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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 12:12:32 GMT -8
At the very least, the MWC goes away, and we don't get invited to a BCS conf. If that happens, we still play football in a new conf. that will be something like todays MWC or todays WAC. How is that any different than what we have been doing for 40 years? I don't think that is going to happen, but if it does we hook up with Nevada Reno, Hawaii, Fresno State, and a few others and continue on. This stuff is not life and death. I agree with Steve ont his one. We (you, me and the University) have zero control over this fiasco. If we get left out we hook with: UNLV Reno Fresno Hawaii UNM SJSU Houston SMU Stay away from the Mnt schools assuming the worst comes about. There are multiple problems with what you suggest. Among them: 1. SJSU is very unlikely to be playing football five years from now. 2. Under the scenario prognosticated by a couple Horned Frogs, Houston would join the MWC Big 3 and the four former Big 12 schools along with Boise to form an AQ-worthy 9-school conference. 3. Without Houston, SMU wouldn't fit geographically with anyone else you name. So that would leave . . . SDSU Fresno St. Hawaii UNLV Nevada-Reno That isn't even a decent basis for a football league and whatever other three schools were added would be decidedly worse. So as survalli put it, YOU might want to watch an SDSU football team in such a league, but I would have much better things to do with my time and my money. |
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Post by survalli on Jun 7, 2010 12:16:28 GMT -8
we had best go independent if the MWC breaks up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 12:17:47 GMT -8
Sure wish all of this would've went down in a few years when our football program was (hopefully) stronger. Sleeping giant slept through the whole darned thing. By definition, "a few" = three and I was a season ticket holder then just like I was three years before that and will be this year. And I didn't actually sleep through those many losses. Rather, I survived them by drinking heavily. |
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Post by k5james on Jun 7, 2010 12:18:04 GMT -8
we had best go independent if the MWC breaks up. Pretty much. WCC for basketball and independent for football. |
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Post by Borg on Jun 7, 2010 12:20:08 GMT -8
Just so you know...the two guys they are talking about here in Utah....know just as much as anyone on here about what is happening (probably less than SGF).
Gunther is an ex-Ute (from San Diego no less)....has ADD and can't maintain a coherent thought long enough to spit it out on the radio.
Jorgensen...is a one year removed BYU defensive end, who wasn't drafted this past year...so, he's doing this gig until he can find out what he's going to do.
These guys might as well be random guy's at the water cooler wherever you guys work at.
Take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by hoobs on Jun 7, 2010 12:20:50 GMT -8
we had best go independent if the MWC breaks up. Pretty much. WCC for basketball and independent for football. I see ZERO chance the Catholic schools invite SDSU. No way. |
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 7, 2010 12:22:43 GMT -8
Pretty much. WCC for basketball and independent for football. I see ZERO chance the Catholic schools invite SDSU. No way. Yep. Zero chance of this. |
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Post by Fred Noonan on Jun 7, 2010 12:23:49 GMT -8
Seems from where I'm watching that this is just more speculation by some guys in Salt Lake. I'm guessing the reason for the "authoritative" speculation is that the MWC did not announce that it added Boise today? Since everyone thought that was a done deal there must be more afoot? On the other hand, it also fits the Pac 10 decision--which wasn't very definitive either. Everyone thought the Pac 10 was going to grab Big 12 teams this weekend and that this week would see massive shuffling. Instead the Pac 10 left it up to its commissioner to do whatever he decided was best, after conferring with member schools. Now just what kind of statement is that? Spare me. So what we know then is......nothing. All we know for real is that the Pac 10 decided to keep its cards hidden, Texas is indeed the 500 lb gorilla and the MWC isn't saying either. Therefore, let the speculation abound. The scenario the two guys from SLC came up with sure isn't anything new. Its been the fear in the back of every Aztec fans mind for a while now--that somehow, someway we'd get screwed. We just weren't sure how we'd end up getting screwed, just that good things seldom happen to SDSU. Bottom line here is that there are a lot of opinions and guesses about all of this and everyone seems to have one. Everyone's guess is good as the next guys, including the two guys in SLC. I can only keep hoping against hope that this all works out in the end to our advantage. But... The Fred Noonan School of Navigation.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 12:25:42 GMT -8
we had best go independent if the MWC breaks up. Absolutely. That and decide whether we want to continue to have a DIA football program. If so, SDSU needs to devote far more on-campus attention to the program in the form of a buy and renovate Qualcomm drive, pep rallies and the like.* And it needs to hold all coaches including coordinators and position guys accountable for winning. If we're not going to do that, we need to just decide to be the latest among a number of California State University campuses to shut down its football program. * I don't want to hear there's no money. Yeah, there's no money NOW, but SDSU has hundreds of millionaire alumni with political connections who should be capable of raising a huge amount of money. If there was enough perceived need and enough determination, it would get done. |
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 7, 2010 12:26:43 GMT -8
I agree with Steve ont his one. We (you, me and the University) have zero control over this fiasco. If we get left out we hook with: UNLV Reno Fresno Hawaii UNM SJSU Houston SMU Stay away from the Mnt schools assuming the worst comes about. There are multiple problems with what you suggest. Among them: 1. SJSU is very unlikely to be playing football five years from now. 2. Under the scenario prognosticated by a couple Horned Frogs, Houston would join the MWC Big 3 and the four former Big 12 schools along with Boise to form an AQ-worthy 9-school conference. 3. Without Houston, SMU wouldn't fit geographically with anyone else you name. So that would leave . . . SDSU Fresno St. Hawaii UNLV Nevada-Reno That isn't even a decent basis for a football league and whatever other three schools were added would be decidedly worse. So as survalli put it, YOU might want to watch an SDSU football team in such a league, but I would have much better things to do with my time and my money. My point is, if the worst for US happens, we should do whatever we can to stay away from the Mountain schools. How Wyoming was ever included originally is so sad. I mean no offense but seriously. Even though we have been bad in FB for 10 years at least the University is in San Diego. Right there we are quasi desirable with nothing else. And just to save you the time I do know why Wyomng was included. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 12:27:24 GMT -8
Just so you know...the two guys they are talking about here in Utah....know just as much as anyone on here about what is happening (probably less than SGF). Dammit, Borg! You go putting logic into the argument just when I was on a roll! |
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Post by Borg on Jun 7, 2010 12:33:41 GMT -8
Just so you know...the two guys they are talking about here in Utah....know just as much as anyone on here about what is happening (probably less than SGF). Dammit, Borg! You go putting logic into the argument just when I was on a roll!  ...I've been reading what you've posted here and on the MWC board, and I'm almost convinced you're as good of an authority as anyone else I've read. On boards or in the media. You got my vote if you want to take over as MWC Commissioner! |
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Jun 7, 2010 13:16:17 GMT -8
The MWC isn't going anywhere, they may lose and/or gain some teams (only TCU and Utah would be ripe for another league - and now that the Pac 10 is focused on the Big 12, I don't think Utah goes anywhere either).
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Post by hoobs on Jun 7, 2010 13:22:36 GMT -8
This whole thing is playing out like an ENORMOUS game of chicken. No one wants to be the first to pull the trigger, but no one wants to be the last one to draw either...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 13:25:48 GMT -8
This whole thing is playing out like an ENORMOUS game of chicken. No one wants to be the first to pull the trigger, but no one wants to be the last one to draw either... Fear is a more powerful emotion than greed. Schools fearful of being left out or left behind will start the dominoes. It's only a matter of when the first one falls. |
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Post by hoobs on Jun 7, 2010 14:18:37 GMT -8
Ok, on that supposition, then the trigger will be the Big-X decision for Mizzouri & Nebraska, assuming the 'ultamatim' is accurate?!?
I would also find persuasive an argument that the lynchpin is some type of $$$ negotiations behind the scenes... As in, 'network X and conference Y had a conversation this weekend and those talks are ongoing so nothing happens yet...' kind of a thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 15:30:16 GMT -8
Teams' records fluctuate all the time, sometimes even for extended periods of time as is the case with us. We still have those qualities you cited above, and eventually the football team will be good again. Is that actually YOU that said that, John? Man, you better watch out or some of us might think you've become an optimist, however temporarily. |
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Post by monty on Jun 7, 2010 17:24:05 GMT -8
This is the right move, a clearer picutre will emerge this weekend (maybe not a lot clearer, or maybe crytstal clear) We have 24 days or so until we have to invite Boise, take everyone of them since boise's options are limited.
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Post by E31-Aztec on Jun 8, 2010 2:04:40 GMT -8
Notre Dame to Big 10, Texas goes independent, Boise to MWC.
4 game, 8 team playoff implemented in 2014.
San Diego State will continue to suck.
That is all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2010 8:19:57 GMT -8
Here's how the landscape looked 19 years ago (long but interesting read): sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1140740/1/index.htmNote where the WAC was . . . and SDSU within it. Yeah, we had Marshall and much higher attendance. However, we were in what even then was considered a dead-end conference. So the MWC has been very good for the Aztecs. Assuming it survives, to paraphrase kicdis, it's high time SDSU starts doing something in football to repay the Mountain West. |
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