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Post by franklinmint on Jan 11, 2011 15:07:21 GMT -8
I post this in jest and I'm sure the subject matter has been covered extensively in here before,but from all of my talking to coaches and players alike these past two seasons,the biggest day and night difference twixt the Brady Hoke tenure and the previous coaching regimes was Hoke's Strength and Conditioning coach (one he'll most likely take with him,mind you) and the confident attitude his mentoring fostered.
I really don't get this. I don't. I mean,how can something so fundamental to football as strength and conditioning make that much of a difference,and the bigger question has to be is why that difference is so hard to duplicate? Listening to players and coaches alike,this guy supposedly spun straw into gold in the weight room. I say do all they can to retain the Strength and Conditioning coach if that is ONE big reason for the "turnaround" of this program.
FM
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Post by jcljorgenson on Jan 11, 2011 15:07:52 GMT -8
He is going with Hoke for sure.
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Post by franklinmint on Jan 11, 2011 15:08:25 GMT -8
I'm afraid so.
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Post by aztecdean on Jan 11, 2011 15:11:59 GMT -8
The difference is that the coaches only have limited time with the players. The S&C coach has a lot more time with the team if not unlimited time per NCAA rules.
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Post by franklinmint on Jan 11, 2011 15:17:42 GMT -8
The difference is that the coaches only have limited time with the players. The S&C coach has a lot more time with the team if not unlimited time per NCAA rules. As one who never played college football,I guess the rhetorical questions I'm getting at is two fold: Was SDSU that poorly under served all these years in the strength and conditioning (What were those great facilities being used for?) area,OR,is this guy really that good? So good,that he can play such a big part in a program's turn around?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 15:24:30 GMT -8
I read last week that the Michigan strength and conditioning coach is considered an inovator in his field at the college football level so much so that he has a seperate contract than the coaching staffs that have come and gone and he will not be going anywhere no matter who the coach is. Having said that, it doesn't mean the Wellman will stay here. He could go with Hoke in some other capacity.
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Post by texasaztec on Jan 11, 2011 16:23:41 GMT -8
Frank,
This is an excellent question. I've been wondering that myself, but have never put it into words. I've never played college football either, so I'm not qualified to comment on this.
Does anyone out there have insight into this? And if Wellman is gone, who do we get that can continue/replicate what he has done with the players?
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Post by lloydc on Jan 11, 2011 17:17:59 GMT -8
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jan 11, 2011 17:50:13 GMT -8
The difference is that the coaches only have limited time with the players. The S&C coach has a lot more time with the team if not unlimited time per NCAA rules. As one who never played college football,I guess the rhetorical questions I'm getting at is two fold: Was SDSU that poorly under served all these years in the strength and conditioning (What were those great facilities being used for?) area,OR,is this guy really that good? So good,that he can play such a big part in a program's turn around? As a matter of fact, no - at least while Ohton was S&C coach. Tollner, with Claude, had some damn fine conditioned players. That changed when Craft retaliated on Ohton for whistle-blowing and brought in a track coach or whatever he was to take Ohton's place. Let's keep in mind that Ohton ran roughshod over Strass, but after 3 years Strass was a fine-tuned athlete. Wellman is damn good, but it's not like Ohton is incompetent - he got replaced for political reasons, not because he wasn't getting it done. =Bob
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jan 11, 2011 17:51:57 GMT -8
The argument that we need SDSU alums is as bogus as the notion of a "Michigan man". =Bob
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Post by aztecpaulg on Jan 11, 2011 19:30:12 GMT -8
My hope is Rocky saw how the best ( Wellman ) does it and his expectations for what can be done will be where Hoke's expectations were.
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Post by franklinmint on Jan 11, 2011 19:38:33 GMT -8
...I'm still not too clear on why he (Wellman) was so successful here? Was it discipline? Innovative methods? Knowledge? Five hour energy drinks? What? Does strength and conditioning coaching acumens and their regimens vary that broadly around NCAA Division 1 football programs that much?
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Post by bagtec on Jan 11, 2011 19:42:40 GMT -8
i think alot of this had to do with how bad was strength and conditioning before he got here
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jan 11, 2011 19:58:30 GMT -8
...I'm still not too clear on why he (Wellman) was so successful here? Was it discipline? Innovative methods? Knowledge? Five hour energy drinks? What? Does strength and conditioning coaching acumens and their regimens vary that broadly around NCAA Division 1 football programs that much? Because Craft and the school retaliated against Ohton and brought in a S&C coach who didn't have a clue and Chuck was stupid enough to agree with it. =Bob
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Post by aztecbred on Jan 11, 2011 20:25:50 GMT -8
to reply to you franklin..Any strength and conditioning coach can help the team get stronger, faster etc. but not many can change an entire team's mentality like Wellman did. You would think that with Hoke's style of offense, he would have Wellman get his Olineman as big and strong as possible to run the power O, but he actually had them all lose weight and become TOUGH NASTY SOBs. Wellman, being with the team for the entire offseason, was responsible for all of this.
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Post by franklinmint on Jan 12, 2011 8:22:04 GMT -8
Thanks,guys.I'm feeling better on that front already.Let's just hope the intensity transition is seamless now that it appears Wellman is gone.
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