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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 21:28:20 GMT -8
SGF, I have a couple of questions for you ... 1. What other team besides A&M are the SEC looking at? Adding only A&M would give them 13 teams so they'd need one more ... Virginia Tech? 2. Why would the PAC 10 take Utah over Missouri or Kansas? 3. If Texas holds the Big XII together with the ten remaining teams, will they be looking to add teams like Utah and TCU or will they stay at 10 and forgo a conference title game? 1. VA Tech issued a statement today saying they haven't spoken with the SEC. Take that FWIW. Also, Miami issued a statement yesterday saying they weren't interested in the SEC. That could still leave FSU or Clemson if the raid on the ACC is going to happen sooner rather than later. Seems to me Mizzou or Kansas are possible as well. 2. Remember that the Pac's original expansion plan was just Utah and CU as travel partners. Mizzou and Kansas are too far east. 3. The Big XII is dead or at least will be by Tuesday. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 21:33:51 GMT -8
Hollywood, the MWC isn't in a position to go to 16 right now. Way too many mouths to feed for a conference whose TV revenue barely pays for the cost of running The Mtn. I think Utah will go to the Pac, which will bring us back down to nine, and then the conference will add three others to go to 12 then hope to renegotiate the deal with Comcast/CBS and gain AQ status to bring in significantly more bucks. THEN going to 14 or 16 will be considered.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jun 12, 2010 21:36:14 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 21:40:19 GMT -8
Reaction to SGF stuff: 1. I see nothing new today about Utah going anywhere, just rehashes of the old stuff. I'm not going to go to the trouble to find things, but I'll say that SI's Andy Staples said that on Scott Wetzel's radio show today, I've read it on at least one blog I believe to have credibility and the Utah fan who I've argued with for weeks on the MWC board swears on his reputation that if aTm doesn't go to the Pac, his contact within the Utah athletic department has told him it's place will be taken by Utah. If you don't believe me about this and think I'm talking out of my ass, so be it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 21:42:32 GMT -8
I honestly don't blame Utah's hard-on for the PAC10. I'm sure we Aztecs would rather join the PAC16 too (if we are being considered) even if we are to be a part of tougher league. It's all about the money and prestige that comes with being associated with these schools. Utah is currently getting about $1.2M per year in TV revenue from the MWC. Pac-10 schools are currently getting about $5.8M on average and if the Pac-16 thing becomes a reality, when the Pac renegotiates its TV deal next year, that figures to more than double. Bottom Line: Utah would be insane to pass up an offer to join the Pac. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 21:47:09 GMT -8
Tell me why the twins BYU & Utah would ever split up? They have always been joned at the hip, back decades. Very big rivalry in a very small pound of Utah. LDS heritage and all that. I don't think your SoCal perspective holds credibility. They both stand to lose a lot in Utah by not being in the same league. I have no idea what you think Utah might lose. They'll still play each other as OOC opponents. Further, if you spent any time on the MWC board, you would see just how much Utah fans detest the Borg. Utah was everything and YBU was nothing until Lavell Edwards came along. Then YBU gradually became everything and Utah nothing and if you ask the Utes, they'll say the Borgian horde took every opportunity to tell them that. Then when YBU erred by replacing Edwards with Gary Crowton and Utah hit paydirt with Urban Meyer, thinks changed 180 degrees and moving to the Pac while YBU remains in the MWC is just one more means of the Utes gaining revenge. (BTW, I hate Lavell Edwards and I never lived in Utah.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 21:53:55 GMT -8
Yeah, but notice it was posted after I commented. Rebel Robert, notorious on Aztectalk but a great finder of this stuff on the MWC board, posted it there. Good luck to those guys. 1. Their guilty of not seeing or ignoring the inevitable so they gotten a really, really late start in trying to pick up the pieces. 2. If Robert is correct, a vote by the other seven Big 12 members will dissolve the Big 12, thereby meaning their won't be a conference left to which the other seven will owe an exit fee. Therefore, these five won't get anything except a 1/12 split of whatever is left in the conference treasury. 3. Further, who do they have as a commissioner? Dan Beebe? The guy who fiddled while his conference burned around him? As somebody said on the MWC board, if the MWC were to "merge" with the remnants of the Big 12, an absolute condition would have to be that the commissioner of the merged conference would have to be Craig Thompson, with Beebe as his gofer. |
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Jun 12, 2010 21:58:20 GMT -8
Hollywood, there are concrete reasons why A&M is talking SEC. One of their board members is former bama coach Gene Stallings, who is a driving force in aiming them south. I guess their AD is big on the SEC, too. Yes, I'm aware of these two major decision makers being a part of the split group clamoring for SEC. Naturally, these two figures would push for SEC because they're looking out for the interest of their fans. It's their duty to do so. However, their football team hasn't really been a major player in the national scene, let alone in the Big XII South scene. How do they expect to become a major player in a more competitive league they have little history with? (Note: The only schools they've played more than 5 times in football are Arkansas and LSU). Also, Texas schools have colossal egos that matches the size of their state. In the long run, would A&M really want to associate itself with an academically lesser prestigious league? I think their alumni who went on to become state/national politicians would push for going west. Major boosters would also endorse for PAC10 membership because you get the best of both worlds - being associated with the worldwide academic prestige and national athletic reputation of PAC10 schools, plus the significant boost in tv revenue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 22:02:42 GMT -8
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Jun 12, 2010 22:08:59 GMT -8
Hollywood, the MWC isn't in a position to go to 16 right now. Way too many mouths to feed for a conference whose TV revenue barely pays for the cost of running The Mtn. I think Utah will go to the Pac, which will bring us back down to nine, and then the conference will add three others to go to 12 then hope to renegotiate the deal with Comcast/CBS and gain AQ status to bring in significantly more bucks. THEN going to 14 or 16 will be considered. I agree. I'm in the camp of MWC14 myself. However, if we are going to expand with 2-4 more schools, I think our league's current TV contract will be revised shortly after the expansion. I'm sure the TV revenue was discussed thoroughly during our league's meeting in Wyoming when expansion was brought up. It's the TV revenue that triggered these realignments in the first place. I don't think our presidents and Commish would consider expanding for the sake of expansion. The WAC16 debacle simply cannot be repeated. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 22:10:28 GMT -8
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jun 12, 2010 23:11:45 GMT -8
Yeah, but notice it was posted after I commented. Rebel Robert, notorious on Aztectalk but a great finder of this stuff on the MWC board, posted it there. Good luck to those guys. 1. Their guilty of not seeing or ignoring the inevitable so they gotten a really, really late start in trying to pick up the pieces. 2. If Robert is correct, a vote by the other seven Big 12 members will dissolve the Big 12, thereby meaning their won't be a conference left to which the other seven will owe an exit fee. Therefore, these five won't get anything except a 1/12 split of whatever is left in the conference treasury. 3. Further, who do they have as a commissioner? Dan Beebe? The guy who fiddled while his conference burned around him? As somebody said on the MWC board, if the MWC were to "merge" with the remnants of the Big 12, an absolute condition would have to be that the commissioner of the merged conference would have to be Craig Thompson, with Beebe as his gofer. Who runs it, what it's called, etc. is irrelevant to me. If the MWC can merge with the Big 12 leftovers that would be the best thing that could happen to the Aztecs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 9:31:35 GMT -8
Alright, HERE'S the latest (meaning for at least the next 15 minutes): texas.rivals.com/That's right, sports fans, the Big 12 may not be absolutely dead after all. I'll let you folks read the article, but add this. If the remaining 10 members of the Big 12 (sic) remain together, the MWC is going to be fine . . . . . . except Utah will be leaving since Kansas will then definitely not be in the picture to go to the Pac . . . . . . and rumor has it those remaining 10 could offer BYU and AFA to get back to 12 to be able to continue to hold a conference championship game. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 9:35:21 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 10:16:21 GMT -8
Utah should look at the lack of success at ASU and UA and think twice,Utah and BYU are full of each others grad students and family connections. I do ot see it happening because of Utah politics. I still think AM will end up in the Pac Ten.
I could see Kansas and K state in the Big least which is not that tough a football conference and a good basketball one. The SEC is not interested in Mizzouri. They night join the MWC because its a conference with no penalty to leave.
I still say this all ends in Congressional investigation and litigation. It is one thing to be denied a BCS title game shot and another to have no conference. hat will bring litigation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 10:27:08 GMT -8
Steve, you and I are definitely on the same page regarding Utah to a Pac-16. I see Utah being the next ASU, meaning a school which for a brief period was as good as it got in a lesser league but once having moved to the Pac became just another member of that conference.
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Post by aztecgold on Jun 13, 2010 10:29:41 GMT -8
I doubt that Utah will be invited into the PAC 10. If they were going to be invited they would have been before Colorado. TCU will not let Baylor into the MWC. And who are those nutcakes that think that SDSU is going to the WAC? And I think the only way the MWC gets Kansas, KSU or Missouri is if they get left behind by every other conference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 10:55:07 GMT -8
I doubt that Utah will be invited into the PAC 10. If they were going to be invited they would have been before Colorado. TCU will not let Baylor into the MWC. And who are those nutcakes that think that SDSU is going to the WAC? And I think the only way the MWC gets Kansas, KSU or Missouri is if they get left behind by every other conference. Correct on all this except Utah. Once the Pac8/Big12-6+2 deal came into being, Utah became just a fallback position for the Pac. If aTm remains part of the 8/12-6+2 deal, Utah will remain in the MWC. However, if aTm goes to the SEC, and that looks to be about 50-50 right now, Utah will replace aTm in the Pac. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 11:32:07 GMT -8
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Post by boblowe on Jun 13, 2010 12:14:16 GMT -8
The Pac wins if TAM goes to SEC. They could grab Utah and get a whole new state/market. If they get Texas, they don't need anything more from Lone Star State. Tech and UT Austin become travel partners, as do O and OU to get to 16.
As for TCU, who are they to throw their weight around after being in the conference for two weeks? Not that Baylor is the big prize, but really, Horned Frogs, really.
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