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Post by aztecwin on Aug 26, 2009 19:27:11 GMT -8
starturl.com/ayrreIs this boycott led by a self proclaimed Communist named Van Jones going to backfire? This is the "green jobs" Czar. starturl.com/dpldbJones has since renounce his being a Communist. Seeing the other people surrounding Obama how sincere do you think that is? What will it take for Democrats to see they have made a huge mistake? Independents have made their move but when will Democrats?
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Aug 27, 2009 6:57:59 GMT -8
Damn! Where is "Tailgunner Joe" when you need him? ;D
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 27, 2009 10:14:54 GMT -8
Damn! Where is "Tailgunner Joe" when you need him? ;D Meaning what, that criticism of Obama is just another McCarthy-ite outburst? Which would be droll when one looks at how leading Democrats have used McCarthy tactics in an attempt to smear average citiizens who have had the nerve to question The One and all that he stands for. AzWm |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 27, 2009 10:42:13 GMT -8
Damn! Where is "Tailgunner Joe" when you need him? ;D Just where do you draw the line on this kind of person getting so much power with no vetting process? This guy has not only the Communist thing, but also some criminal background. Does that not begin to bother you? |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 27, 2009 11:08:07 GMT -8
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 27, 2009 15:25:14 GMT -8
Um, except for the fact that some of the companies who have pulled their advertising did not do so because of Beck's comments about Van Jones, but rather his comments about Obama being a "racist": www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/08/18/2009-08-18_companies_boycotting_beck_for_bam_bash.htmlAnd really Pooh, offering a website that writes things such as Our country is now being run by people who have made a godless religion out of hating everything it stands for. Unsurprisingly, they are destroying it before our eyes.  . Apparently Beck didn't get enough traction claiming Obama is a Fascist, so now he's trying to claim he's a Communist. And Willie, your rhetoric is getting as hysterical as Pooh's. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 28, 2009 10:07:49 GMT -8
Um, except for the fact that some of the companies who have pulled their advertising did not do so because of Beck's comments about Van Jones, but rather his comments about Obama being a "racist": www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/08/18/2009-08-18_companies_boycotting_beck_for_bam_bash.htmlAnd really Pooh, offering a website that writes things such as Our country is now being run by people who have made a godless religion out of hating everything it stands for. Unsurprisingly, they are destroying it before our eyes. . Apparently Beck didn't get enough traction claiming Obama is a Fascist, so now he's trying to claim he's a Communist. And Willie, your rhetoric is getting as hysterical as Pooh's. =Bob When are you going to learn that a source is not an issue if the veracity of the content is there? Not soon it seems! Apparently you did not even read the link you posted. Advertisers including Oprah are rushing to fill the advertising slots. Why did you try to change the target of the issue from Van Jones to Obama? |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 28, 2009 10:39:47 GMT -8
Um, except for the fact that some of the companies who have pulled their advertising did not do so because of Beck's comments about Van Jones, but rather his comments about Obama being a "racist": www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/08/18/2009-08-18_companies_boycotting_beck_for_bam_bash.htmlAnd really Pooh, offering a website that writes things such as Our country is now being run by people who have made a godless religion out of hating everything it stands for. Unsurprisingly, they are destroying it before our eyes. . Apparently Beck didn't get enough traction claiming Obama is a Fascist, so now he's trying to claim he's a Communist. And Willie, your rhetoric is getting as hysterical as Pooh's. =Bob When are you going to learn that a source is not an issue if the veracity of the content is there? Not soon it seems! Apparently you did not even read the link you posted. Advertisers including Oprah are rushing to fill the advertising slots. Why did you try to change the target of the issue from Van Jones to Obama? Pooh, when a source is so blatantly partisan as that site, it's not likely to hold much in the way "news". It's just the right wing going hyperbolic again. Yeah, the guy says he was a Communist. The problem is that it's all you on the right think the press should be writing about. Never mind that he might have some good ideas. But typically you attack me for not discussing content when content is the last thing you want to discuss. And besides, I did offer a comment on the content of the first link. It's bogus to claim that the companies refusing to advertise on Beck are doing so because of Van Jones. They are refusing to do so because he called Obama a racist. When that backfired on him, he had to find someone new in the administration to attack. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 28, 2009 14:44:10 GMT -8
When are you going to learn that a source is not an issue if the veracity of the content is there? Not soon it seems! Apparently you did not even read the link you posted. Advertisers including Oprah are rushing to fill the advertising slots. Why did you try to change the target of the issue from Van Jones to Obama? Pooh, when a source is so blatantly partisan as that sight, it's not likely to hold much in the way "news". It's just the right wing going hyperbolic again. Yeah, the guy says he was a Communist. The problem is that it's all you on the right think the press should be writing about. Never mind that he might have some good ideas. But typically you attack me for not discussing content when content is the last thing you want to discuss. And besides, I did offer a comment on the content of the first link. It's bogus to claim that the companies refusing to advertise on Beck are doing so because of Van Jones. They are refusing to do so because he called Obama a racist. When that backfired on him, he had to find someone new in the administration to attack. =Bob The political bent of the source carries what weight if the facts are correct? Some simple concepts seem to zing right by your ears. Now the advertising has had some changes, but his show has sure jumped in viewership. That of course means that advertising rates will go up. Beck is sure drawing some plain lines to show what is going on and is being attack for it. He is hurting all the way to the bank. What do you think about folks like Jones getting to such positions of power without any vetting process? I am waiting for some of you slobbering lefties to start to wake up and see what is really going on. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 28, 2009 16:36:48 GMT -8
Pooh, when a source is so blatantly partisan as that sight, it's not likely to hold much in the way "news". It's just the right wing going hyperbolic again. Yeah, the guy says he was a Communist. The problem is that it's all you on the right think the press should be writing about. Never mind that he might have some good ideas. But typically you attack me for not discussing content when content is the last thing you want to discuss. And besides, I did offer a comment on the content of the first link. It's bogus to claim that the companies refusing to advertise on Beck are doing so because of Van Jones. They are refusing to do so because he called Obama a racist. When that backfired on him, he had to find someone new in the administration to attack. =Bob The political bent of the source carries what weight if the facts are correct? Some simple concepts seem to zing right by your ears. Now the advertising has had some changes, but his show has sure jumped in viewership. That of course means that advertising rates will go up. Beck is sure drawing some plain lines to show what is going on and is being attack for it. He is hurting all the way to the bank. What do you think about folks like Jones getting to such positions of power without any vetting process? I am waiting for some of you slobbering lefties to start to wake up and see what is really going on. I appreciate you admitting that the website was lying through its teeth by claiming that the boycott had anything to do with Jones. Takes a big man to do that. Let's face a simple fact, Pooh - companies do not want to be identified with someone who calls the President a racist - they sell a lot of stuff to minorities. The fact that his viewership is up doesn't seem to be translating into any of those companies running back to sign up for his show: latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/08/as-boycott-continues-glenn-becks-audience-swells.htmlHe's lost all sorts of bit time advertisers, including Walmart and I seriously doubt the companies named in that article can pay anywhere near as much as Walmart. He's clearly a wingnut as well as a conspiracy freak and major corporations have decided they don't want to be associated with him. He can have twice his current audience, but if the advertisers won't have anything to do with him, it counts for squat. As for vetting, every administration has the right to hire people who don't go through Senate hearings. The only reason the wingnuts are going off the deep end is because they are looking for every opportunity they can find to bring Obama down. It has nothing to do with love of country - it has to do with raw politics. That's clear from your argument, based upon the sites you offer, that the "mainstream media" should be denouncing Jones from the treetops because when he was young he fancied himself to be a "Communist". As Triple A wrote - "Where is Tailgunner Joe when you need him"? The Communist epithet still carries weight with your generation, but with each generation younger than yours, it matters less. In short, Pooh, it's only old farts and right-wingnuts who care. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 29, 2009 7:00:10 GMT -8
The political bent of the source carries what weight if the facts are correct? Some simple concepts seem to zing right by your ears. Now the advertising has had some changes, but his show has sure jumped in viewership. That of course means that advertising rates will go up. Beck is sure drawing some plain lines to show what is going on and is being attack for it. He is hurting all the way to the bank. What do you think about folks like Jones getting to such positions of power without any vetting process? I am waiting for some of you slobbering lefties to start to wake up and see what is really going on. I appreciate you admitting that the website was lying through its teeth by claiming that the boycott had anything to do with Jones. Takes a big man to do that. Let's face a simple fact, Pooh - companies do not want to be identified with someone who calls the President a racist - they sell a lot of stuff to minorities. The fact that his viewership is up doesn't seem to be translating into any of those companies running back to sign up for his show: latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/08/as-boycott-continues-glenn-becks-audience-swells.htmlHe's lost all sorts of bit time advertisers, including Walmart and I seriously doubt the companies named in that article can pay anywhere near as much as Walmart. He's clearly a wingnut as well as a conspiracy freak and major corporations have decided they don't want to be associated with him. He can have twice his current audience, but if the advertisers won't have anything to do with him, it counts for squat. As for vetting, every administration has the right to hire people who don't go through Senate hearings. The only reason the wingnuts are going off the deep end is because they are looking for every opportunity they can find to bring Obama down. It has nothing to do with love of country - it has to do with raw politics. That's clear from your argument, based upon the sites you offer, that the "mainstream media" should be denouncing Jones from the treetops because when he was young he fancied himself to be a "Communist". As Triple A wrote - "Where is Tailgunner Joe when you need him"? The Communist epithet still carries weight with your generation, but with each generation younger than yours, it matters less. In short, Pooh, it's only old farts and right-wingnuts who care. =Bob I appreciate you admitting that the website was lying through its teeth by claiming that the boycott had anything to do with Jones. Takes a big man to do that. I did no such thing. Sponsors come and go but the advertising rates are determined by ratings. Now if (note the if) Beck called Obama a "communist", what is the big deal if as you say it only matters to folks my age? There can't be that many of us left. The simple truth is that the use of the word "communist" today has a far different meaning to most every one than in the days of Joe McCarthy. It still means "eating the seed corn" but you will no longer get black listed or shot but is not the epitaph that it once was. You still do not get the idea that true information can be found in many places and that truth stands regardless of source. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 29, 2009 8:23:44 GMT -8
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 29, 2009 10:46:31 GMT -8
I appreciate you admitting that the website was lying through its teeth by claiming that the boycott had anything to do with Jones. Takes a big man to do that. I did no such thing. Sponsors come and go but the advertising rates are determined by ratings. But his problem is that his ratings are up but big company sponsorship is down. It may be that they're charging the other companies the same, but I doubt it since Fox has stated that there's no drop in revenues for the network because those big companies are advertising on other shows. Either way, I'm sorry, but Beck is a total loon (something I wouldn't say about O'Reilly or Hannity). =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 29, 2009 14:24:56 GMT -8
I appreciate you admitting that the website was lying through its teeth by claiming that the boycott had anything to do with Jones. Takes a big man to do that. I did no such thing. Sponsors come and go but the advertising rates are determined by ratings. But his problem is that his ratings are up but big company sponsorship is down. It may be that they're charging the other companies the same, but I doubt it since Fox has stated that there's no drop in revenues for the network because those big companies are advertising on other shows. Either way, I'm sorry, but Beck is a total loon (something I wouldn't say about O'Reilly or Hannity). =Bob Just what is Beck a loon about? I hope that you have a better critique than that. |
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Post by davdesid on Aug 29, 2009 14:44:55 GMT -8
But his problem is that his ratings are up but big company sponsorship is down. It may be that they're charging the other companies the same, but I doubt it since Fox has stated that there's no drop in revenues for the network because those big companies are advertising on other shows. Either way, I'm sorry, but Beck is a total loon (something I wouldn't say about O'Reilly or Hannity). =Bob Just what is Beck a loon about? I hope that you have a better critique than that. I have to disclose right up front that I know nothing about "Glen Beck". I never heard the name until it popped up on these Aztec boards not very long ago. I don't even know what the man looks like. I do not watch cable news TV, and haven't for several years now. However, when =Comrade Perfesser goes "ad hom" on anyone it must mean that individual espouses views antithetical to the left, and therefore must be credible. I do remember a post =Comrade Perfesser put up some years ago about "Hannity". He went on a totally alcohol-fueled rant about how he wanted to meet him in a dark alley so he could beat him up. These rants from =Comrade Perfesser are good recommendations, however. Although I will not go back to watching any cable news programs, if you could disclose some of the sponsors =Comrade Perfesser wants to hurt, please do so. I will make it a point to patronize them. Oh, and those highly intellectual "yawns" out of =Comrade Perfesser are pretty much what to expect from a cornered "progressive" rat. |
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Post by davdesid on Aug 29, 2009 15:07:09 GMT -8
>>The Communist epithet still carries weight with your generation, but with each generation younger than yours, it matters less.<<the=Perfesser
Hmmm...
This is interesting, and may well be true.
But I have to wonder if the same is true of the epithet "Nazi", or "fascist".
Google "Bush + Nazi" and you'll get more hits than anything except "Hitler + Nazi".
I think you are engaging in wishful thinking. You hope YOUR form of tyranny will be trivialized with time... while at the same time you hope the other form of tyranny won't be, because your ilk finds it to be a useful epithet.
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 29, 2009 15:11:06 GMT -8
Just what is Beck a loon about? I hope that you have a better critique than that. I have to disclose right up front that I know nothing about "Glen Beck". I never heard the name until it popped up on these Aztec boards not very long ago. I don't even know what the man looks like. I do not watch cable news TV, and haven't for several years now. However, when =Comrade Perfesser goes "ad hom" on anyone it must mean that individual espouses views antithetical to the left, and therefore must be credible. I do remember a post =Comrade Perfesser put up some years ago about "Hannity". He went on a totally alcohol-fueled rant about how he wanted to meet him in a dark alley so he could beat him up. These rants from =Comrade Perfesser are good recommendations, however. Although I will not go back to watching any cable news programs, if you could disclose some of the sponsors =Comrade Perfesser wants to hurt, please do so. I will make it a point to patronize them. Oh, and those highly intellectual "yawns" out of =Comrade Perfesser are pretty much what to expect from a cornered "progressive" rat. "a cornered "progressive" rat"! Love it! You forgot scrufty!  |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 29, 2009 17:12:37 GMT -8
But his problem is that his ratings are up but big company sponsorship is down. It may be that they're charging the other companies the same, but I doubt it since Fox has stated that there's no drop in revenues for the network because those big companies are advertising on other shows. Either way, I'm sorry, but Beck is a total loon (something I wouldn't say about O'Reilly or Hannity). =Bob Just what is Beck a loon about? I hope that you have a better critique than that. Watch his show. He has called Obama a Fascist and a Communist and insists that Obama and the Progressives are interested in nothing less that Authoritarian rule. You sometimes do the same thing, but you're mostly trolling. He is not. =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 29, 2009 17:14:59 GMT -8
I do remember a post =Comrade Perfesser put up some years ago about "Hannity". He went on a totally alcohol-fueled rant about how he wanted to meet him in a dark alley so he could beat him up. I have never stated that I wanted to meet anyone in a dark alley so I could beat that person up. I'd challenge you to offer a link, but since it was "some years ago", your response would be that you can't find one. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 30, 2009 6:13:33 GMT -8
Just what is Beck a loon about? I hope that you have a better critique than that. Watch his show. He has called Obama a Fascist and a Communist and insists that Obama and the Progressives are interested in nothing less that Authoritarian rule. You sometimes do the same thing, but you're mostly trolling. He is not. =Bob What do you have to say about the factual points he makes to support his "name calling"? When does "name calling" change to "accurate labeling"? Unpleasant as it may be to you, it seems that Beck is pretty accurate in the way he presents his "allegations" or "statements of fact". |
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