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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 13, 2009 18:55:32 GMT -8
Win, I've explained this at least three times in different threads. The plan that my in-laws have, Secure Horizions, is a HMO and therefore restricted to their network. You can go "out-of-network" but it will cost. www.securehorizons.com/Then I would ask what other options do they have. While my wife was with Kaiser, it does not seem that there were many problems that could not be overcome. The problems were mostly what you would expect when you choose a HMO when a "fee for service" option was available. There are arguments to be made both ways, but we finally figured out that a "fee for service" plan with our secondary payer was just about fool proof. Fool proof because most was covered by you military retirement plan. The problem with that is that you think that everyone has the same option or that you believe that because you served your 20 nobody else is deserving of the options you have. Sorry Pooh, but you really offer an elitist argument. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 14, 2009 11:31:15 GMT -8
Monther-in law? Is that some kind of Freudian slip? Jane Fonda's Monster in Law perhaps? Just our of curiosity, why would what appears to be a Medicare supplement at your expense be more restrictive than traditional Medicare? In other words, you see no problem with insurance companies rationing medical care but you see a big problem with government doing it. Thanks for letting us know that you're just a shill for the health insurance industry. Are any of your kids insurance salesmen, BTW? =Bob Thanks for showing once again that you do not understand what is being said. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 14, 2009 11:35:04 GMT -8
I laugh when it is implied that you should not work the system as it is structured when that is a full time job for multitudes of liberals. Lots of them it is their only job! I think that it was in 1958 that we first started to pay into Social Security and then Medicare when it became law. That was when our health care started to get eroded slowly to the still generous but precarious plan that we have now. Well, I'm glad to see you finally admit that retired military gets a generous health plan. What I find interesting is that you think your health care was "slowly eroded". Hell Pooh, you were apparently making big bucks after you retired and could have gone with some insurance plan but apparently you decided not to do that because after retiring in the your late 30s you figured there wasn't any reason since you were getting free medical care. I had not realized that the military was paying into Social Security, but it doesn't surprise me that you are drawing a military pension that was handed to you years before even cops and firemen can retire and have SS checks as well. I'm sorry, but the retired military people on here have no reason to complain. =Bob Like most liberals, I see that you have no trouble with people reneging on promises made to servicemen. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 14, 2009 11:39:27 GMT -8
I paid into your f****** medicare for over forty f****** years. I haven't even got close to the value of those premiums in return. You're goddam right I'll use it to whatever advantage I find it useful. I didn't get a choice to begin with, so now I do. Lump it. I'm 59. Please explain to me how you paid for my Medicare for over 40 years. And then explain to me why I should care when I've paid for your wages, retirement and medical care since I was 17. =Bob I think you have to pay taxes to have been considered contributing to the Federal Government Budget. We all pay into Social Security and Medicare on all our wages. I suggest you rethink your question and just thank Davesid for taking care of you. |
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Post by davdesid on Aug 14, 2009 13:28:42 GMT -8
I laugh when it is implied that you should not work the system as it is structured when that is a full time job for multitudes of liberals. Lots of them it is their only job! I think that it was in 1958 that we first started to pay into Social Security and then Medicare when it became law. That was when our health care started to get eroded slowly to the still generous but precarious plan that we have now. Well, I'm glad to see you finally admit that retired military gets a generous health plan. What I find interesting is that you think your health care was "slowly eroded". Hell Pooh, you were apparently making big bucks after you retired and could have gone with some insurance plan but apparently you decided not to do that because after retiring in the your late 30s you figured there wasn't any reason since you were getting free medical care. I had not realized that the military was paying into Social Security, but it doesn't surprise me that you are drawing a military pension that was handed to you years before even cops and firemen can retire and have SS checks as well. I'm sorry, but the retired military people on here have no reason to complain. =Bob Retired Military people on here are not complaining about anything. The only complaints I've seen are your complaints about them. You bitch and whine about their retirement ages, and yet on average, a government parasite like you sitting on your ass in an air-conditioned office would have to put in at least forty years to match the number of hours actually on the job. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 14, 2009 16:03:42 GMT -8
Well, I'm glad to see you finally admit that retired military gets a generous health plan. What I find interesting is that you think your health care was "slowly eroded". Hell Pooh, you were apparently making big bucks after you retired and could have gone with some insurance plan but apparently you decided not to do that because after retiring in the your late 30s you figured there wasn't any reason since you were getting free medical care. I had not realized that the military was paying into Social Security, but it doesn't surprise me that you are drawing a military pension that was handed to you years before even cops and firemen can retire and have SS checks as well. I'm sorry, but the retired military people on here have no reason to complain. =Bob Retired Military people on here are not complaining about anything. The only complaints I've seen are your complaints about them. You bitch and whine about their retirement ages, and yet on average, a government parasite like you sitting on your ass in an air-conditioned office would have to put in at least forty years to match the number of hours actually on the job. Sometimes even I forget the frequent "all nighters" working on critical systems both at sea and ashore. I forget the "three or four section" duty days that included our normal day job and often a couple of four hour watches. I seem to have let the endless hours on watch at sea while my "refusnick" friends were smoking dope in OB (not that I would have joined them) slide out of my memory. All of this while paying into =Bob's retirement system so he could feel secure. Sometimes we forget the difference between Federal Income Tax and =Bob's Social Security and Medicare and where the different money goes. I wonder if =Bob realizes that the time he wasted during his work day to try to squeeze a couple hours of overtime out of the taxpayers was at all of our expense. I say all this with out any real regret as I would do it all over again even if I know the nature of the sorry minority that never appreciated the sacrifice. I know that the vast silent majority were our supporters at all times and they were worth the twenty two years. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 14, 2009 16:54:19 GMT -8
In other words, you see no problem with insurance companies rationing medical care but you see a big problem with government doing it. Thanks for letting us know that you're just a shill for the health insurance industry. Are any of your kids insurance salesmen, BTW? =Bob Thanks for showing once again that you do not understand what is being said. I understand what's being said, I just find it hilarious that someone who has had socialized medical care since he was 17 to be bitching about it. =Bob |
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