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Post by jcljorgenson on May 14, 2024 15:17:08 GMT -8
The situation is dumb, not the player. Exactly, if Osobar can get $2 million in NIL, he is making a wise decision! But the system is clearly broken if a college is willing to pay a player more than a professional team (and basically just for a one year contract).
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Post by 84aztec96 on May 14, 2024 16:21:20 GMT -8
I see it differently. The system isn't broken. It is working incredibly well in the sense of being very profitable. People are voluntarily paying their money to watch the players play, advertise, etc.. Now we are getting a look at what the players are really worth. If they generate more money than the NBA, they SHOULD get paid more!
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Post by uncledougy on May 14, 2024 23:19:32 GMT -8
One positive residual is college players should be willing to stay in college longer to get $ they wouldn’t otherwise get….or at least get it without having to navigate the pro environment yet.
It will still be there the next year or year after.
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Post by chris92065 on May 15, 2024 5:16:04 GMT -8
This kid is going to be under immense pressure. The investors will want a Roi of winning a championship. If Oregon gets bounced in the Sweet 16, does it not qualify as a good season? In the past, I am sure that would be enough. Now, that is a shifty season. When they don't produce, these kids will be ripped a new a—hole. To me, the scrutiny will be unbearable. Especially in basketball. Because if these kids were good enough, they would be in the NBA. Rookie contracts are guaranteed and worth way more than nil money. These kids are just good college players. Good college players have bad nights. If they didn't, they would be in the NBA. Those bad nights will be brutal on them mentally from the blowback from the fans because of raised expectations. In the past, you were just a kid trying to get a degree and ball; now, you are a paid athlete under enormous pressure to win.
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Post by 84aztec96 on May 15, 2024 5:32:34 GMT -8
I do think the current "NIL" system shouldn't remain. It needs to be a revenue sharing system of some sort, similar to a professional league. The question will be, how exactly will the revenue be shared?
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Post by sancarlosaztec on May 15, 2024 10:29:04 GMT -8
FWIW, this is the way that I view the current situation...
I don't judge anyone who remains interested and even passionate about college sports. However, personally, I've moved on. I have no interest in college basketball and football in general in the current NIL and transfer portal era. Unfortunately, rooting for SDSU teams is at this point baked-in to who I am. So, if I'm honest with myself I know a part of me will always be interested in the success of SDSU athletics no matter the level they compete at. I just won't waste my time or my money. There is too much living to do with so little time left. Thus, I turn my interests elsewhere. It was a long fun ride. Time to see what is next.
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on May 15, 2024 13:35:11 GMT -8
FWIW, this is the way that I view the current situation... I don't judge anyone who remains interested and even passionate about college sports. However, personally, I've moved on. I have no interest in college basketball and football in general in the current NIL and transfer portal era. Unfortunately, rooting for SDSU teams is at this point baked-in to who I am. So, if I'm honest with myself I know a part of me will always be interested in the success of SDSU athletics no matter the level they compete at. I just won't waste my time or my money. There is too much living to do with so little time left. Thus, I turn my interests elsewhere. It was a long fun ride. Time to see what is next. I can understand and appreciate your view and feelings. Honestly, I am struggling right now if I want to renew my basketball seats. It isn't about the money but my loss of interest for the sport. I have had these things for 20+ years and this is the first time I am questioning it. If it wasn't for this Sales Cat texting and emailing and calling me just about every single day I would probably just give them up. I am struggling with the decision and I need to decide in the next week or so.
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Post by AzTex on May 15, 2024 13:47:07 GMT -8
FWIW, this is the way that I view the current situation... I don't judge anyone who remains interested and even passionate about college sports. However, personally, I've moved on. I have no interest in college basketball and football in general in the current NIL and transfer portal era. Unfortunately, rooting for SDSU teams is at this point baked-in to who I am. So, if I'm honest with myself I know a part of me will always be interested in the success of SDSU athletics no matter the level they compete at. I just won't waste my time or my money. There is too much living to do with so little time left. Thus, I turn my interests elsewhere. It was a long fun ride. Time to see what is next. I can understand and appreciate your view and feelings. Honestly, I am struggling right now if I want to renew my basketball seats. It isn't about the money but my loss of interest for the sport. I have had these things for 20+ years and this is the first time I am questioning it. If it wasn't for this Sales Cat texting and emailing and calling me just about every single day I would probably just give them up. I am struggling with the decision and I need to decide in the next week or so. I've already renewed both football and basketball for the coming seasons. I going to wait and see how I feel sitting in the stands before deciding what to do in future years. I never, never thought there was any way I'd lose interest in Aztec football and basketball. Now I wonder and worry if it's going to happen. This is after over 60 years of attending Aztec games.
I expected to get flamed when I first expressed my concern about losing interest due to the effects of NIL. That hasn't happened. It appears there are more of us starting to feel the same way than I imagined.
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Post by zurac315 on May 15, 2024 14:55:37 GMT -8
I see it differently. The system isn't broken. It is working incredibly well in the sense of being very profitable. People are voluntarily paying their money to watch the players play, advertise, etc.. Now we are getting a look at what the players are really worth. If they generate more money than the NBA, they SHOULD get paid more! What they're really worth to whom? Certainly not to me.
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Post by zurac315 on May 15, 2024 15:02:01 GMT -8
I can understand and appreciate your view and feelings. Honestly, I am struggling right now if I want to renew my basketball seats. It isn't about the money but my loss of interest for the sport. I have had these things for 20+ years and this is the first time I am questioning it. If it wasn't for this Sales Cat texting and emailing and calling me just about every single day I would probably just give them up. I am struggling with the decision and I need to decide in the next week or so. I've already renewed both football and basketball for the coming seasons. I going to wait and see how I feel sitting in the stands before deciding what to do in future years. I never, never thought there was any way I'd lose interest in Aztec football and basketball. Now I wonder and worry if it's going to happen. This is after over 60 years of attending Aztec games. I expected to get flamed when I first expressed my concern about losing interest due to the effects of NIL. That hasn't happened. It appears there are more of us starting to feel the same way than I imagined.
Naw, many people are beginning to feel like you do. I wouldn't like the idea of NIL the way it is now even if I was a fan of a school with a vast pocketbook. This whole thing just feels wrong. I think players do deserve compensation. However, I've never felt that an athlete is worth the vast sums that many are getting these days. There are many things that are more important to me than entertainment.
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Post by azdick on May 15, 2024 15:27:39 GMT -8
I've already renewed both football and basketball for the coming seasons. I going to wait and see how I feel sitting in the stands before deciding what to do in future years. I never, never thought there was any way I'd lose interest in Aztec football and basketball. Now I wonder and worry if it's going to happen. This is after over 60 years of attending Aztec games. I expected to get flamed when I first expressed my concern about losing interest due to the effects of NIL. That hasn't happened. It appears there are more of us starting to feel the same way than I imagined.
Naw, many people are beginning to feel like you do. I wouldn't like the idea of NIL the way it is now even if I was a fan of a school with a vast pocketbook. This whole thing just feels wrong. I think players do deserve compensation. However, I've never felt that an athlete is worth the vast sums that many are getting these days. There are many things that are more important to me than entertainment. The NCAA should have fixed this years ago. Ed O’Bannon filed his suit in 1998 for $#!+’s sake! Now the “$ystem” is blowing up beyond repair. No one is in control and therefore there is anarchy. Someone better get a handle on this or there will be a few haves controlling media rights and the rest of the schools, including SDSU, will be swimming in a pool with no water. It sucks, but then, that’s the results of living in the presence of greed in this society.
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Post by sdcoug on May 15, 2024 20:02:50 GMT -8
Jonathan Givony who broke this story confirmed that they reviewed documents/contracts confirming the 2 million number that was reported. They specifically reported the 2 million as the highest-paid KNOWN player in all of college basketball. “Known” being emphasized because they reviewed the documents not “pie in the sky measures” lol if he is really making 2 million dollars college sports is about to die. Fans will lose interest. Nobody doesn't want these kids to make some money with the tv rights deal but it just becomes another pro league. the college education, university kinda fall out the window. Maybe we need two different leagues. Giving a kid 50K-100K while he goes to school so he can live is a lot different than 2 million for basically a pro athlete. Givony broke the story based on documents supplied by the agent who is incentivized to want other players to use him. Givony also did not talk to the specifics of the contract, only that it has a value of $2M and included some marketing guarantees. It very easily could include incentive based incentives and inflated value items such as a donor proving air miles for Osobors family to use in travel, the value of a house for a year and a car lease, where the claimed value is the overall price of the car. It also may include the value of items he'd receive without NIL, such as the Pell, Alston & Cost of Living stipend. Givony didn't talk to the specifics. As others have said, let's see the tax return before believing the true value. BTW, ironically much of the NIL is being paid by the estate of fired coach Mike Hopkin's dad.
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Post by missiontrails on May 16, 2024 7:04:38 GMT -8
The very fact we now have "player agents" involved will just end up speeding up the downward spiral of this almost completely unregulated sh*tstorm. Greed and stupidity have ruined another good thing.
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