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Post by aztecwin on Jul 4, 2010 8:29:07 GMT -8
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT:
Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way
you can understand them.
This quote was translated into English from an article appearing in the Czech Republic as published in the Prager Zeitung of 28 April 2010:
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president."
"The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr.
Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America .
Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince."
The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all,
merely a fool.
It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 4, 2010 8:57:38 GMT -8
I'm thinking about our Founding Fathers and the great sacrifice they made for all of us. Has there ever been such a great group of men before or since?
Others can dwell on petty politics of the moment.
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 4, 2010 9:41:31 GMT -8
I'm thinking about our Founding Fathers and the great sacrifice they made for all of us. Has there ever been such a great group of men before or since? Others can dwell on petty politics of the moment. What better day to think about the "petty politics of the moment" when the struggles and sacrifice of our Founding Fathers are in such jeopardy of being in vain due to the fools who have elected such a inept leader? |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 4, 2010 10:13:53 GMT -8
I guess I have more faith in the USA than you.  |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 4, 2010 10:49:00 GMT -8
I guess I have more faith in the USA than you. I don't think so. I have tremendous faith that the voting public will see the mistake and start the process of throwing liberal Democrats out in November. At any rate have a great fourth. I am going to swim, cook, eat, watch fireworks and enjoy my kids and grandkids. Hope you have a great day as well. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 4, 2010 11:06:15 GMT -8
I guess I have more faith in the USA than you. Nevertheless, it worries me that so many people seem to have done very little thinking before entrusting the presidency to so under-qualified a man as Barack Obama. The whole foundation of a successful democratic republic is found in the wisdom and sound judgment of the people at large. That requirement is subverted when the majority of voters seldom if ever do any research on current events and the candidates. Anyone who had been paying attention would have recognized very quickly that Obama was running on a smoke and mirrors platform. They would also have given some thought to having a man such as Obama in the White House when the Congress was dominated by a group of rather far left of center Democrats. Based on polling, there are plenty of voters who probably would change their votes retroactively if such a thing were possible. Unfortunately, that is not possible, and in the meantime plenty of harm has been done. AzWm |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 4, 2010 11:22:07 GMT -8
I guess I have more faith in the USA than you. Nevertheless, it worries me that so many people seem to have done very little thinking before entrusting the presidency to so under-qualified a man as Barack Obama. The whole foundation of a successful democratic republic is found in the wisdom and sound judgment of the people at large. That requirement is subverted when the majority of voters seldom if ever do any research on current events and the candidates. Anyone who had been paying attention would have recognized very quickly that Obama was running on a smoke and mirrors platform. They would also have given some thought to having a man such as Obama in the White House when the Congress was dominated by a group of rather far left of center Democrats. Based on polling, there are plenty of voters who probably would change their votes retroactively if such a thing were possible. Unfortunately, that is not possible, and in the meantime plenty of harm has been done. AzWm I don't know whether to laugh or cry. ;D   |
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Post by uwaztec on Jul 4, 2010 13:38:01 GMT -8
I guess I have more faith in the USA than you. Nevertheless, it worries me that so many people seem to have done very little thinking before entrusting the presidency to so under-qualified a man as Barack Obama. The whole foundation of a successful democratic republic is found in the wisdom and sound judgment of the people at large. That requirement is subverted when the majority of voters seldom if ever do any research on current events and the candidates. Anyone who had been paying attention would have recognized very quickly that Obama was running on a smoke and mirrors platform. They would also have given some thought to having a man such as Obama in the White House when the Congress was dominated by a group of rather far left of center Democrats. Based on polling, there are plenty of voters who probably would change their votes retroactively if such a thing were possible. Unfortunately, that is not possible, and in the meantime plenty of harm has been done. AzWm William.. give us your best assessment of what McCain / Palin would have done. How they would have changed the "culture of Washington". Would we still be in Afganistan.... how much better the economy would be, would the BP leak have been stopped a month ago etc. just curious. |
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Post by Ronnie on Jul 5, 2010 16:56:51 GMT -8
I'm thinking about our Founding Fathers and the great sacrifice they made for all of us. Has there ever been such a great group of men before or since? Others can dwell on petty politics of the moment. This. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jul 6, 2010 9:14:04 GMT -8
Nevertheless, it worries me that so many people seem to have done very little thinking before entrusting the presidency to so under-qualified a man as Barack Obama. The whole foundation of a successful democratic republic is found in the wisdom and sound judgment of the people at large. That requirement is subverted when the majority of voters seldom if ever do any research on current events and the candidates. Anyone who had been paying attention would have recognized very quickly that Obama was running on a smoke and mirrors platform. They would also have given some thought to having a man such as Obama in the White House when the Congress was dominated by a group of rather far left of center Democrats. Based on polling, there are plenty of voters who probably would change their votes retroactively if such a thing were possible. Unfortunately, that is not possible, and in the meantime plenty of harm has been done. AzWm William.. give us your best assessment of what McCain / Palin would have done. How they would have changed the "culture of Washington". Would we still be in Afganistan.... how much better the economy would be, would the BP leak have been stopped a month ago etc. just curious. Neither AzWm or Win will address your question. Don't forget, they support the party of "No" and have no real ideas beyond their hatred of our President. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 6, 2010 11:03:27 GMT -8
William.. give us your best assessment of what McCain / Palin would have done. How they would have changed the "culture of Washington". Would we still be in Afganistan.... how much better the economy would be, would the BP leak have been stopped a month ago etc. just curious. Neither AzWm or Win will address your question. Don't forget, they support the party of "No" and have no real ideas beyond their hatred of our President. It is hard to address anything for which the answer is not known nor will it ever be known. The translation of an article that started this thread suggests to me that I know at least two of the people they were talking about.  |
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Post by monty on Jul 6, 2010 14:33:18 GMT -8
I think about what Madison wrote in Federalist Paper 10:
...the public good is disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties, and that measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority...effects of the unsteadiness and injustice with which a factious spirit has tainted our public administration.
The system they wrought did not cure the factious spirt, it propelled it and was there from the very beginning with federalist/anti-Fs and in office with adams/jefferson. It was a system that came about as a compromise. A good system, yea, a perfect or great one - no.
When guys like Ford, Carter, Bush, and so far Obama get into office there is something rotten in the state of Denmark. 4 of the past 7 or 8 presidents have not worked and have been a detriment (two from each factious party).
we have a system that has been purchased long ago through campaign donations and speaking tours and while those that can buy into the ownership recieve their quid pro quo - corporations, labour unions, large individual figures, the rest rot on the vine while the parties rage against each other, no longer concerned with some high minded ideal, but the other side losing. And then, every 4-12 years, the tables flip, the new side has the oppressive majority, and the purges begin anew.
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Post by uwaztec on Jul 6, 2010 15:21:07 GMT -8
I think about what Madison wrote in Federalist Paper 10: ...the public good is disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties, and that measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority...effects of the unsteadiness and injustice with which a factious spirit has tainted our public administration.The system they wrought did not cure the factious spirt, it propelled it and was there from the very beginning with federalist/anti-Fs and in office with adams/jefferson. It was a system that came about as a compromise. A good system, yea, a perfect or great one - no. When guys like Ford, Carter, Bush, and so far Obama get into office there is something rotten in the state of Denmark. 4 of the past 7 or 8 presidents have not worked and have been a detriment (two from each factious party). we have a system that has been purchased long ago through campaign donations and speaking tours and while those that can buy into the ownership recieve their quid pro quo - corporations, labour unions, large individual figures, the rest rot on the vine while the parties rage against each other, no longer concerned with some high minded ideal, but the other side losing. And then, every 4-12 years, the tables flip, the new side has the oppressive majority, and the purges begin anew. re: your last paragraph. Very true, plus now...certain members of the media make much more money keeping it that way... |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 6, 2010 15:36:13 GMT -8
I think about what Madison wrote in Federalist Paper 10: ...the public good is disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties, and that measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority...effects of the unsteadiness and injustice with which a factious spirit has tainted our public administration.The system they wrought did not cure the factious spirt, it propelled it and was there from the very beginning with federalist/anti-Fs and in office with adams/jefferson. It was a system that came about as a compromise. A good system, yea, a perfect or great one - no. When guys like Ford, Carter, Bush, and so far Obama get into office there is something rotten in the state of Denmark. 4 of the past 7 or 8 presidents have not worked and have been a detriment (two from each factious party). we have a system that has been purchased long ago through campaign donations and speaking tours and while those that can buy into the ownership recieve their quid pro quo - corporations, labour unions, large individual figures, the rest rot on the vine while the parties rage against each other, no longer concerned with some high minded ideal, but the other side losing. And then, every 4-12 years, the tables flip, the new side has the oppressive majority, and the purges begin anew. re: your last paragraph. Very true, plus now...certain members of the media make much more money keeping it that way... I don't think certain members is accurate! Change that to most members and you have a sad but true winner! |
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Post by monty on Jul 6, 2010 15:49:50 GMT -8
I think about what Madison wrote in Federalist Paper 10: ...the public good is disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties, and that measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority...effects of the unsteadiness and injustice with which a factious spirit has tainted our public administration.The system they wrought did not cure the factious spirt, it propelled it and was there from the very beginning with federalist/anti-Fs and in office with adams/jefferson. It was a system that came about as a compromise. A good system, yea, a perfect or great one - no. When guys like Ford, Carter, Bush, and so far Obama get into office there is something rotten in the state of Denmark. 4 of the past 7 or 8 presidents have not worked and have been a detriment (two from each factious party). we have a system that has been purchased long ago through campaign donations and speaking tours and while those that can buy into the ownership recieve their quid pro quo - corporations, labour unions, large individual figures, the rest rot on the vine while the parties rage against each other, no longer concerned with some high minded ideal, but the other side losing. And then, every 4-12 years, the tables flip, the new side has the oppressive majority, and the purges begin anew. re: your last paragraph. Very true, plus now...certain members of the media make much more money keeping it that way... Very, very true. A spoken word artist put it this way a decade ago: Media that brought that war home has been bought out
General Electric own NBC news
They want to sell guns
They distort what we viewEven if not selling guns, the parent companies of all media conglomerates have such vested intrest in the status quo and the continuation of corporate favor. The deregulation of the media into a few hands holding nearly all media sources has brought the 4th estate down and it should be the ultimate check and balance on power. |
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Post by uwaztec on Jul 6, 2010 15:52:11 GMT -8
re: your last paragraph. Very true, plus now...certain members of the media make much more money keeping it that way... I don't think certain members is accurate! Change that to most members and you have a sad but true winner! I say FOX and MSNBC for sure...but CNN is not overt like the others. The worst (in no particular order) are Hannity, Limbaugh, Olberman, Beck and Ann Coulter. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 6, 2010 15:58:06 GMT -8
I don't think certain members is accurate! Change that to most members and you have a sad but true winner! I say FOX and MSNBC for sure...but CNN is not overt like the others. The worst (in no particular order) are Hannity, Limbaugh, Olberman, Beck and Ann Coulter. Who is worse is in the eye of the beholder. I would add CBS, NBC, ABC to the list of offenders. It is hard for me to see you have a list of offenders that does ot include Chris Mathews and Katy Couric. When you have Olbermann and Limbaugh on the same list of anything, it is thinking that we have some strange bedfellows. |
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Post by monty on Jul 6, 2010 16:03:35 GMT -8
If anyone remembers the old Wally George Show on at least the local over-the-air channels in LA/Orange County that is what the talking heads remind me of today. That the face or slant of the network favors one side or the other is largely irrelevant, because their corporate overlords have set road blocks to prevent certain portrayals of the government and corporate america. Diogenes will not be shinning his lantern in the day. The ad hominem attacks get ratings and also divert attention from what is really going on.
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