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Post by AztecBill on Apr 4, 2011 14:54:56 GMT -8
The Padres decided to let Chris Young walk and signed Aaron Harang instead. Tuesday, Young will start for the Mets and Harang will start for the Padres. While one start will not decide the issue, it is interesting that both players first pitch on the same day. Harang $4.0 million Young $1.1 million + as much as $3.4 million in incentives as follows:
$0.125M each for 10, 15 GS. $0.15M for 20 GS. $75,000 each for GS 21-25. $0.125M each for GS 26-31
$0.125M for 70 IP. $0.15M each for 80, 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150. $0.175M each for 160, 170 IP. $0.2M for 180 IP The Padres probably could have resigned Young for what they paid for Harang, so it came down to a baseball decision.
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Post by k5james on Apr 5, 2011 8:00:19 GMT -8
Easy decision in my opinion. Which one is more likely to finish the season?
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 6, 2011 8:55:30 GMT -8
| IP | ER | Hits | Walks | Ks | Offense | Decision | Aaron Harang | 6 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 6 | 0-1, Sac Bunt | Win | Chris Young | 5.1 | 1 | 5 | 4 | 7 | 3-3 Run, RBI | Win |
Chris Young had a single in each of his 3 at bats, including a leadoff single to ignite a 6 run 3rd inning that chased (San Diegan) Cole Hamels and handed the Phillies their first loss of the season.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Apr 6, 2011 9:46:21 GMT -8
| IP | ER | Hits | Walks | Ks | Offense | Decision | Aaron Harang | 6 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 6 | 0-1, Sac Bunt | Win | Chris Young | 5.1 | 1 | 5 | 4 | 7 | 3-3 Run, RBI | Win |
Chris Young had a single in each of his 3 at bats, including a leadoff single to ignite a 6 run 3rd inning that chased (San Diegan) Cole Hamels and handed the Phillies their first loss of the season. I'd have to say that both teams are probably pleased with their guy... Chris needs to get his old control back, though, as 100+ pitches in less than 6 innings isn't going to get the job done long term. He needs to pitch efficiently to be effective consistently. Glad to see him bouncing back nicely though.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 11, 2011 14:00:02 GMT -8
| IP | ER | Hits | Walks | Ks | Offense | Decision | Aaron Harang G#1 | 6 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 6 | 0-1, Sac Bunt | Win | Chris Young G#1 | 5.1 | 1 | 5 | 4 | 7 | 3-3 Run, RBI | Win | Aaron Harang G#2 | 6 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 2 | | Win | Chris Young G#2 | 7 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 3-1 Lead Blown | ND-Loss |
Chris Young followed up with a great game. 7 innings only allowing one hit. The Mets couldn't get 6 outs to close out the game which they lost in extra innings. I am sure Chris misses the bull pen support he had as a Padre.
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Post by aztecbruce on Apr 11, 2011 17:31:55 GMT -8
I somehow missed that CY left the pads and went to the Mets. Stupid move from the Pads mgmt not to resign him at a loaded incentive contract similar to what the Mets gave him.
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Post by joshjones1 on Apr 11, 2011 20:53:25 GMT -8
I somehow missed that CY left the pads and went to the Mets. Stupid move from the Pads mgmt not to resign him at a loaded incentive contract similar to what the Mets gave him. He hadn't made 20 starts since 2007, and in the last two years combined for 18 starts (4 last year). I don't fault the Pads for letting him go. Time to turn the page there.
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Post by aztecbruce on Apr 11, 2011 20:59:30 GMT -8
I somehow missed that CY left the pads and went to the Mets. Stupid move from the Pads mgmt not to resign him at a loaded incentive contract similar to what the Mets gave him. He hadn't made 20 starts since 2007, and in the last two years combined for 18 starts (4 last year). I don't fault the Pads for letting him go. Time to turn the page there. $1 million guarantee for an experienced quality starting pitcher is pocket change. Virtually no risk.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Apr 12, 2011 10:07:07 GMT -8
He hadn't made 20 starts since 2007, and in the last two years combined for 18 starts (4 last year). I don't fault the Pads for letting him go. Time to turn the page there. $1 million guarantee for an experienced quality starting pitcher is pocket change. Virtually no risk. True... that wouldn't be a budget buster, but with the budget they've set for player salaries, they don't have a lot of margin for error to absorb what is a mild gamble. If you've been to the ballpark this year, notice that most of the ad signage around the ballpark is "in house" stuff... either Padre related, or MLB. With the economy, I think their park advertising revenue probably took a big hit, which sure ain't going to help loosen up the purse strings.
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Post by joshjones1 on Apr 12, 2011 10:46:27 GMT -8
He hadn't made 20 starts since 2007, and in the last two years combined for 18 starts (4 last year). I don't fault the Pads for letting him go. Time to turn the page there. $1 million guarantee for an experienced quality starting pitcher is pocket change. Virtually no risk. I agree completely, but I suppose the Padres wanted to fill that rotation spot with a pitcher they felt had more upside.
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Post by aztecbruce on Apr 12, 2011 11:32:47 GMT -8
$1 million guarantee for an experienced quality starting pitcher is pocket change. Virtually no risk. True... that wouldn't be a budget buster, but with the budget they've set for player salaries, they don't have a lot of margin for error to absorb what is a mild gamble. If you've been to the ballpark this year, notice that most of the ad signage around the ballpark is "in house" stuff... either Padre related, or MLB. With the economy, I think their park advertising revenue probably took a big hit, which sure ain't going to help loosen up the purse strings. Interesting point about the advertising. The local economy still stinks and for that I'm sure their season suite sales are really hurting along with advertising. That's why they need to go after National companies who don't rely on just the local economy to be successful. FWIW- I do very little corporate business here locally. I get more business out of one client in New Brunswick Canada than all local corporate business locally combined.
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Post by markyc on Apr 12, 2011 11:46:25 GMT -8
Chris Young just cannot finish a season, too many moving parts (or Albert Pujols lacing a liner off his dome) Harang is a smart pick up, hometown guy who pitched in a little league park the last few years and has the abilities to be a 15-20 game winner in Petco. On opening day there was about 3 deep fly balls that would have been homeruns in the Great American Shoebox, my brother turned to me and said "gee, you think he will like pitching in Petco?"
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 12, 2011 14:56:32 GMT -8
Chris Young just cannot finish a season, too many moving parts (or Albert Pujols lacing a liner off his dome) Harang is a smart pick up, hometown guy who pitched in a little league park the last few years and has the abilities to be a 15-20 game winner in Petco. On opening day there was about 3 deep fly balls that would have been homeruns in the Great American Shoebox, my brother turned to me and said "gee, you think he will like pitching in Petco?" I think Chris Young has as good a chance as any to have a full season this year. He had some problems all steming directly or indirectly from the Poo-hole liner. I do think the Padres missed on Chris. But their starting pitching will still be good this year. They have plenty of quality depth.
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Post by markyc on Apr 12, 2011 21:09:22 GMT -8
Chris Young just cannot finish a season, too many moving parts (or Albert Pujols lacing a liner off his dome) Harang is a smart pick up, hometown guy who pitched in a little league park the last few years and has the abilities to be a 15-20 game winner in Petco. On opening day there was about 3 deep fly balls that would have been homeruns in the Great American Shoebox, my brother turned to me and said "gee, you think he will like pitching in Petco?" I'd be shocked if Young makes 20 starts, I hope he does but, I really doubt his large frame can make it through a whole season. He hasn't been able to yet I think Chris Young has as good a chance as any to have a full season this year. He had some problems all steming directly or indirectly from the Poo-hole liner. I do think the Padres missed on Chris. But their starting pitching will still be good this year. They have plenty of quality depth.
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Post by joshjones1 on Apr 16, 2011 17:36:58 GMT -8
The Mets placed Young on the 15-day disabled list Saturday with right biceps tendinitis, ESPNNewYork.com reports
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 16, 2011 21:00:45 GMT -8
The Mets placed Young on the 15-day disabled list Saturday with right biceps tendinitis, ESPNNewYork.com reports Can you say, "made of glass"?
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Post by aztecbruce on Apr 16, 2011 21:15:23 GMT -8
So what? It's early.
Ever had tendinitis? Very painful.
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Post by joshjones1 on Apr 17, 2011 9:47:43 GMT -8
So what? It's early. Ever had tendinitis? Very painful. Nobody is saying it isn't. That's not the point. The point is, Young can't stay on the hill, his arm just can't hold up. So, to counter your original point, I can see why the Pads wanted to close the book on him and move on to other options.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 17, 2011 11:17:15 GMT -8
So what? It's early. Ever had tendinitis? Very painful. I've pitched alot, so yes, I know all about it. I also know that once you get it, you're more prone to it coming back, over and over in the same area. The best thing for it is rest. That means that there's a great chance you're going to be on the DL more than once. CY has shown a pattern lately of getting on the DL. Bad sign. Great decision by the Pads.
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Post by aztecbruce on Apr 17, 2011 14:44:49 GMT -8
So what? It's early. Ever had tendinitis? Very painful. Nobody is saying it isn't. That's not the point. The point is, Young can't stay on the hill, his arm just can't hold up. So, to counter your original point, I can see why the Pads wanted to close the book on him and move on to other options. Latos has also been on the DL so far this season. So what? Trade Latos I guess huh?
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