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Post by montyismyhomie on Jan 18, 2011 22:11:17 GMT -8
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Post by aztec70 on Jan 19, 2011 12:49:10 GMT -8
Is the union the hypocrite? How about the faith based campaign? Are all hired picketers hypocrites? How about paid signature gatherers?
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Post by aztecwin on Jan 19, 2011 13:41:04 GMT -8
Strange logic from the union boss.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Jan 19, 2011 14:45:43 GMT -8
Is the union the hypocrite? How about the faith based campaign? Are all hired picketers hypocrites? How about paid signature gatherers? Standard Dem playbook... deflect original topic and point at something else. 1. Yes the union is the hypocrite, why you put a question mark behind that I don't know. In that case it is a fact and not up for debate. 2. I'm not sure what youre referring to by "faith based campaign" 3. No the hired picketers are not hypocrites and no one said they were. Again your deflecting and pointing at something else. 4. What is wrong with paid signature gatherers. Both sides use them. Are you refering to just the ones who will work for both sides? |
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Post by aztec70 on Jan 19, 2011 16:38:41 GMT -8
Is the union the hypocrite? How about the faith based campaign? Are all hired picketers hypocrites? How about paid signature gatherers? Standard Dem playbook... deflect original topic and point at something else. 1. Yes the union is the hypocrite, why you put a question mark behind that I don't know. In that case it is a fact and not up for debate. 2. I'm not sure what youre referring to by "faith based campaign" 3. No the hired picketers are not hypocrites and no one said they were. Again your deflecting and pointing at something else. 4. What is wrong with paid signature gatherers. Both sides use them. Are you refering to just the ones who will work for both sides? The article was about paid picketers. Interestingly, only the union was called out for it. I guess that is the slant the WSJ would put on it.  WSJ calls the union out for not hiring union picket walkers. There is a union for that?  How would you describe the Faith and Freedom Network if not faith based? |
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Post by montyismyhomie on Jan 19, 2011 17:44:10 GMT -8
You have got to be kidding me...
The WSJ is calling them out because as a union they profess to fight for the American worker and to make sure that he has a decent wage and benefits. For them to turn around and pay someone minimum wage (for any job) goes against everything that they stand for. It's a "Do as I say, not as I do." mentality. The fact that you are trying to justify this by confusing the issue is disgusting.
And why is it interesting that only the union was called out for it? Are you insinuating that some of the blame should go onto the unemployed people who gladly took whatever job they could get??? Your thought process here makes no sense.
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Post by aztec70 on Jan 19, 2011 22:03:40 GMT -8
You have got to be kidding me... The WSJ is calling them out because as a union they profess to fight for the American worker and to make sure that he has a decent wage and benefits. For them to turn around and pay someone minimum wage (for any job) goes against everything that they stand for. It's a "Do as I say, not as I do." mentality. The fact that you are trying to justify this by confusing the issue is disgusting. And why is it interesting that only the union was called out for it? Are you insinuating that some of the blame should go onto the unemployed people who gladly took whatever job they could get??? Your thought process here makes no sense. It is interesting because they detail who else is doing the same thing but do not call them hypocrites. The WSJ does not have a knife sharpened just for unions, eh? Nah. I am sure, as with Fox news, they are fair and balanced.  Disgusting? I am aware that anytime a conservative is questioned they think it is disgusting. How dare anyone question a conservative. They are all knowing, all wise, and all full of..., oh, lets just say hot air. ;D |
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Post by montyismyhomie on Jan 19, 2011 22:24:45 GMT -8
Why would it matter who else is doing it? They are not being hypocrites for doing it like the Unions are. If you cannot see the blatant hypocrisy in this then you are beyond helping. You have deflected everything and addressed none of my points. Your only responses have been more questions and blathering on about your opinions instead of talking about facts.
Part of the reason our country is running into the ground is because politicians (on both sides) have learned to debate in the same manner that you are doing right now. They address voters by deflecting topics of real concern and they present opinions as facts. The average American voter is not stupid but is too busy to bother fact checking anything in this day and age so they typically eat up everything they are fed.
Conversing with you reminds me that you cannot reason with the unreasonable. People like you have ruined this country.
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Post by aztec70 on Jan 20, 2011 8:24:59 GMT -8
Why would it matter who else is doing it? They are not being hypocrites for doing it like the Unions are. If you cannot see the blatant hypocrisy in this then you are beyond helping. You have deflected everything and addressed none of my points. Your only responses have been more questions and blathering on about your opinions instead of talking about facts. Part of the reason our country is running into the ground is because politicians (on both sides) have learned to debate in the same manner that you are doing right now. They address voters by deflecting topics of real concern and they present opinions as facts. The average American voter is not stupid but is too busy to bother fact checking anything in this day and age so they typically eat up everything they are fed. Conversing with you reminds me that you cannot reason with the unreasonable. People like you have ruined this country. I ask the question why the union is hypocritical and the rest of the examples are not, and you can not answer my question. Instead you go into a diatribe about how my questioning your opinion, which you label as fact, is the reason this country of ours is being ruined? Wow. Look in a mirror, Buddy. |
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Post by montyismyhomie on Jan 20, 2011 12:53:21 GMT -8
The WSJ is calling them out because as a union they profess to fight for the American worker and to make sure that he has a decent wage and benefits. For them to turn around and pay someone minimum wage (for any job) goes against everything that they stand for. It's a "Do as I say, not as I do." mentality. quote] I have already answered your question. Are you calling the above statement false or an opinion? If so please give a reason why. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 20, 2011 13:36:55 GMT -8
Is the union the hypocrite? How about the faith based campaign? Are all hired picketers hypocrites? How about paid signature gatherers? Fathom the odd hypocrisy that the government wants every citizen to prove that they are insured, but people don't have to prove they are citizens. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jan 20, 2011 15:16:17 GMT -8
Is the union the hypocrite? How about the faith based campaign? Are all hired picketers hypocrites? How about paid signature gatherers? Fathom the odd hypocrisy that the government wants every citizen to prove that they are insured, but people don't have to prove they are citizens. Son of Thor, the reality of that is that it is THEIR LOSS. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jan 20, 2011 16:46:40 GMT -8
The WSJ is calling them out because as a union they profess to fight for the American worker and to make sure that he has a decent wage and benefits. For them to turn around and pay someone minimum wage (for any job) goes against everything that they stand for. It's a "Do as I say, not as I do." mentality. quote] I have already answered your question. Are you calling the above statement false or an opinion? If so please give a reason why. Your opinion. What union workers do you suggest they hire? |
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Post by aztecwin on Jan 20, 2011 16:58:23 GMT -8
The WSJ is calling them out because as a union they profess to fight for the American worker and to make sure that he has a decent wage and benefits. For them to turn around and pay someone minimum wage (for any job) goes against everything that they stand for. It's a "Do as I say, not as I do." mentality. quote] I have already answered your question. Are you calling the above statement false or an opinion? If so please give a reason why. Your opinion. What union workers do you suggest they hire? Interesting trick question if you are in the camp that says there should be no union to begin with. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jan 20, 2011 17:12:35 GMT -8
Unions are still a necessity, but even I as a Born Again Liberal believe many of them have become too powerful.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Jan 21, 2011 0:46:16 GMT -8
The WSJ is calling them out because as a union they profess to fight for the American worker and to make sure that he has a decent wage and benefits. For them to turn around and pay someone minimum wage (for any job) goes against everything that they stand for. It's a "Do as I say, not as I do." mentality. quote] I have already answered your question. Are you calling the above statement false or an opinion? If so please give a reason why. Your opinion. What union workers do you suggest they hire? Ok I'll make it simple... hiring people at minimum wage is in direct opposition to what unions stand for. Opinion or fact? I can't imagine how anyone can look at that statement and call it an opinion. It's like the ACLU not hiring someone because they are black. Can someone else help me out on this one or am I crazy??? And I suggest that you don't hire people who don't care about your cause to picket for you. It's the same as those stupid "SHAME ON SO AND SO" signs that they pay randoms to hold up in front of stores or businesses. How is anyone supposed to take a crowd of picketers seriously if half of them don't know why or don't care what they are there for. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jan 21, 2011 7:50:36 GMT -8
Your opinion. What union workers do you suggest they hire? Ok I'll make it simple... hiring people at minimum wage is in direct opposition to what unions stand for. Opinion or fact? I can't imagine how anyone can look at that statement and call it an opinion. It's like the ACLU not hiring someone because they are black. Can someone else help me out on this one or am I crazy??? And I suggest that you don't hire people who don't care about your cause to picket for you. It's the same as those stupid "SHAME ON SO AND SO" signs that they pay randoms to hold up in front of stores or businesses. How is anyone supposed to take a crowd of picketers seriously if half of them don't know why or don't care what they are there for. You are not crazy, just ignorant. Minimum wage laws have been something that unions have fought for. You, evidently, don't know that. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 21, 2011 9:03:52 GMT -8
The basic premise is this...any organization that keeps the current set of buffoons controlling the economy and Government in power is detrimental to the US.
Unions back Obama and the clueless leftists in Congress and those from academia he hired to implement the long desired Marxist-light policies awash with entitlements, higher taxes, unfunded mandates, more regulations, centralized power, sweetheart deals for political cronies, abandonment of US sovereignty, etc., etc. They are not your friend.
Unions engage in politically protected extortion for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many. All you have to do is look at the economic health of the City of San Diego, State of CA and spend a day at the DMV to see the real benefits the Unions have for the average Joe.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Jan 21, 2011 10:27:16 GMT -8
Ok I'll make it simple... hiring people at minimum wage is in direct opposition to what unions stand for. Opinion or fact? I can't imagine how anyone can look at that statement and call it an opinion. It's like the ACLU not hiring someone because they are black. Can someone else help me out on this one or am I crazy??? And I suggest that you don't hire people who don't care about your cause to picket for you. It's the same as those stupid "SHAME ON SO AND SO" signs that they pay randoms to hold up in front of stores or businesses. How is anyone supposed to take a crowd of picketers seriously if half of them don't know why or don't care what they are there for. You are not crazy, just ignorant. Minimum wage laws have been something that unions have fought for. You, evidently, don't know that. hahahaha I'll give you that you are right in the loosest sense of the word. Unions fought for minimum wage a looooong time ago and if you pay attention to anything that comes from them now they are 100% against workers making minimum wage. In other words that used to be something they were supportive of. Just like the Democratic Party used to be the slave owning party. You're crafty but stretching the truth as far as you can take it is another reason people like you have ruined this country. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jan 21, 2011 11:46:30 GMT -8
"Used to be"? Care to give some citations of unions being against minimum wage laws now?
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WSJ calls the union out for not hiring union picket walkers. There is a union for that? 
