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Post by jcljorgenson on Sept 28, 2011 12:01:04 GMT -8
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Post by AztecSports95 on Sept 28, 2011 12:13:08 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 14:49:37 GMT -8
I went back and punished myself by watching the first quarter of the Michigan game last night. You know what. We could have been right in there. On offense we were moving the ball but penalties and turnovers killed us. But they at that point had no answer for Hillman and he was getting 8-10 yards a clip. On defense, I agree with Long.. we were much too aggressive and took ourselves out of position much too often, but more than not we had 3 or 4 defenders who would have been in the right place had they not overpursued. I think the way you play Denard is to not get too much penatration. Which sounds counterintuitive, but time after time, the guy allowed us to get past him and then he just hit a seam and was gone. Bottom line.. I didn't think the game looked as bad as I remembered it.
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Post by jdaztec on Sept 28, 2011 14:54:50 GMT -8
That is what I saw as well
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Post by untitled on Sept 28, 2011 15:18:39 GMT -8
I went back and punished myself by watching the first quarter of the Michigan game last night. You know what. We could have been right in there. On offense we were moving the ball but penalties and turnovers killed us. But they at that point had no answer for Hillman and he was getting 8-10 yards a clip. On defense, I agree with Long.. we were much too aggressive and took ourselves out of position much too often, but more than not we had 3 or 4 defenders who would have been in the right place had they not overpursued. I think the way you play Denard is to not get too much penatration. Which sounds counterintuitive, but time after time, the guy allowed us to get past him and then he just hit a seam and was gone. Bottom line.. I didn't think the game looked as bad as I remembered it. I've never seen so many drive-killing holding penalties in one quarter. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 15:34:22 GMT -8
You know what Wayno, you are correct it wasn't as bad as I remembered it being and I was at the game. After I got back to California I watched the replay I recorded and rewound a lot of plays to see why many of the plays that failed actually failed. The video doesn't lie... our offensive line was not using good form and got blown up on many plays. Specifically Embernate. on the first series he pulled around and tripped over another lineman's foot and couldn't make the block that would have sprung Hillman for a huge gain. Also he was too upright on many pass plays and the DL guy across from him just bull rushed him right into the backfield. On another play he pulled around fine and went into the hole to block and the linebacker blew him up because he was too upright. There were many issues all around but when you get right down to it, most of them were correctable. Especially with a bye week this week. I also beleive that our O-Line hadn't faced a good big DL and were not ready for the difference, not saying they were over matched I just think that our guys were use to doing the pushing instead of being pushed and it caught them of guard at first. Going back to last year I don't remember any team we played having that size up front. The defense had a few over pursuits but that is almost expected in a Rocky Long defense. I figured the D would give up around 24 points and the offense would be able to out score Michigan. So I have no real complaints about the defense. Anyway as long as they take it as a learning experience and make corrections they will be fine. Sometimes you need a good ass kicking.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 15:34:44 GMT -8
Just killed us.
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 28, 2011 16:32:12 GMT -8
You know what Wayno, you are correct it wasn't as bad as I remembered it being and I was at the game. After I got back to California I watched the replay I recorded and rewound a lot of plays to see why many of the plays that failed actually failed. The video doesn't lie... our offensive line was not using good form and got blown up on many plays. Specifically Embernate. on the first series he pulled around and tripped over another lineman's foot and couldn't make the block that would have sprung Hillman for a huge gain. Also he was too upright on many pass plays and the DL guy across from him just bull rushed him right into the backfield. On another play he pulled around fine and went into the hole to block and the linebacker blew him up because he was too upright. There were many issues all around but when you get right down to it, most of them were correctable. Especially with a bye week this week. I also beleive that our O-Line hadn't faced a good big DL and were not ready for the difference, not saying they were over matched I just think that our guys were use to doing the pushing instead of being pushed and it caught them of guard at first. Going back to last year I don't remember any team we played having that size up front. The defense had a few over pursuits but that is almost expected in a Rocky Long defense. I figured the D would give up around 24 points and the offense would be able to out score Michigan. So I have no real complaints about the defense. Anyway as long as they take it as a learning experience and make corrections they will be fine. Sometimes you need a good ass kicking..... If what you say is true we must have poor offensive line coaching. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 17:24:02 GMT -8
I saw the exact play you're talking about with Embernate. Looked like he tripped over the center's feet? The guy he was supposed to crush ended up crushing Hillman. yeah hopefully we can get that stuff corrected. We did make some good blocks on other plays.
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Post by RiffelBooks on Sept 28, 2011 17:53:08 GMT -8
There are posts on this board that suggest our offensive lineman have poor technique, including playing too high. I don't know enough about blocking techniques to judge for myself, but if the comments are correct, they've been getting away with sheer physical dominance since the BYU game last year. Last week it caught up with them. Hopefully, they learn their lesson. You know what Wayno, you are correct it wasn't as bad as I remembered it being and I was at the game. After I got back to California I watched the replay I recorded and rewound a lot of plays to see why many of the plays that failed actually failed. The video doesn't lie... our offensive line was not using good form and got blown up on many plays. Specifically Embernate. on the first series he pulled around and tripped over another lineman's foot and couldn't make the block that would have sprung Hillman for a huge gain. Also he was too upright on many pass plays and the DL guy across from him just bull rushed him right into the backfield. On another play he pulled around fine and went into the hole to block and the linebacker blew him up because he was too upright. There were many issues all around but when you get right down to it, most of them were correctable. Especially with a bye week this week. I also beleive that our O-Line hadn't faced a good big DL and were not ready for the difference, not saying they were over matched I just think that our guys were use to doing the pushing instead of being pushed and it caught them of guard at first. Going back to last year I don't remember any team we played having that size up front. The defense had a few over pursuits but that is almost expected in a Rocky Long defense. I figured the D would give up around 24 points and the offense would be able to out score Michigan. So I have no real complaints about the defense. Anyway as long as they take it as a learning experience and make corrections they will be fine. Sometimes you need a good ass kicking..... If what you say is true we must have poor offensive line coaching. |
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Post by 99levi on Sept 28, 2011 19:21:39 GMT -8
FIX IT!!! Attachments:
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Post by kman82 on Sept 28, 2011 19:50:30 GMT -8
If what you say is true we must have poor offensive line coaching.
You are kidding, aren't you?
This offensive line had given up one sack in three games prior, had opened holes for an AZTEC running game we could have only dreamed about three years ago, and if memory serves me correct had yet to be called for holding or a false start - which used to occur with all too frequent regularity back in the dark days. Coach Finn has done an amazing job with these guys - one bad game against a Big 10 jumbo-sized defensive line does not serve as an indictment against anyone's playing or coaching ability. As Rocky said, this game became larger than life, and I for one believe that if we had another shot at Michigan the result would be far different.
Kman out
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 20:46:02 GMT -8
Kman82, I know you weren't talking to me but I thought I could expand on what I said earlier. Embernate is one of my favorite players on the team so I watch his play closer than others. On most of those plays I talked about above you can also see that other OL had issues that caused Embernate's misques. For example on the play he tripped; the other OL who he tripped over was pushed into the backfield causing the trip by him being in Embernate's path. Same thing on the play where the LB blew him up. The other OL got pushed back into the path of Embernate and Embernate had to adjust his footwork and that is what brought him upright that allowed the LB to win the collision. In short as I stated above the OL got punched in the face (a few times) and IMO the OL was caught off guard at first by it. They did recover though and played better as the game went on. For the record this didn't have a lot to do with coaching but rather a state of mind. I do think that Finn is a great coach and he will use the game tape as a learning tool as well as the players will now be mentally prepared for the next time they come across an opponet that is their equal or maybe even better then they are. To use a boxing analogy. If a boxer is undefeated he is confident but if he steps in with another boxer who is just as good and the undefeated boxer gets punched in the face and the guy who punched him hits way harder than anyone else he has fought it will throw off his game. He might be able to recover after a few rounds or he might just fold, either way he loses. But he now knows what to expect as a measuring stick for future opponents. In sports as in business they say you learn more from your defeats or costly mistakes. It will all depend on how the players and coaches use the defeat.
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