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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 12:33:11 GMT -8
I disagree. SDSU, while not possessing a winning program, is strategic in terms of TV market and recruiting. I'm not convinced SDSU wouldn't be coveted by a depleted Big-12. For the same reason I am beginning to think there is a remote chance SDSU could be invited to the PAC-X only as a defensive measure to deny access to west coast recruiting and market share. There is no chance of SDSU being invited to the Pac-10. As to your other comment, it would depend on whether KU and KSU wanted to retain its relationship with ISU and therefore wanted to also look to realign with Big East schools or whether, as TCU fans hope, KU/KSU would attempt to create some sort of entirely new conference from as far northwest as Boise to as far southeast as Memphis and Hattiesburg. Approximately like this: Baylor Boise BYU CSU Houston Iowa St. Kansas K-State TCU Utah plus depending on which Horned Frog you ask, AFA, Memphis, Southern Miss and/or UNM and maybe also SMU and, if push comes to shove, Rice. They just push this on the Mountain West board despite the fact that a third of the current conference members would be absolutely excluded and the fourth and fifth would be at best a maybe. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though. After all, from what I can tell, SDSU has nobody to blame for its miserable football program of the last decade except itself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 12:42:38 GMT -8
It's probably originating from here: northwestern.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=57&tid=143839427&mid=143839427&sid=901&style=2The guy who started that thread was the first to talk about Nebraska to the Big Ten so he must have connections. However, read down a couple pages to the Texas Tech fan whose uncle supposedly has connections within the Texas athletic department. He says it's all hogwash. We'll have a much better idea tonight after UT and aTm meet. It's fact that those two are going to meet. Rumor has it that a representative from TT will also attend. DeLoss Dodds isn't to be trusted farther than he can spit so this is just a guess but I think he's doing everything possible to ensure that anybody with clout in the Texas legislature who's on the Baylor bandwagon jumps off and allows those three schools to join the Pac. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 12:44:59 GMT -8
Here's what the Texas Tech fan says about the UT and aTm to the Big Ten rumor:
Folks, y'all have no CLUE as to what's REALLY going on down here. Yes, I'm a Tech grad/fan, but my uncle works in the SI office at UT & spoke with Dad in detail & "confidence" tonight but I was able to wrangle out of my father what the real scoop is & as we've all KNOWN down here for some time, UT, A&M, TECH, OU, Okie Lite & CU have received & "conditionally" accepted offers to join the Pac-10 based upon Nebraska's official announcement on Friday. The Big 10 DID offer UT, but was NEVER a serious consideration. Dodd's (Athletic Director at UT) flirted with you guys to leverage it against getting all 5 of us into the Pac-10. Dodd's said, & this is a DIRECT quote, "the Big10 is a terrible fit for us for a multitude of reasons with none being any bigger than our fertile recruiting ground which they have just about zero exposure in. They (B10) actually thought we'd just role over & let them have at our recruiting ground just for a simple invite (as he laughed). Not happening, but it sure is funny to see how excited they got about it (B10 & it's fans).".
Candidly, I don't care if you believe it or not, those are the facts. Whatever stooge is feeding you this crap about his buddy from the B10 is feeding you EXACTLY that, crap.
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Post by E31-Aztec on Jun 10, 2010 13:33:43 GMT -8
There are quite a few reports out right now, I don't know what I'm reading anymore. I think I just read one that said the Pac-10 was happy at 11.
While I wouldn't want to take this TxTech post lightly, in my experience, the use of a "word for word" quote from a 2nd hand account is usually bull$#!+.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 13:38:06 GMT -8
While I wouldn't want to take this TxTech post lightly, in my experience, the use of a "word for word" quote from a 2nd hand account is usually bull$#!+. True. However, FWIW, Doug Gotlieb had Ivan Maisel on his show a few minutes ago and asked Maisel about this. Maisel said he spoke to sources within more than one Big 12 athletic department last night who told him the Pac8/Big12-6+2 thing is a still going to happen. |
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Post by E31-Aztec on Jun 10, 2010 13:42:59 GMT -8
While I wouldn't want to take this TxTech post lightly, in my experience, the use of a "word for word" quote from a 2nd hand account is usually bull$#!+. True. However, FWIW, Doug Gotlieb had Ivan Maisel on his show a few minutes ago and asked Maisel about this. Maisel said he spoke to sources within more than one Big 12 athletic department last night who told him the Pac8/Big12-6+2 thing is a still going to happen.  |
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Jun 10, 2010 13:44:33 GMT -8
Two things - there is nothing on ESPN about the Texas/Texas A&M to the Big 10 so I don't think there is any truth to that (and the comments above give good reason).
Secondly - While I feel bad for the fans of teams that get the shaft (and hopefully we don't become that group) this is pretty exciting times and the potential for the MWC really score big on this is even more exciting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 14:31:11 GMT -8
There is nothing on ESPN about the Texas/Texas A&M to the Big 10 so I don't think there is any truth to that (and the comments above give good reason). Nope. Just like the Texas Tech fan said, it's a crock: twitter.com/ChipBrownOBEdit: In thinking about it a bit, I doubt it's coincidental the rumor comes from the Kansas City area. I think Missouri fans are getting really, really nervous that their school is going to be left behind. (Of course, that allows plenty of debate here about what that could mean for the Aztecs and I'm sure those slimeball TCU fans are just elated about it.) |
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Post by boblowe on Jun 10, 2010 16:09:03 GMT -8
Texas would be making a mistake. Where do you want to be in 10 years? California or the rust belt? Oklahoma seems like an SEC team... |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 10, 2010 17:02:15 GMT -8
Says UT and TAMU could leave TT and Baylor behind. Yup, Steve was so right that Texans fight for Texans  . =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 10, 2010 17:07:37 GMT -8
There are quite a few reports out right now, I don't know what I'm reading anymore. I think I just read one that said the Pac-10 was happy at 11. I doubt it. Back around 2002 or so, I listened to an interview with the guy who was ASU's HC at the time and he didn't like having 10 because it meant one less OOC game or not playing this or that PAC team every year. They've gone to 12, but going to 16 allows the original 8 to stay together while relegating the Zonie teams that have always been pretty much the red-haired step-sons to dealing with UT, TAMU and Okiehomie. =Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 17:45:40 GMT -8
Says UT and TAMU could leave TT and Baylor behind. Yup, Steve was so right that Texans fight for Texans . =Bob Once again. That is a completely erroneous rumor. What apparently happened was that a KC TV guy who knew a poster on the Northwestern board broke the story about Nebraska going to the Big Ten therefore thought that poster was some sort of infallible source and therefore repeated the poster's next blockbuster. Whether the poster actually had a source or just threw a dart at the wall and it stuck can't be said. However, the guy is completely wrong this time. (My suspicion is the same poster got a big head and heard a rumor going around in KC floated by Missouri fans scared shiteless that their school isn't getting into the Big Ten now. Of course, if Texas told the Big Ten the Longhorns would come if the Big Ten would take Mizzou, Mizzou would be in yesterday.) |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 10, 2010 17:56:33 GMT -8
Says UT and TAMU could leave TT and Baylor behind. Yup, Steve was so right that Texans fight for Texans . =Bob Once again. That is a completely erroneous rumor. What apparently happened was that a KC TV guy who knew a poster on the Northwestern board broke the story about Nebraska going to the Big Ten therefore thought that poster was some sort of infallible source and therefore repeated the poster's next blockbuster. Whether the poster actually had a source or just threw a dart at the wall and it stuck can't be said. However, the guy is completely wrong this time. (My suspicion is the same poster got a big head and heard a rumor going around in KC floated by Missouri fans scared shiteless that their school isn't getting into the Big Ten now. Of course, if Texas told the Big Ten the Longhorns would come if the Big Ten would take Mizzou, Mizzou would be in yesterday.) I know it's nonsense. I was just pointing out that Texans do not fight for Texans when it comes to the bucks. Hell, they threw TCU, SMU and Rice under the bus 16 years ago and would have done the same to Baylor if Richards had let them do so. =Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 18:04:54 GMT -8
Tell ya what, Bob. I'm spend waaaay too much time on this. But it's been fascinating. And educational. In the latter regard, I've come to think DeLoss Dodds is the single biggest problem with college sports in the country.
And no I'm not exaggerating. This shite has gotten so far out of control that I almost wish four 16-school megaconferences become a reality and as Stuart Mandel predicts, Congress steps in and forces these greedy bastards to create a more equitable and academically-oriented system or they lose their tax-exempt status.
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Post by hoobs on Jun 10, 2010 18:09:45 GMT -8
Tell ya what, Bob. I'm spend waaaay too much time on this. But it's been fascinating. And educational. In the latter regard, I've come to think DeLoss Dodds is the single biggest problem with college sports in the country. And no I'm not exaggerating. This shite has gotten so far out of control that I almost wish four 16-school megaconferences become a reality and as Stuart Mandel predicts, Congress steps in and forces these greedy bastards to create a more equitable and academically-oriented system or they lose their tax-exempt status. heh heh, yeah, I agree on all points. However, in the meantime, my 2 cents on what I'd like the MWC to look like -- stolen from my post on the MWC board... MWC WestBoise State Fresno State New Mexico San Diego State UNLV TCU Houston / Baylor MWC EastBYU Utah Air Force Colorado State Wyoming Kansas Kansas State Couple things... it balances football & basketball powerhouses... and also keeps the "Gang of 5" together, they might like that. And I know, I know... the whole "West" and "East" thing isn't geographically perfect. Oh well. We can go with other division names -- like Wales & Campbell. Or something less hockey-ish. |
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Post by boblowe on Jun 10, 2010 18:50:12 GMT -8
Too bad NCAA Prez doesn't have the "best interest of all NCAA members" authority.
Why do BCS football schools run roughshod over the rest? Every other sport has the semblance of equal access.
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