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Post by 94sdsu on Jan 18, 2011 8:35:45 GMT -8
I think we still stay # 6 as I don't see the # 3 team dropping down too far by losing to the # 5 team on its home court. They'll probably just flip flop in the polls with the current #4 moving to # 3.
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Jan 18, 2011 8:55:47 GMT -8
So much for Kansas going down at Baylor...maybe Saturday against Texas. I tell you what, Kansas may be undefeated but they have come close to losing in a handfull of games: UCLA by 1 (home) USC by 2 (home) Michigan in OT (away) Iowa St. by 5 (away) Nebraska by 3 (home) They've come close to losing a handful of games??.....oh, you mean like us? OK, here are our 5 closest losses - none of which we trailed in late and really only Cal Poly and IUPUI were we really in danger of losing. Gonzaga by 3 (away) Cal Poly by 6 (home) - W/O Leonard & Tapley USF by 6 (neutral) IUPUI by 2 (neutral) UNLV by 6 (home) So looking at the end of regulation points - Kansas was +11 in these 5 games while SDSU was +23. Compare these numbers and let me know which team - Kansas or SDSU has come closer to losing this season.
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Post by greysuit on Jan 18, 2011 9:38:19 GMT -8
While it would be great to be No. 1 if everyone loses once or in Duke's case, twice, I think having those teams recycle in front of us with two or three losses might give us extra added motivation. As in extra motivation this week being left @ 6th despite two solid wins. The thing that pisses me off is that Duke can lose on the road to an unranked team and still stay in the top 5, if we lose to the #10 team (BYU) on the road we will probably drop out of the top 10...
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Post by buckeye15 on Jan 18, 2011 14:54:20 GMT -8
The Aztecs have 11 wins away from home this season, and the ojai-oh state nuts who get that, "I'm-so-special" treatment, the, "holier-than-thou" attitude, and pure, "it's-okay-that-we-are-snobs pass, have how many away from Dinkle Arena? RRR HAM You won away from home, congrats. We have played 5 true away games to your 7, not a huge difference there. Neutral site wins are "away from home" yes but not really true road wins. We went to Florida and Florida State to play and won both, I don't really see where you have the room to be ragging on our schedule. How did ojai oh state do against IUPUI? And, did the mighty nuts have to play them twice? RRR HAM We beat them by 11, split the difference between your 2 wins over them. We did beat Miami of Ohio by the same margin although you did it there.
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Post by azdick on Jan 18, 2011 15:08:14 GMT -8
Buckeye:
Please read and weep...AztecBill's data -
The Average RPI of defeated opponents for the top 25 is shown in the following table:
AP Rating Team Avg RPI of Wins 6 SDSU 110 4 Pitt 117 2 Kansas 123 3 Syracuse 128 9 Uconn 128 5 Duke 128 9 BYU 129 22 Illinois 132 23 Georgetown 132 1 Ohio State 136 16 Notre Dame 136 13 Purdue 138 18 Michigan State 141 7 Villanova 142 20 Washington 144 15 Louisville 146 12 Kentucky 148 10 Texas A&M 153 19 Minnesota 157 24 Kansas State 162 25 Arizona 166 17 Wisconsin 169 14 Missouri 170 11 Texas 180 21 St Mary's 193
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Jan 18, 2011 15:17:22 GMT -8
buckeye15 - I've only seen one person on this board question OSU....I really think the issue is whether SDSU will move up with teams around us losing (like Syracuse & Villanova thus far). I personally think we will move past Syracuse (aka can't win outside of New York/New Jersey).
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Post by buckeye15 on Jan 18, 2011 17:22:04 GMT -8
Buckeye: Please read and weep...AztecBill's data - The Average RPI of defeated opponents for the top 25 is shown in the following table: AP Rating Team Avg RPI of Wins 6 SDSU 110 4 Pitt 117 2 Kansas 123 3 Syracuse 128 9 Uconn 128 5 Duke 128 9 BYU 129 22 Illinois 132 23 Georgetown 132 1 Ohio State 136 16 Notre Dame 136 13 Purdue 138 18 Michigan State 141 7 Villanova 142 20 Washington 144 15 Louisville 146 12 Kentucky 148 10 Texas A&M 153 19 Minnesota 157 24 Kansas State 162 25 Arizona 166 17 Wisconsin 169 14 Missouri 170 11 Texas 180 21 St Mary's 193 Ok, data is nice, 1 major problem with data when it comes to your strength of schedule: It doesn't factor in the 2 teams that you played that weren't Division 1, they don't get listed in the RPI. The RPI calculation itself discards the wins, but if you are making a strength of schedule argument you can't really ignore those 2 teams. (Unless he put them in there as "0" which I doubt). Right now Ohio State is the only 1 of the 2 teams that's beaten a ranked opponent (Minnesota), just saying. Again I'm not dogging on your schedule, people here are trying to dog on ours
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Post by buck on Jan 18, 2011 17:30:06 GMT -8
Buckeye: Please read and weep...AztecBill's data - The Average RPI of defeated opponents for the top 25 is shown in the following table: AP Rating Team Avg RPI of Wins 6 SDSU 110 4 Pitt 117 2 Kansas 123 3 Syracuse 128 9 Uconn 128 5 Duke 128 9 BYU 129 22 Illinois 132 23 Georgetown 132 1 Ohio State 136 16 Notre Dame 136 13 Purdue 138 18 Michigan State 141 7 Villanova 142 20 Washington 144 15 Louisville 146 12 Kentucky 148 10 Texas A&M 153 19 Minnesota 157 24 Kansas State 162 25 Arizona 166 17 Wisconsin 169 14 Missouri 170 11 Texas 180 21 St Mary's 193 Ok, data is nice, 1 major problem with data when it comes to your strength of schedule: It doesn't factor in the 2 teams that you played that weren't Division 1, they don't get listed in the RPI. The RPI calculation itself discards the wins, but if you are making a strength of schedule argument you can't really ignore those 2 teams. (Unless he put them in there as "0" which I doubt). Right now Ohio State is the only 1 of the 2 teams that's beaten a ranked opponent (Minnesota), just saying. Again I'm not dogging on your schedule, people here are trying to dog on ours What a weak argument.
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Post by azdick on Jan 18, 2011 18:01:05 GMT -8
Buckeye: Please read and weep...AztecBill's data - The Average RPI of defeated opponents for the top 25 is shown in the following table: AP Rating Team Avg RPI of Wins 6 SDSU 110 4 Pitt 117 2 Kansas 123 3 Syracuse 128 9 Uconn 128 5 Duke 128 9 BYU 129 22 Illinois 132 23 Georgetown 132 1 Ohio State 136 16 Notre Dame 136 13 Purdue 138 18 Michigan State 141 7 Villanova 142 20 Washington 144 15 Louisville 146 12 Kentucky 148 10 Texas A&M 153 19 Minnesota 157 24 Kansas State 162 25 Arizona 166 17 Wisconsin 169 14 Missouri 170 11 Texas 180 21 St Mary's 193 Ok, data is nice, 1 major problem with data when it comes to your strength of schedule: It doesn't factor in the 2 teams that you played that weren't Division 1, they don't get listed in the RPI. The RPI calculation itself discards the wins, but if you are making a strength of schedule argument you can't really ignore those 2 teams. (Unless he put them in there as "0" which I doubt). Right now Ohio State is the only 1 of the 2 teams that's beaten a ranked opponent (Minnesota), just saying. Again I'm not dogging on your schedule, people here are trying to dog on ours I give up. Let's just play a game.
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Post by coolethan on Jan 18, 2011 18:08:46 GMT -8
Right now Ohio State is the only 1 of the 2 teams that's beaten a ranked opponent (Minnesota), just saying. Again I'm not dogging on your schedule, people here are trying to dog on ours Wrong.
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jan 18, 2011 18:11:05 GMT -8
Baloney again! Aztecs beat number 11, Gonzanga AT Gonzanga, ta-boot!
WHEN WAS the last time the ojai-oh state NUTS went to ELEVATION, buck-nut breathe???
Yeah you fa'got to factor in the Aztecs have won many games at elevation. The Pig Ten cheats.
RRR
HAM
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Post by buckeye15 on Jan 18, 2011 18:19:00 GMT -8
Right now Ohio State is the only 1 of the 2 teams that's beaten a ranked opponent (Minnesota), just saying. Again I'm not dogging on your schedule, people here are trying to dog on ours Wrong. Baloney again! Aztecs beat number 11, Gonzanga AT Gonzanga, ta-boot! WHEN WAS the last time the ojai-oh state NUTS went to ELEVATION, buck-nut breathe??? Yeah you fa'got to factor in the Aztecs have won many games at elevation. The Pig Ten cheats. RRR HAM I'm talking about CURRENT ranked teams, not teams that happened to be ranked at the time. Gonzaga was #11 when you played them, they are not ranked today..generally you look at the quality of the win by how good the team has ended up playing, not how good people thought they were when they played (Since Rankings are essentially guesses, particularly that early in the season) But following that same logic, Ohio State beat then #10 Florida AT Florida..not only beat them but completely ran them off the court in the 2nd half in an 18 point win.
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Jan 18, 2011 18:38:31 GMT -8
That's fine, ignore the non D1 games, just call us 17-0...I'm OK with that. We still have way more R/N wins (11) and more top 50 RPI wins (4) than Ohio St.
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Post by coolethan on Jan 18, 2011 18:41:19 GMT -8
We beat St. Mary's, currently ranked #21 or #22 depending on which poll you like. Wrong. Baloney again! Aztecs beat number 11, Gonzanga AT Gonzanga, ta-boot! WHEN WAS the last time the ojai-oh state NUTS went to ELEVATION, buck-nut breathe??? Yeah you fa'got to factor in the Aztecs have won many games at elevation. The Pig Ten cheats. RRR HAM I'm talking about CURRENT ranked teams, not teams that happened to be ranked at the time. Gonzaga was #11 when you played them, they are not ranked today..generally you look at the quality of the win by how good the team has ended up playing, not how good people thought they were when they played (Since Rankings are essentially guesses, particularly that early in the season) But following that same logic, Ohio State beat then #10 Florida AT Florida..not only beat them but completely ran them off the court in the 2nd half in an 18 point win.
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Post by buckeye15 on Jan 18, 2011 18:53:43 GMT -8
We beat St. Mary's, currently ranked #21 or #22 depending on which poll you like. I'm talking about CURRENT ranked teams, not teams that happened to be ranked at the time. Gonzaga was #11 when you played them, they are not ranked today..generally you look at the quality of the win by how good the team has ended up playing, not how good people thought they were when they played (Since Rankings are essentially guesses, particularly that early in the season) But following that same logic, Ohio State beat then #10 Florida AT Florida..not only beat them but completely ran them off the court in the 2nd half in an 18 point win. Fair enough, my bad. That's fine, ignore the non D1 games, just call us 17-0...I'm OK with that. We still have way more R/N wins (11) and more top 50 RPI wins (4) than Ohio St. I was more pointing towards the fact that the 2 wins against weaker opponents not being counted in an RPI average artificially inflates the "Average RPI SOS" calculation that was made. If Ohio State got to throw what would be our 2 weakest teams out of our "Average RPI SOS" calculation I'm sure you'd see ours climb a bit. Calculating it the way I'm sure was done on here essentially rewards SDSU for playing teams outside of D1 instead of playing bad D1 teams by not counting those games.
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Post by azdick on Jan 18, 2011 19:57:37 GMT -8
We beat St. Mary's, currently ranked #21 or #22 depending on which poll you like. Fair enough, my bad. That's fine, ignore the non D1 games, just call us 17-0...I'm OK with that. We still have way more R/N wins (11) and more top 50 RPI wins (4) than Ohio St. I was more pointing towards the fact that the 2 wins against weaker opponents not being counted in an RPI average artificially inflates the "Average RPI SOS" calculation that was made. If Ohio State got to throw what would be our 2 weakest teams out of our "Average RPI SOS" calculation I'm sure you'd see ours climb a bit. Calculating it the way I'm sure was done on here essentially rewards SDSU for playing teams outside of D1 instead of playing bad D1 teams by not counting those games. For crying out loud. Do you know why we played those D3 teams? Because Fish couldn't get a decent D1 team to agree to play us at home. THAT is the reason we played so many road games - nobody wants to play us in SD! Think the Buckwheats want to try us here? Think again.
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Post by buckeye15 on Jan 18, 2011 20:02:18 GMT -8
Fair enough, my bad. I was more pointing towards the fact that the 2 wins against weaker opponents not being counted in an RPI average artificially inflates the "Average RPI SOS" calculation that was made. If Ohio State got to throw what would be our 2 weakest teams out of our "Average RPI SOS" calculation I'm sure you'd see ours climb a bit. Calculating it the way I'm sure was done on here essentially rewards SDSU for playing teams outside of D1 instead of playing bad D1 teams by not counting those games. For crying out loud. Do you know why we played those D3 teams? Because Fish couldn't get a decent D1 team to agree to play us at home. THAT is the reason we played so many road games - nobody wants to play us in SD! Think the Buckwheats want to try us here? Think again. Err I somehow doubt us not wanting to go to San Diego has anything to do with fear. The general pros and cons don't really add up...Giving up a home game to fly all the way across the country to a school that doesn't generally have a ton of exposure compared to what we are used to. How were we supposed to know you'd be that good this year? We weren't afraid to go to Gainesville to play a pre season top 10 team that has 2 national championships this decade after all That's the same type of crap that Cincinnati tries to pull on us for not coming to their place for football. Not that I care that you played a couple of cupcakes, everyone does..was just pointing out some flaws with the numbers being flung around.
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Post by azdick on Jan 18, 2011 20:14:41 GMT -8
For crying out loud. Do you know why we played those D3 teams? Because Fish couldn't get a decent D1 team to agree to play us at home. THAT is the reason we played so many road games - nobody wants to play us in SD! Think the Buckwheats want to try us here? Think again. Err I somehow doubt us not wanting to go to San Diego has anything to do with fear. The general pros and cons don't really add up...Giving up a home game to fly all the way across the country to a school that doesn't generally have a ton of exposure compared to what we are used to. How were we supposed to know you'd be that good this year? We weren't afraid to go to Gainesville to play a pre season top 10 team that has 2 national championships this decade after all That's the same type of crap that Cincinnati tries to pull on us for not coming to their place for football. Not that I care that you played a couple of cupcakes, everyone does..was just pointing out some flaws with the numbers being flung around. Yeah, we readily recognize that Big 10 teams don't want to travel or step up to the "road" plate. You do know that we played our first five games on the road, three of which were in the midwest? Come on, how about giving some credit where it's due.
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jan 18, 2011 22:48:01 GMT -8
DID YOU NOTICE THE PIG TEN nut ignored the Elevation factor in my post???
What a stew-pid ignorant Pig Ten cheater.
So, let me ask again: how many games does Ojai Oh State play at elevation and the smog of Salt Lake City?
Silence is affirmative.
Jerk.
RRR
HAM
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jan 18, 2011 22:49:47 GMT -8
For crying out loud. Do you know why we played those D3 teams? Because Fish couldn't get a decent D1 team to agree to play us at home. THAT is the reason we played so many road games - nobody wants to play us in SD! Think the Buckwheats want to try us here? Think again. Err I somehow doubt us not wanting to go to San Diego has anything to do with fear. The general pros and cons don't really add up...Giving up a home game to fly all the way across the country to a school that doesn't generally have a ton of exposure compared to what we are used to. How were we supposed to know you'd be that good this year? We weren't afraid to go to Gainesville to play a pre season top 10 team that has 2 national championships this decade after all That's the same type of crap that Cincinnati tries to pull on us for not coming to their place for football. Not that I care that you played a couple of cupcakes, everyone does..was just pointing out some flaws with the numbers being flung around. ELEVATION ojai oh state nut, what about the games the Aztecs won at ELEVATION you ignorant bcs monopoly cheater? Huh? RRR HAM
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