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Post by aztecwin on Jun 27, 2010 7:01:11 GMT -8
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 27, 2010 7:12:04 GMT -8
aztecwin, obummer sure likes to talk and not do anything he says he's going to do doesn't he? |
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Post by Aztec89 on Jun 27, 2010 18:45:44 GMT -8
Next thing ya know, he will bring back water boarding. Which might force me to vote for him. Nooooooooo!!!!!
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 27, 2010 19:12:21 GMT -8
aztecwin, obummer sure likes to talk and not do anything he says he's going to do doesn't he? Not do anything? LOL Then don't post anything about health care or financial reform. ;D |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jun 27, 2010 20:59:01 GMT -8
The point here is that the press would have carved Bush and Clinton into sushi for reneging on this. Obama gets his usual free pass on this from the overly liberal mainstream media.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 27, 2010 21:36:18 GMT -8
Notice that Obama tried to get the Saudis to help out and was stiffed. Stiffed by the one Muslim Middle Eastern country that absolutely needs our military protection! What does this tell us about the President's persuasive powers? Look, here's the bottom line. . . on Gitmo in particular and Barack Hussein Obama in general. The man is a bright, well-educated, charismatic (I'm told. :  , ambitious individual who grossly. . . I mean grossly . . . underestimated how difficult are the challenges facing a U.S. President. That would make things tough for anyone regardless of his or her political views. In Obama's case, his job is made even more difficult because he is pretty much an ideologue whose ideology is not shared by the vast majority of citizens he was elected to govern. Look at Gitmo again. What was it, his second day in office when he said the place would be closed in a year? You think that, just maybe, a new President with much greater prior experience, especially executive experience, might have waited a while until he had researched the situation a bit? Instead, the man wasted no time putting himself into a very deep box with very slippery sides and no ladder with which to extricate himself. That's not the savvy kind of leadership that reassures the American people that they made a wise decision in the last election. AzWm |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 27, 2010 22:04:07 GMT -8
I am really surprised that you conservatives are not happy. Aren't you for arrest without warrant? Imprisonment without trial? Our quaint Constitution gets in the way of all of your rightousness. That is why Bush sent them to Cuba to begin with. Have you all forgotten?
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 27, 2010 23:24:30 GMT -8
Next thing ya know, he will bring back water boarding. Which might force me to vote for him. Nooooooooo!!!!! He couldn't do anything for me to ever vote for him. Thank God that I didn't vote for his sorry worthless ass! |
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 27, 2010 23:26:57 GMT -8
aztecwin, obummer sure likes to talk and not do anything he says he's going to do doesn't he? Not do anything? LOL Then don't post anything about health care or financial reform. ;D Now that's the truth! I think this jackass also spends more time on vacation than working. WTF is this clown's work ethic? Bowing to other nation's leaders, WTF! No American flags at his press conference's, WTF is that? Who ever voted for this Slapjack should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves! |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 28, 2010 8:25:33 GMT -8
Not do anything? LOL Then don't post anything about health care or financial reform. ;D Now that's the truth! I think this jackass also spends more time on vacation than working. WTF is this clown's work ethic? Bowing to other nation's leaders, WTF! No American flags at his press conference's, WTF is that? Who ever voted for this Slapjack should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves! Oh, poor little Tommy. He is so upset.  LOL |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 28, 2010 15:32:37 GMT -8
I am really surprised that you conservatives are not happy. Aren't you for arrest without warrant? Imprisonment without trial? Our quaint Constitution gets in the way of all of your rightousness. That is why Bush sent them to Cuba to begin with. Have you all forgotten? Say WHAT ?! ! This is a joke, right? (Please say it's a joke. Please!) I trust that you are not implying that conservatives (or, as am I, libertarians) want the government to simply chuck due process as a general rule. One must not confuse how accused persons are treated here in the U.S. with the manner in which we treat terrorists and their enablers when captured in the field. The question of how much deviation from standard legal practice should occur during war time is an old one. We do not want to ignore hard won personal rights, but at the same time we do not want enemies to make it easier to do us harm by manipulating our legal system. It's a delicate balancing act, to be sure. If you are not already familiar with what both Lincoln and FDR did during wartime (as emergency actions) you ought to study those cases. I will tell you that both Presidents did some things that we would never countenance during peace time. AzWm |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 28, 2010 18:44:37 GMT -8
I am really surprised that you conservatives are not happy. Aren't you for arrest without warrant? Imprisonment without trial? Our quaint Constitution gets in the way of all of your rightousness. That is why Bush sent them to Cuba to begin with. Have you all forgotten? Say WHAT ?! ! This is a joke, right? (Please say it's a joke. Please!) I trust that you are not implying that conservatives (or, as am I, libertarians) want the government to simply chuck due process as a general rule. One must not confuse how accused persons are treated here in the U.S. with the manner in which we treat terrorists and their enablers when captured in the field. The question of how much deviation from standard legal practice should occur during war time is an old one. We do not want to ignore hard won personal rights, but at the same time we do not want enemies to make it easier to do us harm by manipulating our legal system. It's a delicate balancing act, to be sure. If you are not already familiar with what both Lincoln and FDR did during wartime (as emergency actions) you ought to study those cases. I will tell you that both Presidents did some things that we would never countenance during peace time. AzWm No joke. The FDR and Lincoln comparisons are specious at best. Their wars and ours are not comparable. I would liken it to comparing 10 stitches on your forearm to amputation at the shoulder. Please explain why else they were sent to Cuba. Beyond the reach of our Constitution. I can see it now. Conservatives around a fire warming their hands. "We had to burn the Constitution in order to save it" William if you are a Libertarian, run like your pants are on fire from conservatives. |
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, ambitious individual who grossly. . . I mean grossly . . . underestimated how difficult are the challenges facing a U.S. President. That would make things tough for anyone regardless of his or her political views. In Obama's case, his job is made even more difficult because he is pretty much an ideologue whose ideology is not shared by the vast majority of citizens he was elected to govern.