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Post by FULL_MONTY on Feb 10, 2011 21:02:00 GMT -8
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Feb 10, 2011 21:05:19 GMT -8
Oh yah, the traveling with the BYU troll is a bit odd.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 22:15:59 GMT -8
"We didn’t do a good job of recruiting the last couple of years"
I'll say.
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Post by aztecphotos on Feb 10, 2011 22:40:02 GMT -8
A nice man pleasant to work with.
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Post by tonatiuh on Feb 10, 2011 23:50:58 GMT -8
It was unfortunate that Tollner did not have more success at San Diego State (as far as winning seasons go), but he did have quite a few victories in soiten areas. Just to list a few... His teams beat California twice in a row. His teams Pounded Navy twice. His team beat a pretty good Nevada team. After losing to Oklahoma in Norman one season, the Aztecs blasted OK,51-31 at home the next season. I witnessed that game, and it was super! His '99 team beat Kansas at their stadium badly. Ted's 2000 Aztecs were the last team to beat BYU on their home field in the final seconds with a clutch field goal believe it or not!!! ;D Also, that game was the final game Mr. Lavell Edwards coached against the Aztecs. What a way to send him out!   Even though Ted did not have great success with the Aztecs, he did accomplish some things that the coaches who succeeded him have yet to do. Hopefully, that will change this season.  |
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Post by votecarcetti on Feb 11, 2011 7:51:11 GMT -8
Ted is the last Aztec coach to beat a BCS opponent. Man, is that a depressing fact.
State has some demons to exorcise this fall ...
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Post by 83aztec on Feb 11, 2011 7:59:50 GMT -8
He lolligaged it. Piss poor recruiter. Basically gave up on the job. He deserves noting but scorn from Aztec fans.
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Post by monty on Feb 11, 2011 8:04:58 GMT -8
He lolligaged it. Piss poor recruiter. Basically gave up on the job. He deserves noting but scorn from Aztec fans. I arrived at the very end of that - poor talent and tough schedule is not a good couple, throw in a juco coach that is his own OC and that's a nasty menage a trois. Seems to be the usual it was someone elses fault at SC and state. |
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Post by azteccannon on Feb 11, 2011 8:05:46 GMT -8
He lolligaged it. Piss poor recruiter. Basically gave up on the job. He deserves noting but scorn from Aztec fans. I remember an "Aztec Insider" at Peterson where Ted basically said, in public no less, that they wouldn't fight for recruits who Pac schools were going after. I had brought some non-Aztec friends to that event, non-sports fans really, who understood and were very surprised to hear that coming out of Ted's mouth. |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Feb 11, 2011 8:18:21 GMT -8
"We didn’t do recruiting the last couple of years" I'll say. There. Fixed that. "I'll take you Far-Ted" was a byu coach and member of the tribe, ta-boot...seems like a conflict of interest. HAM |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Feb 11, 2011 8:19:37 GMT -8
WHAT NEXTby the Ugly Transcribers, an interview with Barry Lamb?
Rub it in UT, you BK snots.
mAd hAM
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Post by oc74aztec on Feb 11, 2011 8:30:02 GMT -8
We didn’t do a good job of recruiting the last couple of years.”
Well, duh. What hurts is that he didn't even try.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 11, 2011 8:55:55 GMT -8
He lolligaged it. Piss poor recruiter. Basically gave up on the job. He deserves noting but scorn from Aztec fans. I arrived at the very end of that - poor talent and tough schedule is not a good couple, throw in a juco coach that is his own OC and that's a nasty menage a trois. Seems to be the usual it was someone elses fault at SC and state. I'm not sure why you throw in Crafts name under a thread about Tollner's days as head coach. I know Craft did very well as OC for him in the years 94-96. |
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Feb 11, 2011 9:05:39 GMT -8
Some of the comments about Tollner and his recruiting have become completely blown out of proportion. How does somebody that quit end up turning over a roster with:
(This is from memory, so excuse any mistakes)
QB - Dlugoleci and Hall - Transfers from Illinois and Texas
RB - Justin Green & Michael Franklin - I'm not sure why Green transferred when Craft was hired
WR - Kassim Osgood and JR Tollver
OL - Jonathan Ingram
LB - Keiaho, Morrison, Farwell, Mccoy
DB - Marcus Demps and Maviel Underwood
I'm sure if I checked out an old media guide I'd find a lot of players who would have started on any Aztec team over the last 10 years.
The problem with Tollner was that he was still trying to fill out the roster with Juco players like they did in the 70's. That became more and more of a problem over the years, but in terms of talent, nobody since has brought in more top flight players than Tollner, even after he allegedly "retired on the job".
Tollner definitely needed to go, but I don't see why so many people seem to hold a grudge against the guy.
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Post by monty on Feb 11, 2011 9:48:50 GMT -8
I arrived at the very end of that - poor talent and tough schedule is not a good couple, throw in a juco coach that is his own OC and that's a nasty menage a trois. Seems to be the usual it was someone elses fault at SC and state. I'm not sure why you throw in Crafts name under a thread about Tollner's days as head coach. I know Craft did very well as OC for him in the years 94-96. Maybe if you took the chip off your shoulder, you'd see that wasn't a Craft slag, that was pointing the finger at Teddy for what transpired the next few years and that he ran the program into the ground |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 11, 2011 9:58:22 GMT -8
I'm not sure why you throw in Crafts name under a thread about Tollner's days as head coach. I know Craft did very well as OC for him in the years 94-96. Maybe if you took the chip off your shoulder, you'd see that wasn't a Craft slag, that was pointing the finger at Teddy for what transpired the next few years and that he ran the program into the ground I understand what you're saying, but of course it was a Craft slam when you say Craft was his own OC, which you say made it triple worse. Correct me if I'm wrong on you're slam. |
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Post by monty on Feb 11, 2011 10:11:35 GMT -8
Maybe if you took the chip off your shoulder, you'd see that wasn't a Craft slag, that was pointing the finger at Teddy for what transpired the next few years and that he ran the program into the ground I understand what you're saying, but of course it was a Craft slam when you say Craft was his own OC, which you say made it triple worse. Correct me if I'm wrong on you're slam. IF anything I'm excusing much of T-bone's problems as he was an inexperienced D1a head coach who got left a huge pile of manure from teddy and Tolner holds the lion share of the blame for the 00s; TC's predecessor and successor have made him look better. For the record, piles of turd in order: 1. Chucky, 2. Teddy, 3. Tommy I apologize to the honor of the mustacheo and any of his defenders (well, I guess that's you) for uttering his name. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 10:13:24 GMT -8
Some of the comments about Tollner and his recruiting have become completely blown out of proportion. How does somebody that quit end up turning over a roster with: (This is from memory, so excuse any mistakes) QB - Dlugoleci and Hall - Transfers from Illinois and Texas RB - Justin Green & Michael Franklin - I'm not sure why Green transferred when Craft was hired WR - Kassim Osgood and JR Tollver OL - Jonathan Ingram LB - Keiaho, Morrison, Farwell, Mccoy DB - Marcus Demps and Maviel Underwood I'm sure if I checked out an old media guide I'd find a lot of players who would have started on any Aztec team over the last 10 years. The problem with Tollner was that he was still trying to fill out the roster with Juco players like they did in the 70's. That became more and more of a problem over the years, but in terms of talent, nobody since has brought in more top flight players than Tollner, even after he allegedly "retired on the job". Tollner definitely needed to go, but I don't see why so many people seem to hold a grudge against the guy. That's so far back in time that I don't know all that much except what I've heard from others. However, one of those others was SteveEM, who was then as active as anybody. And I've heard him and some who were then around say the following. Tollner himself didn't recruit hardly any of those guys. The two QBs fell in his lap because their coaches were more than willing to help them transfer. In fact, word is Mack Brown called Ted because they were friends and informed him about Hall and Dlugolecki was from Orange County so coming to SDSU made sense. Osgood transferred in from Cal Poly and because Ted had played ball there, he knew somebody on the staff there too. Word was Franklin having the same initials as Faulk and also being from New Orleans, he always wanted to attend SDSU and Curtis Johnson (?) had no problem getting him to sign. So of the seven on offense, Ted and his guys really only had to sell three of them and IIRC, all were local. SteveEM isn't exactly unbiased on the point, but he would also say the defensive guys were pretty much all a result of Ken Delgado working for Ted. I think the article is ironic in that the photo shows Ted with Rick Bay. Again, I know nothing from personal experience but at the time there were several posters to AztecTalk who used to say there was a country club in town that the two were often seen playing golf together at. Like weekly. Pretty tough to put in a 70-80 hour workweek if you're spending one day a week playing 18 holes. Bottom line for me is Ted did a good job winning with Lugie's recruits. However, the combination of a lack of similar diligence on the recruiting trail and SDSU leaving what had become a really lousy WAC after it went to 16 members in 1995 for what was a much better MWC in 1999 did him in. One final point. It is indeed ironic that Craft, Chuck and Hoke were all 0-fer in games against teams from AQ conferences. Props to Ted for actually winning such games about a third of the time. |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 11, 2011 10:23:48 GMT -8
I understand what you're saying, but of course it was a Craft slam when you say Craft was his own OC, which you say made it triple worse. Correct me if I'm wrong on you're slam. IF anything I'm excusing much of T-bone's problems as he was an inexperienced D1a head coach who got left a huge pile of manure from teddy and Tolner holds the lion share of the blame for the 00s; TC's predecessor and successor have made him look better. For the record, piles of turd in order: 1. Chucky, 2. Teddy, 3. Tommy I apologize to the honor of the mustacheo and any of his defenders (well, I guess that's you) for uttering his name. Thanks for the clarification, and for what it's worth, I think there's a few more of us mustacheo'd fans out there than you think, in mustacheo land. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Feb 11, 2011 10:24:49 GMT -8
Did they get a photo of Ted with the golf cart he bought before his football gig at SDSU was up?
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