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Post by aztecbruce on May 5, 2011 10:47:32 GMT -8
and one of my points was that anybody can be injured and put on the DL The other point- $1million in today's world of MLB is nothing for an experienced pitcher. For another thread - Kevin Correia......why didn't the Pads offer him a chance to return? Because they feel they have 6 better options for starting pitchers. Your opinion or fact? Not sure they were right on this one either.
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Post by AztecBill on May 6, 2011 15:54:29 GMT -8
Because they feel they have 6 better options for starting pitchers. Your opinion or fact? Not sure they were right on this one either. Projecting the future is never fact. Correia had a 5.40 ERA with the Padres last year, as a 29 year old. Who among our starters +1 would you have left out to keep a 30 year old Correia? How about you pick any Padre starter you want and lets see at the end of the year if his ERA is worse than Correia's. We can track it here. I think if you take this challenge you will have chosen a pitcher who did better than Correia. It is like you are playing GM.
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Post by aztecbruce on May 6, 2011 21:54:27 GMT -8
Your opinion or fact? Not sure they were right on this one either. Projecting the future is never fact. Correia had a 5.40 ERA with the Padres last year, as a 29 year old. Who among our starters +1 would you have left out to keep a 30 year old Correia? How about you pick any Padre starter you want and lets see at the end of the year if his ERA is worse than Correia's. We can track it here. I think if you take this challenge you will have chosen a pitcher who did better than Correia. It is like you are playing GM. Geezus Bill- Don't you get it? You acted like you knew why the Pads didn't offer him so I was asking you if you knew that to be true or if you were just spouting an opinion. That had nothing whatsoever to do with any future. Do you forget he went through a tremendous loss of his brother? Don't you think his head was somewhat elsewhere after that? This thread is about Young or can't you read? Start a KC thread and we'll go on there too.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 9:19:51 GMT -8
The Mets aren't quite sure what's wrong with Chris Young and they haven't figured out how to fix him.
It's similar to what general manager Sandy Alderson is trying to do with the organization.
Young, who felt tightness in his troublesome right shoulder while warming up Saturday, was placed on the 15-day disabled list before yesterday's 4-2 loss to the Dodgers. He had an MRI exam yesterday morning and will have another consultation today as the Mets try to determine the severity of his injury.
And though the MRI results were somewhat inconclusive -- one doctor reviewed the exam and reported swelling in the back of his surgi cally re paired shoulder -- it's hard to be opti mistic about the oft-injured Young. Read more: www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/losses_piling_up_for_amazin_mess_uGlDod7wjULbNt8OefW32N#ixzz1LsOtHqTG
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Post by AztecBill on May 9, 2011 13:02:48 GMT -8
Projecting the future is never fact. Correia had a 5.40 ERA with the Padres last year, as a 29 year old. Who among our starters +1 would you have left out to keep a 30 year old Correia? How about you pick any Padre starter you want and lets see at the end of the year if his ERA is worse than Correia's. We can track it here. I think if you take this challenge you will have chosen a pitcher who did better than Correia. It is like you are playing GM. Geezus Bill- Don't you get it? You acted like you knew why the Pads didn't offer him so I was asking you if you knew that to be true or if you were just spouting an opinion. That had nothing whatsoever to do with any future. Do you forget he went through a tremendous loss of his brother? Don't you think his head was somewhat elsewhere after that? This thread is about Young or can't you read? Start a KC thread and we'll go on there too. You need to get another hobby. You are not making it as a troll. You were the one who first brought up Kevin Correia. I noticed you didn't take my challenge. Anyone who predicts now that any of our starters will have a worse ERA at the end of the year than Correia, is asking to be proven wrong by facts.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 21:24:50 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on May 10, 2011 9:39:51 GMT -8
That's too bad. I really like Chris Young. He is a hellva pitcher when healthly. Looks like the Padres made the right decision.
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Post by aztecron on May 10, 2011 9:49:15 GMT -8
And, I remember reading in the UT that Hoyer does not like incentive laden contracts for pitchers at all, hence the decision to move on without CY. Tough choice going that route, but, Hoyer probably feels he'll be able to get decent enough pitchers at a cheaper rate, without incentives due to Petco Park. No need to take risks in the pitching department.
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Post by markyc on May 10, 2011 12:31:29 GMT -8
Chris Young just cannot finish a season, too many moving parts (or Albert Pujols lacing a liner off his dome) Harang is a smart pick up, hometown guy who pitched in a little league park the last few years and has the abilities to be a 15-20 game winner in Petco. On opening day there was about 3 deep fly balls that would have been homeruns in the Great American Shoebox, my brother turned to me and said "gee, you think he will like pitching in Petco?" Another year of DL for CY
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Post by AztecBill on May 10, 2011 13:20:31 GMT -8
And, I remember reading in the UT that Hoyer does not like incentive laden contracts for pitchers at all, hence the decision to move on without CY. Tough choice going that route, but, Hoyer probably feels he'll be able to get decent enough pitchers at a cheaper rate, without incentives due to Petco Park. No need to take risks in the pitching department. I really think the Padres ability to attract one year pitchers has as much to do with having one of the very few managers who was a pitcher and having an outstanding pitching coach as it does with Petco Park. The Padres will get two first round picks in June for allowing Jon Garland, and Kevin Correia to walk. This year we signed Harang and Chad Qualls to one year contracts that will likely make both of them a type "A" free agents as well. It is a very good process that not only fills a need but also feeds first round choices into our farm system.
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Post by aztecbruce on May 10, 2011 21:45:47 GMT -8
Geezus Bill- Don't you get it? You acted like you knew why the Pads didn't offer him so I was asking you if you knew that to be true or if you were just spouting an opinion. That had nothing whatsoever to do with any future. Do you forget he went through a tremendous loss of his brother? Don't you think his head was somewhat elsewhere after that? This thread is about Young or can't you read? Start a KC thread and we'll go on there too. You need to get another hobby. You are not making it as a troll. You were the one who first brought up Kevin Correia. I noticed you didn't take my challenge. Anyone who predicts now that any of our starters will have a worse ERA at the end of the year than Correia, is asking to be proven wrong by facts. I didn't take up your challenge because after reading it over and over and over and over I still didn't have a freaking clue what the hell you were trying to convey. Why are you only wanting to bet on ERA? You know as well as I do that Pittsburgh is a hitters park, hence the ERA's should be higher than here at Petco. You usually have a handful of statistical categorys to back up whatever you're trying to prove. What the hell is that ***** doing wagging its tail?
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Post by aztecbruce on May 10, 2011 21:48:08 GMT -8
And, I remember reading in the UT that Hoyer does not like incentive laden contracts for pitchers at all, hence the decision to move on without CY. Tough choice going that route, but, Hoyer probably feels he'll be able to get decent enough pitchers at a cheaper rate, without incentives due to Petco Park. No need to take risks in the pitching department. I really think the Padres ability to attract one year pitchers has as much to do with having one of the very few managers who was a pitcher and having an outstanding pitching coach as it does with Petco Park. The Padres will get two first round picks in June for allowing Jon Garland, and Kevin Correia to walk. This year we signed Harang and Chad Qualls to one year contracts that will likely make both of them a type "A" free agents as well. It is a very good process that not only fills a need but also feeds first round choices into our farm system. Now you're finally starting to make some sense.
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Post by aztecbruce on May 10, 2011 21:49:05 GMT -8
And, I remember reading in the UT that Hoyer does not like incentive laden contracts for pitchers at all, hence the decision to move on without CY. Tough choice going that route, but, Hoyer probably feels he'll be able to get decent enough pitchers at a cheaper rate, without incentives due to Petco Park. No need to take risks in the pitching department. I don't remember ever reading that but it's possible I suspect. Doesn't make much sense to me though.
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Post by aztecron on May 11, 2011 9:27:04 GMT -8
And, I remember reading in the UT that Hoyer does not like incentive laden contracts for pitchers at all, hence the decision to move on without CY. Tough choice going that route, but, Hoyer probably feels he'll be able to get decent enough pitchers at a cheaper rate, without incentives due to Petco Park. No need to take risks in the pitching department. I really think the Padres ability to attract one year pitchers has as much to do with having one of the very few managers who was a pitcher and having an outstanding pitching coach as it does with Petco Park. The Padres will get two first round picks in June for allowing Jon Garland, and Kevin Correia to walk. This year we signed Harang and Chad Qualls to one year contracts that will likely make both of them a type "A" free agents as well. It is a very good process that not only fills a need but also feeds first round choices into our farm system. Concur with your thoughts, Bill. If you haven't read it already, The Extra 2% by Jonah Keri is a great book about the Rays front office, and covers your exact thoughts in depth as one of their business models since taking over that franchise.
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Post by aztecron on May 11, 2011 9:28:28 GMT -8
And, I remember reading in the UT that Hoyer does not like incentive laden contracts for pitchers at all, hence the decision to move on without CY. Tough choice going that route, but, Hoyer probably feels he'll be able to get decent enough pitchers at a cheaper rate, without incentives due to Petco Park. No need to take risks in the pitching department. I don't remember ever reading that but it's possible I suspect. Doesn't make much sense to me though. Here's the link: www.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/padres/2010/jan/29/padres-eliminate-incentive-contracts/
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Post by aztecbruce on May 11, 2011 13:45:15 GMT -8
Thanks for providing that article. It still doesn't make any sense. Set your low and high budgets and expect something in between. Incentives = motivation although some incentives like paying a guy to work out is ridiculous.
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Post by AztecBill on May 11, 2011 14:13:42 GMT -8
Thanks for providing that article. It still doesn't make any sense. Set your low and high budgets and expect something in between. Incentives = motivation although some incentives like paying a guy to work out is ridiculous. MLB contract with the players union only allows certain types of incentives. For instance you can not include ERA, Batting Average, or any other measure of how well you do, except awards (i.e. All star game or MVP) , as an incentive. Innings pitched or plate appearances is only a tangential measure of success, and is therefore permissible.
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Post by aztecron on May 11, 2011 15:57:56 GMT -8
Thanks for providing that article. It still doesn't make any sense. Set your low and high budgets and expect something in between. Incentives = motivation although some incentives like paying a guy to work out is ridiculous. Yep, I won't argue with that.
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Post by 1611Luginbill on May 13, 2011 18:04:43 GMT -8
Anybody can have repeated problems with the same shoulder over three straight seasons and judged to "never be the same" since catching an Albert Pujols line drive with his face.
ANYBODY.
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Post by AztecBill on May 16, 2011 15:21:23 GMT -8
Update since Correia pitched against the Padres
6.1 innings 5 runs 4.0 innings 6 runs
Management made a smart decision to let him walk.
Dustin Moseley, Aaron Harang, and Corey Luebke are the players he possibly could have replaced.
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