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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 19, 2011 9:16:49 GMT -8
Greece Threatened with Widespread, Long-Term Poverty Greece is tightening its belt -- and the number of people living in poverty is surging as a result. Thousands line up in front of food banks and resort to rifling through rubbish bins. The country's financial crisis is rapidly turning into a social one -- while wealthy tax evaders manage to get off scot-free. "Katarina was laid off from her job at a biscuit factory roughly a year ago. Since then, she's been forced to rely on the handouts paid for by what Father Andreas calls "holy money." Katarina says there are no more jobs to be had. "No one will even pay you to stuff mailboxes with advertisements anymore," she says. "Greece is finished." " www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,775301,00.html#ref=nlint |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 19, 2011 9:20:47 GMT -8
What is happening in Greece is what is happening the world around. Larger and larger populations and fewer and fewer jobs.
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 19, 2011 17:53:00 GMT -8
It is very sad what living beyond your means will mean. Hope we all are getting the message here at home and that Greece can dig out.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 20, 2011 6:25:56 GMT -8
It is very sad what living beyond your means will mean. Hope we all are getting the message here at home and that Greece can dig out. Nobody seems to know how to create jobs. Not here, not there. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 20, 2011 11:00:00 GMT -8
It is very sad what living beyond your means will mean. Hope we all are getting the message here at home and that Greece can dig out. Nobody seems to know how to create jobs. Not here, not there. We know how to do it here. Liberals just won't let free market Conservatives get a tail wind. Reign in spending and put capital to work instead of taxing it away and spending it on useless programs. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 20, 2011 20:29:40 GMT -8
Nobody seems to know how to create jobs. Not here, not there. We know how to do it here. Liberals just won't let free market Conservatives get a tail wind. Reign in spending and put capital to work instead of taxing it away and spending it on useless programs. I do not see any correlation between cutting taxes and the creation of jobs. To create jobs there has to be people spending. Remember how much the Service Sector has expanded in the past twenty years. If you cut taxes, you do not necessarily have the money back in the hands of the people so that they will spend and spend and spend us to prosperity. To create more service sector jobs we need to get people spending money as if they were fully employed. Either that or we have got to start manufacturing again. Can we take the boards off of the doors and windows of the factories and mills and give people thier old jobs from the Sixties? |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 21, 2011 10:56:09 GMT -8
We know how to do it here. Liberals just won't let free market Conservatives get a tail wind. Reign in spending and put capital to work instead of taxing it away and spending it on useless programs. I do not see any correlation between cutting taxes and the creation of jobs. To create jobs there has to be people spending. Remember how much the Service Sector has expanded in the past twenty years. If you cut taxes, you do not necessarily have the money back in the hands of the people so that they will spend and spend and spend us to prosperity. To create more service sector jobs we need to get people spending money as if they were fully employed. Either that or we have got to start manufacturing again. Can we take the boards off of the doors and windows of the factories and mills and give people thier old jobs from the Sixties? Joe, I hope you can see that putting money in the hands of people who will spend it is more productive than letting government waste the money. Even if some of the money does not get spent on retail it goes to capital formation and that means jobs. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 21, 2011 19:20:16 GMT -8
I do not see any correlation between cutting taxes and the creation of jobs. To create jobs there has to be people spending. Remember how much the Service Sector has expanded in the past twenty years. If you cut taxes, you do not necessarily have the money back in the hands of the people so that they will spend and spend and spend us to prosperity. To create more service sector jobs we need to get people spending money as if they were fully employed. Either that or we have got to start manufacturing again. Can we take the boards off of the doors and windows of the factories and mills and give people thier old jobs from the Sixties? Joe, I hope you can see that putting money in the hands of people who will spend it is more productive than letting government waste the money. Even if some of the money does not get spent on retail it goes to capital formation and that means jobs. "...who will spend it..." Now, that is a reach. You want to effectively give money away to people whom you assume will spend it. Instead of just giving it to them, how about putting the same amount of money into circulation by working projects, such as Water to the West. (My pet project, should I ever get elected President.) |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jul 22, 2011 10:09:46 GMT -8
Nobody seems to know how to create jobs. Not here, not there. We know how to do it here. Liberals just won't let free market Conservatives get a tail wind. Reign in spending and put capital to work instead of taxing it away and spending it on useless programs. Hooray for "Trickle Down"  |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 22, 2011 10:22:24 GMT -8
Joe, I hope you can see that putting money in the hands of people who will spend it is more productive than letting government waste the money. Even if some of the money does not get spent on retail it goes to capital formation and that means jobs. "...who will spend it..." Now, that is a reach. You want to effectively give money away to people whom you assume will spend it. Instead of just giving it to them, how about putting the same amount of money into circulation by working projects, such as Water to the West. (My pet project, should I ever get elected President.) If that project were part of the mix and was viable as I think it would be, OK! Just don't let half the money get wasted by thousands of government bureaucrats doing endless studies. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 22, 2011 22:23:23 GMT -8
"...who will spend it..." Now, that is a reach. You want to effectively give money away to people whom you assume will spend it. Instead of just giving it to them, how about putting the same amount of money into circulation by working projects, such as Water to the West. (My pet project, should I ever get elected President.) If that project were part of the mix and was viable as I think it would be, OK! Just don't let half the money get wasted by thousands of government bureaucrats doing endless studies. Says the retired government bureaucrat. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 23, 2011 8:04:32 GMT -8
If that project were part of the mix and was viable as I think it would be, OK! Just don't let half the money get wasted by thousands of government bureaucrats doing endless studies. Says the retired government bureaucrat. I have a point of reference.  |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 23, 2011 21:09:51 GMT -8
I do not see any correlation between cutting taxes and the creation of jobs. To create jobs there has to be people spending. Remember how much the Service Sector has expanded in the past twenty years. If you cut taxes, you do not necessarily have the money back in the hands of the people so that they will spend and spend and spend us to prosperity. To create more service sector jobs we need to get people spending money as if they were fully employed. Either that or we have got to start manufacturing again. Can we take the boards off of the doors and windows of the factories and mills and give people thier old jobs from the Sixties? Joe, I hope you can see that putting money in the hands of people who will spend it is more productive than letting government waste the money. Even if some of the money does not get spent on retail it goes to capital formation and that means jobs. From that statement, I take it that you strongly endorse large cash donations to the poor. I guarantee you that they will spend it all, while the rich will just put that extra money to one side to build an even larger nestegg. I guess your argument holds water. I say give 30,000 Dollars to anybody with an income less than or equal to $30,000. We can call it the Thirty for Thirty program. Win, you are a genius for coming up with this. Let's make it so. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 24, 2011 6:47:54 GMT -8
Joe, I hope you can see that putting money in the hands of people who will spend it is more productive than letting government waste the money. Even if some of the money does not get spent on retail it goes to capital formation and that means jobs. From that statement, I take it that you strongly endorse large cash donations to the poor. I guarantee you that they will spend it all, while the rich will just put that extra money to one side to build an even larger nestegg. I guess your argument holds water. I say give 30,000 Dollars to anybody with an income less than or equal to $30,000. We can call it the Thirty for Thirty program. Win, you are a genius for coming up with this. Let's make it so. Well, not exactly. We need a saftey net, but it should come from private charity and not the government. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 24, 2011 12:35:05 GMT -8
From that statement, I take it that you strongly endorse large cash donations to the poor. I guarantee you that they will spend it all, while the rich will just put that extra money to one side to build an even larger nestegg. I guess your argument holds water. I say give 30,000 Dollars to anybody with an income less than or equal to $30,000. We can call it the Thirty for Thirty program. Win, you are a genius for coming up with this. Let's make it so. Well, not exactly. We need a saftey net, but it should come from private charity and not the government. Why charity and not government? |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 24, 2011 15:40:31 GMT -8
Well, not exactly. We need a saftey net, but it should come from private charity and not the government. Why charity and not government? More efficient. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 1, 2011 7:25:42 GMT -8
"...who will spend it..." Now, that is a reach. You want to effectively give money away to people whom you assume will spend it. Instead of just giving it to them, how about putting the same amount of money into circulation by working projects, such as Water to the West. (My pet project, should I ever get elected President.) If that project were part of the mix and was viable as I think it would be, OK! Just don't let half the money get wasted by thousands of government bureaucrats doing endless studies. Government bureaucracy will always be a wasteful reality. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 1, 2011 7:27:14 GMT -8
Why charity and not government? More efficient. Many charities are money grubbing enterprises. Look at how wasteful the American Red Cross is. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 1, 2011 11:21:58 GMT -8
Many charities are money grubbing enterprises. Look at how wasteful the American Red Cross is. Agree, but still more efficient than government. |
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