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Post by laaztec on Apr 29, 2024 21:56:48 GMT -8
Keshad transferring last year set the table for this season’s exodus. The players saw that he got paid to leave and figured they were underpaid at SDSU especially coming of a national championship game appearance. They felt under appreciated. We got a peek behind the curtain and got to see what some players are really thinking with Micah Parrish’s since deleted tweet saying in so many words that fans need to stop criticizing players on social media and need to pay more money to The Mesa foundation so they can pay the players more.
Parish, Butler and Saunders also saw how easy it was for Keshad to leave with all the fans saying “thank you” , you are an “Aztec for Life “ and you’re always welcome in San Diego. Heck they can have their cake and eat it too. They can leave SDSU and have nobody mad at them and walk back in to campus like nothing happened.
I understood when players in the past transferred for more playing time or to be near sick Family members but make no mistake the transfers of Keshad, Parish, Saunders and Butler are purely for money. If they would just own it instead of making lame excuses like a better chance at the NBA it would make their decisions more palatable.
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 29, 2024 23:47:59 GMT -8
Keshad transferring last year set the table for this season’s exodus. The players saw that he got paid to leave and figured they were underpaid at SDSU especially coming of a national championship game appearance. They felt under appreciated. We got a peek behind the curtain and got to see what some players are really thinking with Micah Parrish’s since deleted tweet saying in so many words that fans need to stop criticizing players on social media and need to pay more money to The Mesa foundation so they can pay the players more. Parish, Butler and Saunders also saw how easy it was for Keshad to leave with all the fans saying “thank you” , you are an “Aztec for Life “ and you’re always welcome in San Diego. Heck they can have their cake and eat it too. They can leave SDSU and have nobody mad at them and walk back in to campus like nothing happened. I understood when players in the past transferred for more playing time or to be near sick Family members but make no mistake the transfers of Keshad, Parish, Saunders and Butler are purely for money. If they would just own it instead of making lame excuses like a better chance at the NBA it would make their decisions more palatable. You didn't mention the lack of consideration and respect when guys like Butjer and Saunders wait until late in the Portal open period, thus hosing Dutch and everyone in the program and everyone who loves and supports the program |
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Post by LostAztec on Apr 30, 2024 5:44:35 GMT -8
Even Nick Saban has had enough. And he gets the pick of the litter.
Kids today feel like they deserve a golden ticket just because they can play some ball. Yes, they deserve some compensation because they are the product.
They are in for a rude awakening when their eligibility expires.
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Post by sdsuballer on Apr 30, 2024 5:52:29 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Apr 30, 2024 5:55:09 GMT -8
No, it all started when college sports became more profitable than the compensation of a full scholarship. It has just taken a while for the inevitable conflict to come to bear. I personally don't like losing players and I don't like how they are leaving, but in fairness, this is a very new process. With something this big (college athletics) and with this much money at stake, it is going to be turbulent.
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 30, 2024 5:57:55 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. Interesting take. I was just thinking yesterday how Dutcher has kind of had a "money all" approach to this program. but NIL has now destroyed - or entered irrelevant- most of that. So I then was thinking he HAS TO make some changes to how we play so we can still be very good... I thought he needs to address the offense and make some legit changes on that end of the court ti find other ways to continue to be good. |
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Post by aztecking on Apr 30, 2024 6:03:46 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. They left for money dude, pure and simple. You can lull yourself into thinking that wasn’t the reason…but that was the main reason. |
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Post by billhammett on Apr 30, 2024 6:16:35 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. Terrible take...those two guys are why we have the wins and banners that we do. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 30, 2024 6:18:38 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. That's blaming the program for their own deficiencies. Which is common in life. It's always someone else holding them back. |
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Post by chris92065 on Apr 30, 2024 6:25:07 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. That's blaming the program for their own deficiencies. Which is common in life. It's always someone else holding them back. So it’s Dutch’s fault that Parrish butler and Johnson can’t make an outside shot? Truth of the matter is Parrish and butler sucked last year. I don’t fault them for going for the cash but blaming the program shows a lack of maturity and no appreciation for what the program did for them. |
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Post by aztecs2019 on Apr 30, 2024 6:34:03 GMT -8
Even Nick Saban has had enough. And he gets the pick of the litter. Kids today feel like they deserve a golden ticket just because they can play some ball. Yes, they deserve some compensation because they are the product. They are in for a rude awakening when their eligibility expires.Disagree. I think the players are fully aware of the reality of their draft stock, hencewhy they're trying to cash in now while they still have a domestic playing career. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 30, 2024 6:45:39 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. Then how did Kawhi, McDaniels, Flynn, Franklin and Thames all manage to get drafted? |
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 30, 2024 7:00:16 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. Interesting take. I was just thinking yesterday how Dutcher has kind of had a "money all" approach to this program. but NIL has now destroyed - or entered irrelevant- most of that. So I then was thinking he HAS TO make some changes to how we play so we can still be very good... I thought he needs to address the offense and make some legit changes on that end of the court ti find other ways to continue to be good. Yeah, it's hard to build that elite defense with so much turnover year to year. It can still be a big part of our identity, but we might need to get better on offense. |
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Post by bballfan11 on Apr 30, 2024 7:19:38 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. Keshad drastically improved his 3P/FT shooting in one season at U of A. Something he struggled to do while here at SDSU. He also made a decision to benefit his family financially. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 30, 2024 7:25:29 GMT -8
as some of us posted the other day
things are quite a bit different today then they were just a couple years ago
NIL Money - with some rich schools finding ways for affluent people to give money to build up programs and in basketball it does not take that long as there are fewer athletes on the team then football
In addition you can toss in the no sit rule and possibly multiple transfers being allowed without the sit
Keshad made his move after 4 years and he was going to use his Covid season as his money making year - same for Butler and Parrish
Saunders will not get the Covid year so he is doing it in his third and or 4th year - do not have to be a business major to know that if you are not a 1 and done to get drafted you better look for the money while you can .
Some are now saying that Dutcher needs more offense - believe he is adding a 5 that can score rather then defend
The players that left had the opportunity to score but simply could not hit open threes
This has become a Big Business in the US at its max - as the rules now swing for the Athletes
the Money schools will get even richer and likely raise prices
Coaches will have to recruit their current players every year and try to get new ones and those who can use the system will do well those who can't might quit or try to do their best to tread water
While not surprising the Blue Bloods get their newer coaches and some similar to Grand Canyon or those focused on strictly basketball can rise up
Even if a school similar to Kentucky over recruits over its players - the transfers can either transfer again even this summer or simply bank the money
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Post by azteclou on Apr 30, 2024 7:29:18 GMT -8
Let’s stop blaming the players, blame the system. These are guys in their early 20’s (many who will never play pro ball) getting a year or two to make some coin. Can you blame them? Sure the timing maybe lousy but that’s the way the game is played now. I can get pissed at Parrish for posting ridiculous comments criticizing fans but I can only be sad about him, Butler and Saunders leaving. NIL is in its infancy and navigating through it right now is really difficult for fans. It sucks but I have confidence that Dutcher and his staff will be able to find solid replacements. You want to help, donate to Mesa Foundation.
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Post by Texaz on Apr 30, 2024 7:39:20 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. I think this changes because of LeDee becoming third team All American. You can be a prolific scorer in our system. |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 30, 2024 7:40:57 GMT -8
Let’s stop blaming the players, blame the system. These are guys in their early 20’s (many who will never play pro ball) getting a year or two to make some coin. Can you blame them? Sure the timing maybe lousy but that’s the way the game is played now. I can get pissed at Parrish for posting ridiculous comments criticizing fans but I can only be sad about him, Butler and Saunders leaving. NIL is in its infancy and navigating through it right now is really difficult for fans. It sucks but I have confidence that Dutcher and his staff will be able to find solid replacements. You want to help, donate to Mesa Foundation. Don't hate the player, hate the game <== commonly said in dating world, if you cannot get the girl Another way of saying don't blame me; this is how the system works. Don't hate the player hate the game ... Or society made me do it, or the system is flawed and I've figured out how to work it, or everyone else is cheating too, or I hope I don't go to prison. |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 30, 2024 7:43:37 GMT -8
The system was carefully crafted by those in control/power, and the scale is tipped.
You think this is any different in any other systems where money/power/influence mattered?
This happens in friendly board games. It is just how things work. The student athletes are just participating in the system that rules permit them to take advantage of XYZ because they feed into their self-interest. You would likely do the same, because going against the expected outcome is NOT expected.
Do you pay more taxes you're required to? Because you can pay more if you wanted.
No? They you are just playing in the tax system, by the set of rules it has created/
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 30, 2024 7:54:15 GMT -8
There needs to be more strict guidelines.
Just a rough draft and some thoughts:
A FIRM deadline to declare, and once you declare that's it, a 2-3 year commitment if you're going to take coin for transferring, if you go pro then obviously you don't get the remaining cash, and you can only transfer once for more money. Transferring for other reasons is possible. It gives everybody a better chance to be good for longer.
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