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Post by aztech on Feb 11, 2011 10:38:11 GMT -8
They ran him out of USC. A place where you can get all the blue chips and admin support you need. For a guy with all his experience you'd think he would have taken the Trojans to the Rose Bowl every year. They sensed he wasy lazy, too laid back.
If he couldn't make it there how could he have possibly made it here with much less admin support? He/we were destined to fail. Ted was a good ole boy network hire by AD Fred Miller, who retired shortly thereafter.
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Post by zurac315 on Feb 11, 2011 14:32:01 GMT -8
He lolligaged it. Piss poor recruiter. Basically gave up on the job. He deserves noting but scorn from Aztec fans. Ted Tollner has been in constant pain ever since he survived the Cal Poly plane crash. Every moment he stood on the sideline and coached the Aztecs he was in pain. Was he the the greatest coach or recruiter? No. I respect him for his struggle. Watching team mates die and conducting himself with dignity throughout a long career deserves more than just scornful comments.
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Post by tuff on Feb 11, 2011 16:28:19 GMT -8
He lolligaged it. Piss poor recruiter. Basically gave up on the job. He deserves noting but scorn from Aztec fans. Ted Tollner has been in constant pain ever since he survived the Cal Poly plane crash. Every moment he stood on the sideline and coached the Aztecs he was in pain. Was he the the greatest coach or recruiter? No. I respect him for his struggle. Watching team mates die and conducting himself with dignity throughout a long career deserves more than just scornful comments. Then take an aspirin. 26-20 at USC is a joke. That should have told us something right there. As an USC alum told me,' he took good players and made them soft'. He was afraid of recruiting against the PAC 10, and rarely followed up on solid leads in LA/OC. He and Rick Bay sure put one over on us and the Aztecs program.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Feb 11, 2011 17:29:22 GMT -8
Ted Tollner has been in constant pain ever since he survived the Cal Poly plane crash. Every moment he stood on the sideline and coached the Aztecs he was in pain. Was he the the greatest coach or recruiter? No. I respect him for his struggle. Watching team mates die and conducting himself with dignity throughout a long career deserves more than just scornful comments. Then take an aspirin. 26-20 at USC is a joke. That should have told us something right there. As an USC alum told me,' he took good players and made them soft'. He was afraid of recruiting against the PAC 10, and rarely followed up on solid leads in LA/OC. He and Rick Bay sure put one over on us and the Aztecs program. Rick Bay was embarrassed to be the AD of State.
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Post by zurac315 on Feb 11, 2011 17:39:11 GMT -8
Ted Tollner has been in constant pain ever since he survived the Cal Poly plane crash. Every moment he stood on the sideline and coached the Aztecs he was in pain. Was he the the greatest coach or recruiter? No. I respect him for his struggle. Watching team mates die and conducting himself with dignity throughout a long career deserves more than just scornful comments. Then take an aspirin. 26-20 at USC is a joke. That should have told us something right there. As an USC alum told me,' he took good players and made them soft'. He was afraid of recruiting against the PAC 10, and rarely followed up on solid leads in LA/OC. He and Rick Bay sure put one over on us and the Aztecs program. Bad karma, tuff. If UNLV wins tomorrow you will be the reason why.
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Post by 83aztec on Feb 11, 2011 18:30:56 GMT -8
He lolligaged it. Piss poor recruiter. Basically gave up on the job. He deserves noting but scorn from Aztec fans. Ted Tollner has been in constant pain ever since he survived the Cal Poly plane crash. Every moment he stood on the sideline and coached the Aztecs he was in pain. Was he the the greatest coach or recruiter? No. I respect him for his struggle. Watching team mates die and conducting himself with dignity throughout a long career deserves more than just scornful comments. Then he should of stayed in a hospital bed. If you are going to do a job then freaking bust your balls to do it. Semi retired is pure B.S. If the pain was too much then go be an assistant somewhere.
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Post by buckaztec on Feb 11, 2011 18:32:54 GMT -8
Great guy,Average coach.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 11, 2011 18:50:58 GMT -8
What you should of said is, great guy, average HC, GREAT QB coach and excellent offensive mind. Give credit where credit is due.
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Post by aztectlg on Feb 11, 2011 19:29:36 GMT -8
"We didn’t do recruiting the last couple of years" I'll say. There. Fixed that. "I'll take you Far-Ted" was a byu coach and member of the tribe, ta-boot...seems like a conflict of interest. HAM What tribe? If you're saying he's a Mormon, I' m afraid you're wrong - he's Catholic. And what difference does that make anyway? Does every Catholic who coaches against Notre Dame have a conflict of interest? Sure never seemed to bpther Duffy Doherty, among others, did it?
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Post by fowl on Feb 11, 2011 21:46:23 GMT -8
FYI - Dlugolecki was a CRAFT recruit. I remember speaking to Craft in February after he was hired and he raved about him and how he convinced him to come here - he couldn't tell me his name because Matt hadn't yet tranfered but he was talking about a 6'6" QB tranfer from Illinois and there weren't many of those.
Tollner was an abomination and retired on the job. That extension Bay signed him to has to be the most ridiculous thing EVER! My friends and I often lament that Ted must have had incriminating pictures of Bay...
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 12, 2011 9:28:38 GMT -8
excellent offensive mind. Ha. That's rich. You must have been overseas in the military during his last three years. Thanks for you service. OK, GOOD offensive mind. Better?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 11:22:28 GMT -8
Rick Bay was embarrassed to be the AD of State. If so, then he and I were even. I was embarrassed to have that drooling fool as SDSU's AD.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 11:32:31 GMT -8
Tollner was an abomination and retired on the job. That extension Bay signed him to has to be the most ridiculous thing EVER! Second most ridiculous. As JYP said, the hiring process that led to Craft was the first most ridiculous. I've been around a long time and have been privy to dozens of hiring processes yet I've never before or since heard of one where a guy was demoted and then asked to help vet his replacement. I've also heard of dozens of head coach hirings but never heard of another one in which the administration asked the player to create their own committee to vet candidates. Maybe not getting Tedford was understandable, although some who say they have inside contacts say Bay even botched that. But to have passed over Rich Brooks and Dick Tomey to hire Tom Craft was the cherry on top of the clusterphuck. Thanks, Baywatch. Great job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 12:19:19 GMT -8
Some of the comments about Tollner and his recruiting have become completely blown out of proportion. How does somebody that quit end up turning over a roster with: (This is from memory, so excuse any mistakes) QB - Dlugoleci and Hall - Transfers from Illinois and Texas RB - Justin Green & Michael Franklin - I'm not sure why Green transferred when Craft was hired WR - Kassim Osgood and JR Tollver SteveEM isn't exactly unbiased on the point, but he would also say the defensive guys were pretty much all a result of Ken Delgado working for Ted. I think the article is ironic in that the photo shows Ted with Rick Bay. Again, I know nothing from personal experience but at the time there were several posters to AztecTalk who used to say there was a country club in town that the two were often seen playing golf together at. Like weekly. Pretty tough to put in a 70-80 hour workweek if you're spending one day a week playing 18 holes. Bottom line for me is Ted did a good job winning with Lugie's recruits. However, the combination of a lack of similar diligence on the recruiting trail and SDSU leaving what had become a really lousy WAC after it went to 16 members in 1995 for what was a much better MWC in 1999 did him in. One final point. It is indeed ironic that Craft, Chuck and Hoke were all 0-fer in games against teams from AQ conferences. Props to Ted for actually winning such games about a third of the time. I really started to criticize Ted in 1997 when he pulled into class that was made up almost entirely of recruits that were not division one caliber. I do this because I knew no one was recruiting them. I was so concerned with the class that I wrote a letter to Rick Bay. This was in I first got involved and it created a good deal of antagonists from many Aztec Loyalists. However, that class turned out to be the worst Aztec history, in fact Ed Graney did an article abut it. No one can ever challenged the fact that Ted told knows offense football, but that in itself does not make you a good college football coach, at least not a head coach. Recruiting is probably 80% of the game. Everyone knows that Ted would not go after recruits that were being recruited by Pac-10 schools. However, that was only part of his problem the other part was that he had a really bad staff with the exception of a couple of coaches. At the time I really followed recruiting I even went to the combines talk to coaches subscribe to have a dozen magazines it was a hobby of mine. I had regular conversations with some of the recruiting gurus I saw that the combines and so on. Well I made no claims to be a great judge of talent I didn't know who was recruiting who and since I have a lot of family who were football coaches I got a pretty good picture of what was going on. LeCharles always did a good job when he was here and Ken Delgado did an excellent job besides almost all recruits are made up the dark side defense he also recruited Kabir Akbar and many others who were succesful Demps and so on. Ted Tollner did have one forte, and that was Junior college recruiting. He was very close to Carl Bowser at Bakersfield and had a very good relationship with John Featherstone and many others. He had a good record of success with junior-college players on offense ,with the exception of quarterback. His two big failures Cody Lee Smith and Akili smith most likely cost him his job. It Ted's defense his budget for assistant coaches was lousy and most of the coaches he had are no longer in Division I football. As many of you know I always hated the one back offense, because unless you have an outstanding quarterback and wide receivers it just doesn't work. Opponents stack the line, play man coverage, and they can see a trap play from outer space. He simply couldn't come up with a decent quarterback the last one being Tim Gutierrez. This is kind of ironic given he was a quarterback Guru. Interesting enough the same thing is going on at Cal with Jeff Tedford, his teams have sunk to mediocrity because they have had for quarterback play since Aaron Rodgers left. BY the way I had called Brent about another matter, and mentioned too him that Ted had just retirds that is how the article started,nothing sinister in it.
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Post by jjlin on Feb 12, 2011 16:18:20 GMT -8
Ted won with Luginbill's players. When it was time to recruit his own players, the college game had passed him by. He was in the NFL too long and didn't adapt.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Feb 12, 2011 18:45:06 GMT -8
Ted won with Luginbill's players. When it was time to recruit his own players, the college game had passed him by. He was in the NFL too long and didn't adapt. That's not accurate. The great D players in the mid-90s came from Delgado's recruiting efforts. The down seasons came far more from a failure to sign a top-notch QB than most anything else. I would also remind you that George Jone's was recruited by Tollner's staff, not Lugie's. One reason I think Tollner is looked down on is he only had one tram play in a bowl game. But I think some of our younger fans don't really remember that in those years there wasn't much of any bowl tie-ins except the Holiday Bowl. Tollner had back to back 8 win seasons and stayed home. For most of our time in the WAC, you pretty much had to win the conference to go bowling. Don't get me wrong - I do think Tollner lost interest in the recruiting grind that college coaches have to endure and gave up, but I remember those 8 win seasons as well as '98 quite well and the excitement was there. =Bob
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