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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2011 10:03:22 GMT -8
The Vietnamese people's army (Vietcong) were highly disciplined, well led, very experienced, and willing to make any sacrifice for the cause.
The Libyan rebels are none of the above. So unless the U.S., Britain and France intervene with boots on the ground, and we shouldn't, their only chance is to retreat to Benghasi and turn it into Ghaddafi's Stalingrad.
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Post by aztec79 on Apr 3, 2011 17:43:25 GMT -8
a minor nitpick : The Peoples Army of Vietnam was not exactly the same as the Viet Cong. The Cong were the southern communists and irregulars but considered a branch of the larger Peoples army. The other part of the Peoples army were the NVA from North Vietnam. The NVA resembled more of a regular army unit in the traditional sense, while the Cong were essentially insurgents or guerrilla fighters.
In addition to the statement about them being highly disciplined and willing to make any sacrifice: they were also willing to use any means at their disposal to further their cause, including women and children.
Re Libya: The British SAS already tried sending in a team to help organize some of the rebels but they were promptly arrested and eventually booted out of the country.
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Post by aztecinoz on Apr 4, 2011 17:59:36 GMT -8
We should have stayed out altogether.
We should have learned from the first Afghanistan venture, we helped them and in the end they turned on us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 20:18:59 GMT -8
I think the best thing the U.S. can expect out of this is for Kadafi to lose all his political support for being unable to fully snuff the rebels. If that happens, Moammar won't be able to just hand the government off to his son when he gets infirm (he's halfway there now) and in the meantime, a legitimate opposition movement will solidify which will force Kadafi's big mouth mothersucker kid out of the picture once the old man kicks the bucket.
Fundamentalist Muslims? I'm really not worried about them. When they took over Iran, the Mullahs were able to completely control the flow of information to the populace. That won't happen in Libya.
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Post by aztecinoz on Apr 4, 2011 21:30:19 GMT -8
I think the best thing the U.S. can expect out of this is for Kadafi to lose all his political support for being unable to fully snuff the rebels. If that happens, Moammar won't be able to just hand the government off to his son when he gets infirm (he's halfway there now) and in the meantime, a legitimate opposition movement will solidify which will force Kadafi's big mouth mothersucker kid out of the picture once the old man kicks the bucket. Fundamentalist Muslims? I'm really not worried about them. When they took over Iran, the Mullahs were able to completely control the flow of information to the populace. That won't happen in Libya. The problem is that his son was actually getting members of the fundamentilst movement switch sides and renounce violence. Who knows where that is going now. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 5, 2011 8:07:15 GMT -8
a minor nitpick : The Peoples Army of Vietnam was not exactly the same as the Viet Cong. The Cong were the southern communists and irregulars but considered a branch of the larger Peoples army. The other part of the Peoples army were the NVA from North Vietnam. The NVA resembled more of a regular army unit in the traditional sense, while the Cong were essentially insurgents or guerrilla fighters. In addition to the statement about them being highly disciplined and willing to make any sacrifice: they were also willing to use any means at their disposal to further their cause, including women and children. Re Libya: The British SAS already tried sending in a team to help organize some of the rebels but they were promptly arrested and eventually booted out of the country. I had not heard that. Do you have a link to a source giving details (such as when this supposedly happened)? AzWm |
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Post by aztec79 on Apr 5, 2011 10:40:12 GMT -8
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