Padres win in the next few years with a lineup of Veneble, Blanks, Headley, Maybin, Rizzo, Hundley? The Padres traded a couple of pitchers for Cameron Maybin last year. That is another method to get hitters that doesn't involve the minors or free agents. The Padres have a lot of very good hitters in the minors who will hit in the majors. It is a matter of numbers. When a percentage of hitters fail, the more quality minor league hitters you have the better chance a few will emerge as good MLB hitters. The problem in the past is insufficient numbers. Your last question about winning with Venable, Blanks, Headley, Maybin, Rizzo, Hundley is really the question. I suspect one big bat will be added via a trade. Those 6 are a good start but not all necessarily starters. What do you mean when you say "big bat"? What you really mean is "Player with some success at the big league level that we can get for cheap and are hoping will turn out for us." Like Hawpe, Hudson, and Bartlett. |
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Post by AztecBill on Sept 29, 2011 17:43:52 GMT -8
The Padres traded a couple of pitchers for Cameron Maybin last year. That is another method to get hitters that doesn't involve the minors or free agents. The Padres have a lot of very good hitters in the minors who will hit in the majors. It is a matter of numbers. When a percentage of hitters fail, the more quality minor league hitters you have the better chance a few will emerge as good MLB hitters. The problem in the past is insufficient numbers. Your last question about winning with Venable, Blanks, Headley, Maybin, Rizzo, Hundley is really the question. I suspect one big bat will be added via a trade. Those 6 are a good start but not all necessarily starters. What do you mean when you say "big bat"? What you really mean is "Player with some success at the big league level that we can get for cheap and are hoping will turn out for us." Like Hawpe, Hudson, and Bartlett. Hudson and Bartlett, I would agree. Hawpe, too bad we didn't get another few months from him. He started off very badly (hitting .098 on April 24) but hit .305 .369 .483 from April 24 to June 6 (43 days). We don't know how the rest of the year would have panned out. |
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Post by AztecBill on Sept 29, 2011 17:45:14 GMT -8
Your last question about winning with Venable, Blanks, Headley, Maybin, Rizzo, Hundley is really the question. I suspect one big bat will be added via a trade. Those 6 are a good start but not all necessarily starters. 1. Overall, I wouldn't call those six a "good start." Maybin and Hundley are big leaguers (which means they won't be here much longer) and Headley would be fine if he weren't clogging up a power position. Venable and Blanks are 4A players and Rizzo is a never-will-be. 2. Who the hell are we gonna trade to get a "big bat"? Maybe someone will take off our hands the guys we got for Gonzalez. 1) 3rd base is not as much a power position as you think. Not according to what 3B are actually doing. 2) Pitchers. |
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Post by aztecron on Sept 30, 2011 18:42:47 GMT -8
The Pad's brass are not going to change Petco, they just aren't. No reason to even waste energy on the topic. We, the fans, all think there should be some adjustments to the layout.
Moorad has seen the data now in regards to the "Petco" effect on the batted ball. The only thing I've even anywhere close to "change" came out in today's UT. Moorad stated the Pads may "change the"...wait for it..."game times to 5:35PM" to offset the incoming marine layer.
There's your change. Unfortunately!
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 30, 2011 23:25:09 GMT -8
The offense stunk this year because Adrian Gonzalez's bat was not replaced by a decent hitter and with the exception of Headley, none of the other younger players made a significant impact. If the Padres are going to spend some money this off season they should look to trade for a power hitting corner infielder and sign a veteran outfielder. 3rd base is indeed a power position, just look around the league and there are tons of power hitters: Arod, Longoria, Wright, Youkillis, Sandoval, M. Young, Zimmerman, Chipper Jones, Adrian Beltre, Mark Reynolds, Aramis Ramirez.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 3, 2011 8:44:40 GMT -8
The offense stunk this year because Adrian Gonzalez's bat was not replaced by a decent hitter and with the exception of Headley, none of the other younger players made a significant impact. If the Padres are going to spend some money this off season they should look to trade for a power hitting corner infielder and sign a veteran outfielder. 3rd base is indeed a power position, just look around the league and there are tons of power hitters: Arod, Longoria, Wright, Youkillis, Sandoval, M. Young, Zimmerman, Chipper Jones, Adrian Beltre, Mark Reynolds, Aramis Ramirez. Below is what the major league average is for each position | POS | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | | 1B | .271 | .345 | .451 | .796 | | 2B | .260 | .319 | .388 | .708 | | SS | .262 | .316 | .378 | .695 | | 3B | .252 | .316 | .390 | .706 | | C | .244 | .312 | .388 | .700 | | LF | .255 | .319 | .407 | .727 | | CF | .261 | .325 | .409 | .734 | | RF | .269 | .341 | .441 | .782 |
Notice that 2B and Catching SLG is about the same as SLG for 3B. |
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Post by untitled on Oct 5, 2011 17:51:50 GMT -8
If Petco doesn't change I doubt we'll ever have another HOF (non-pitcher). The hall likes offensive statistics, and since Petco is only for punch and judy hitters and we aren't likely to ever find Tony Gwynn again (let alone pay him), I highly doubt it. I guess they made that little square on the grassy knoll so small for a reason. T'will only fit Trevor and Tony.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 7, 2011 13:21:37 GMT -8
Playing more games at 5:30 will make a difference. Day games are much higher scoring and mid-day games would make (not as big) a difference too. Will the fans embrace an earlier start?
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Post by aardvark on Oct 9, 2011 8:57:08 GMT -8
Playing more games at 5:30 will make a difference. Day games are much higher scoring and mid-day games would make (not as big) a difference too. Will the fans embrace an earlier start? You're right--it will make a difference. The games will be higher scoring, but no one will be there to see it. Attendance will fall; for that matter, TV ratings will probably drop, since many people won't even be home from work yet. |
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 10, 2011 11:46:14 GMT -8
Playing more games at 5:30 will make a difference. Day games are much higher scoring and mid-day games would make (not as big) a difference too. Will the fans embrace an earlier start? You're right--it will make a difference. The games will be higher scoring, but no one will be there to see it. Attendance will fall; for that matter, TV ratings will probably drop, since many people won't even be home from work yet. 3:30 games are attended quite well. If they play at 5:30 once a week, they will be attending well too. People who don't like it will probably still go to as many games - just on different nights. |
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