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Post by biotec on Oct 15, 2024 5:55:03 GMT -8
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Post by aztecdan8 on Oct 15, 2024 6:42:57 GMT -8
Hard to believe we are worse than last season in this area. Unthinkable really, that one of several reasons - there were many - that Hoke needed to go. Sign of a poorly disciplined, poorly coached team. If nothing else I was hoping - maybe cautiously optimistic that we'd be at least noticeably better this season in "discipline" areas like penalties. Not the complete opposite. I know there's some reasons to take the long view. But I do think because this team commits so many penalties- especially mental penalties- I'm really disappointed and concerned this is an issue that can't just be explained away by "it's only year 1 for Lewis". I would've hoped this would been a prioritized, foundation piece for Lewis in Year 1. If nothing else. Also, we can cut slack for Lewis being new. What about Barry Odom at UNLV? Did anybody have to take the "long view" and "cut slack" to him? |
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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 15, 2024 8:48:17 GMT -8
Hard to believe we are worse than last season in this area. Unthinkable really, that one of several reasons - there were many - that Hoke needed to go. Sign of a poorly disciplined, poorly coached team. If nothing else I was hoping - maybe cautiously optimistic that we'd be at least noticeably better this season in "discipline" areas like penalties. Not the complete opposite. I know there's some reasons to take the long view. But I do think because this team commits so many penalties- especially mental penalties- I'm really disappointed and concerned this is an issue that can't just be explained away by "it's only year 1 for Lewis". I would've hoped this would been a prioritized, foundation piece for Lewis in Year 1. If nothing else. Also, we can cut slack for Lewis being new. What about Barry Odom at UNLV? Did anybody have to take the "long view" and "cut slack" to him? Jerry Kill won a bowl game with New Mexico State in his first season. If anyone had an excuse for failure his first season on the job it was this guy. Instead he led his program to their second bowl win since 1960 Also getting fooled twice this season on fake punts and twice in the same half on flea flickers also demonstrate the lack of discipline |
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Post by zbt69 on Oct 15, 2024 10:25:45 GMT -8
I've watched quite a bit of College and Pro football this year and there seems to be a common scenario in these games. The amount of penalties called in both college and Pro football is almost making it unwatchable particularly The procedure penalties. Those ticketek penalties kills the momentum of the game. Then they swallow their flags on obvious holds or pass interference unless your the KC Chiefs.
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Post by aztecdan8 on Oct 15, 2024 13:33:22 GMT -8
Hard to believe we are worse than last season in this area. Unthinkable really, that one of several reasons - there were many - that Hoke needed to go. Sign of a poorly disciplined, poorly coached team. If nothing else I was hoping - maybe cautiously optimistic that we'd be at least noticeably better this season in "discipline" areas like penalties. Not the complete opposite. I know there's some reasons to take the long view. But I do think because this team commits so many penalties- especially mental penalties- I'm really disappointed and concerned this is an issue that can't just be explained away by "it's only year 1 for Lewis". I would've hoped this would been a prioritized, foundation piece for Lewis in Year 1. If nothing else. Also, we can cut slack for Lewis being new. What about Barry Odom at UNLV? Did anybody have to take the "long view" and "cut slack" to him? Jerry Kill won a bowl game with New Mexico State in his first season. If anyone had an excuse for failure his first season on the job it was this guy. Instead he led his program to their second bowl win since 1960 Also getting fooled twice this season on fake punts and twice in the same half on flea flickers also demonstrate the lack of discipline Totally agree. I just focused on the penalties. The stuff you mentioned are other WT?!?! signs of concern as well. There are others. This is an anecdotal comment, but I think the majority of first year coaches that go on to be successful show vast improvement in discipline, poise, intelligence, work ethic, toughness in year 1. Those should be the easy areas to focus on and improve as none of them require superior/improved talent, schemes, or execution. I often reference Jeff Tedford's first season at Cal. He took over a putrid Cal program that went 1-11 the previous season on Tom Holmoe. In Tedford's first season, I saw vast improvement in all the areas I noted above. Plus Tedford played like they had nothing to lose, tons of great, imaginative trick plays that worked, several upsets ... just a whole lot to be excited about in his 7-5 initial season. You could see Mike Leach's stamp in a program in year 1, game 1. At several stops, never a top tier program when he came in at each stop. I've seen nothing of the sort yet. No improvement yet in the foundational areas. The only thing I have seen - and this is not consistent- is maybe seeing we might have a QB & receivers that could develop into something... when the O isn't committing drive killing bonehead penalties. Meanwhile Lewis rams Cooper into a brick wall 30 times a game at 3 yards a crack. So even the passing O isn't anything we can point to and say "YESSS!!". I have SERIOUS doubts about this guy. It's a bummer as I was excited about him, lots of his comments coming in were things I could get behind. I've seen nothing he discussed show itself. So for me, for now, he's just a big talker of platitudes. |
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Post by Cwag on Oct 15, 2024 14:30:25 GMT -8
Jerry Kill won a bowl game with New Mexico State in his first season. If anyone had an excuse for failure his first season on the job it was this guy. Instead he led his program to their second bowl win since 1960 Also getting fooled twice this season on fake punts and twice in the same half on flea flickers also demonstrate the lack of discipline Totally agree. I just focused on the penalties. The stuff you mentioned are other WT?!?! signs of concern as well. There are others. This is an anecdotal comment, but I think the majority of first year coaches that go on to be successful show vast improvement in discipline, poise, intelligence, work ethic, toughness in year 1. Those should be the easy areas to focus on and improve as none of them require superior/improved talent, schemes, or execution. I often reference Jeff Tedford's first season at Cal. He took over a putrid Cal program that went 1-11 the previous season on Tom Holmoe. In Tedford's first season, I saw vast improvement in all the areas I noted above. Plus Tedford played like they had nothing to lose, tons of great, imaginative trick plays that worked, several upsets ... just a whole lot to be excited about in his 7-5 initial season. You could see Mike Leach's stamp in a program in year 1, game 1. At several stops, never a top tier program when he came in at each stop. I've seen nothing of the sort yet. No improvement yet in the foundational areas. The only thing I have seen - and this is not consistent- is maybe seeing we might have a QB & receivers that could develop into something... when the O isn't committing drive killing bonehead penalties. Meanwhile Lewis rams Cooper into a brick wall 30 times a game at 3 yards a crack. So even the passing O isn't anything we can point to and say "YESSS!!". I have SERIOUS doubts about this guy. It's a bummer as I was excited about him, lots of his comments coming in were things I could get behind. I've seen nothing he discussed show itself. So for me, for now, he's just a big talker of platitudes. 3-3 so far and you have given up on him. That's really weak sauce. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Oct 15, 2024 16:47:11 GMT -8
Totally agree. I just focused on the penalties. The stuff you mentioned are other WT?!?! signs of concern as well. There are others. This is an anecdotal comment, but I think the majority of first year coaches that go on to be successful show vast improvement in discipline, poise, intelligence, work ethic, toughness in year 1. Those should be the easy areas to focus on and improve as none of them require superior/improved talent, schemes, or execution. I often reference Jeff Tedford's first season at Cal. He took over a putrid Cal program that went 1-11 the previous season on Tom Holmoe. In Tedford's first season, I saw vast improvement in all the areas I noted above. Plus Tedford played like they had nothing to lose, tons of great, imaginative trick plays that worked, several upsets ... just a whole lot to be excited about in his 7-5 initial season. You could see Mike Leach's stamp in a program in year 1, game 1. At several stops, never a top tier program when he came in at each stop. I've seen nothing of the sort yet. No improvement yet in the foundational areas. The only thing I have seen - and this is not consistent- is maybe seeing we might have a QB & receivers that could develop into something... when the O isn't committing drive killing bonehead penalties. Meanwhile Lewis rams Cooper into a brick wall 30 times a game at 3 yards a crack. So even the passing O isn't anything we can point to and say "YESSS!!". I have SERIOUS doubts about this guy. It's a bummer as I was excited about him, lots of his comments coming in were things I could get behind. I've seen nothing he discussed show itself. So for me, for now, he's just a big talker of platitudes. 3-3 so far and you have given up on him. That's really weak sauce. Um, apparently reading isn't one of your strong suits. Show me where I said I've "given up on him (Lewis)? I said I have concerns about him. I initially gave one area, the title of this thread ... "Penalties". Others added other areas to which I commented about and added others. You seem to get off on going after people on here that have opinions you don't agree with. How about quit being a putz? Or maybe go learn to READ. I'd say YOU'RE "weak sauce". Or maybe since reading is fundamental and I commented on fundamental's with the FB program, it's beyond your capabilities?? |
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Post by zurac315 on Oct 15, 2024 17:07:10 GMT -8
We're battling New Mexico for the lead. MWC is clearly #1.
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Post by LostAztec on Oct 15, 2024 17:58:19 GMT -8
Totally agree. I just focused on the penalties. The stuff you mentioned are other WT?!?! signs of concern as well. There are others. This is an anecdotal comment, but I think the majority of first year coaches that go on to be successful show vast improvement in discipline, poise, intelligence, work ethic, toughness in year 1. Those should be the easy areas to focus on and improve as none of them require superior/improved talent, schemes, or execution. I often reference Jeff Tedford's first season at Cal. He took over a putrid Cal program that went 1-11 the previous season on Tom Holmoe. In Tedford's first season, I saw vast improvement in all the areas I noted above. Plus Tedford played like they had nothing to lose, tons of great, imaginative trick plays that worked, several upsets ... just a whole lot to be excited about in his 7-5 initial season. You could see Mike Leach's stamp in a program in year 1, game 1. At several stops, never a top tier program when he came in at each stop. I've seen nothing of the sort yet. No improvement yet in the foundational areas. The only thing I have seen - and this is not consistent- is maybe seeing we might have a QB & receivers that could develop into something... when the O isn't committing drive killing bonehead penalties. Meanwhile Lewis rams Cooper into a brick wall 30 times a game at 3 yards a crack. So even the passing O isn't anything we can point to and say "YESSS!!". I have SERIOUS doubts about this guy. It's a bummer as I was excited about him, lots of his comments coming in were things I could get behind. I've seen nothing he discussed show itself. So for me, for now, he's just a big talker of platitudes. 3-3 so far and you have given up on him. That's really weak sauce. It's not the record, it's how the team performs as a whole. Fewer penalties, no blown assignments, reduced turnover, coupled with similar play calling as the previous staff. There's really no improvement over the past. Our three wins have come against bottom feeders and a D2 squad. The record is phyrric at best. |
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Post by LostAztec on Oct 15, 2024 18:00:26 GMT -8
We're battling New Mexico for the lead. MWC is clearly #1. Five MW squads are ranked 112 or lower. USU, UNR, UH, UNM and us. Ughhhh |
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Oct 16, 2024 7:29:04 GMT -8
We're battling New Mexico for the lead. MWC is clearly #1. Five MW squads are ranked 112 or lower. USU, UNR, UH, UNM and us. Ughhhh And there are 2 of those 5 going to the nPAC. Well, at least 60% are staying in the MGC. USU and us have gone through coaching changes so hopefully this is just a blip and we are both back and better in the next year or two. |
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Post by uncledougy on Oct 16, 2024 9:55:43 GMT -8
It’s understandable to have penalties when you are learning a new system and getting beat.
However, these penalties have had huge impacts on the game which is unfortunate. Some penalties don’t mean much, but the Aztec penalties have had a huge negative impact on the game, more than usual.
But as bad as it’s been, if you look at the standings, these Aztecs have found themselves undefeated in conference play and a real shot at playing in the championship game! That’s crazy to me based on what we have seen so far this year.
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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 16, 2024 19:00:03 GMT -8
Jerry Kill won a bowl game with New Mexico State in his first season. If anyone had an excuse for failure his first season on the job it was this guy. Instead he led his program to their second bowl win since 1960 Also getting fooled twice this season on fake punts and twice in the same half on flea flickers also demonstrate the lack of discipline Totally agree. I just focused on the penalties. The stuff you mentioned are other WT?!?! signs of concern as well. There are others. This is an anecdotal comment, but I think the majority of first year coaches that go on to be successful show vast improvement in discipline, poise, intelligence, work ethic, toughness in year 1. Those should be the easy areas to focus on and improve as none of them require superior/improved talent, schemes, or execution. I often reference Jeff Tedford's first season at Cal. He took over a putrid Cal program that went 1-11 the previous season on Tom Holmoe. In Tedford's first season, I saw vast improvement in all the areas I noted above. Plus Tedford played like they had nothing to lose, tons of great, imaginative trick plays that worked, several upsets ... just a whole lot to be excited about in his 7-5 initial season. You could see Mike Leach's stamp in a program in year 1, game 1. At several stops, never a top tier program when he came in at each stop. I've seen nothing of the sort yet. No improvement yet in the foundational areas. The only thing I have seen - and this is not consistent- is maybe seeing we might have a QB & receivers that could develop into something... when the O isn't committing drive killing bonehead penalties. Meanwhile Lewis rams Cooper into a brick wall 30 times a game at 3 yards a crack. So even the passing O isn't anything we can point to and say "YESSS!!". I have SERIOUS doubts about this guy. It's a bummer as I was excited about him, lots of his comments coming in were things I could get behind. I've seen nothing he discussed show itself. So for me, for now, he's just a big talker of platitudes. You know this as an ex-player how teams end up reflecting their coach's personality. The lack of discipline is alarmingly similar to Hoke's after he checked out. But, when he was dialed in, his teams were smart, disciplined & were very technical hence their good tackling. So it's not like Lewis can't become more disciplined in details. He's just not there or even remotely headed in the right direction. Last game was probably the one of the worst displays despite the win. One thing I do disagree with is the team has shown vast improvement in one key area and that's the pass rush. Thru scheme and talent they're #2 in the nation in sacks per game. So they're elite at this specific aspect. Tackling in the secondary is somewhat improved too. I wouldn't call it good yet. But it is not as terrible as last season when the defense tackled like a Make a Wish kid was carrying the ball. |
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Post by aztech on Oct 16, 2024 21:34:01 GMT -8
Totally agree. I just focused on the penalties. The stuff you mentioned are other WT?!?! signs of concern as well. There are others. This is an anecdotal comment, but I think the majority of first year coaches that go on to be successful show vast improvement in discipline, poise, intelligence, work ethic, toughness in year 1. Those should be the easy areas to focus on and improve as none of them require superior/improved talent, schemes, or execution. I often reference Jeff Tedford's first season at Cal. He took over a putrid Cal program that went 1-11 the previous season on Tom Holmoe. In Tedford's first season, I saw vast improvement in all the areas I noted above. Plus Tedford played like they had nothing to lose, tons of great, imaginative trick plays that worked, several upsets ... just a whole lot to be excited about in his 7-5 initial season. You could see Mike Leach's stamp in a program in year 1, game 1. At several stops, never a top tier program when he came in at each stop. I've seen nothing of the sort yet. No improvement yet in the foundational areas. The only thing I have seen - and this is not consistent- is maybe seeing we might have a QB & receivers that could develop into something... when the O isn't committing drive killing bonehead penalties. Meanwhile Lewis rams Cooper into a brick wall 30 times a game at 3 yards a crack. So even the passing O isn't anything we can point to and say "YESSS!!". I have SERIOUS doubts about this guy. It's a bummer as I was excited about him, lots of his comments coming in were things I could get behind. I've seen nothing he discussed show itself. So for me, for now, he's just a big talker of platitudes. You know this as an ex-player how teams end up reflecting their coach's personality. The lack of discipline is alarmingly similar to Hoke's after he checked out. But, when he was dialed in, his teams were smart, disciplined & were very technical hence their good tackling. So it's not like Lewis can't become more disciplined in details. He's just not there or even remotely headed in the right direction. Last game was probably the one of the worst displays despite the win. One thing I do disagree with is the team has shown vast improvement in one key area and that's the pass rush. Thru scheme and talent they're #2 in the nation in sacks per game. So they're elite at this specific aspect. Tackling in the secondary is somewhat improved too. I wouldn't call it good yet. But it is not as terrible as last season when the defense tackled like a Make a Wish kid was carrying the ball. I've often thought that if we have a good QB, then we'll have a good defensive backfield as well. After all they do practice against each other. Up until this year we haven't had a QB as good as O'Neil has been so far. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 17, 2024 3:53:59 GMT -8
You know this as an ex-player how teams end up reflecting their coach's personality. The lack of discipline is alarmingly similar to Hoke's after he checked out. But, when he was dialed in, his teams were smart, disciplined & were very technical hence their good tackling. So it's not like Lewis can't become more disciplined in details. He's just not there or even remotely headed in the right direction. Last game was probably the one of the worst displays despite the win. One thing I do disagree with is the team has shown vast improvement in one key area and that's the pass rush. Thru scheme and talent they're #2 in the nation in sacks per game. So they're elite at this specific aspect. Tackling in the secondary is somewhat improved too. I wouldn't call it good yet. But it is not as terrible as last season when the defense tackled like a Make a Wish kid was carrying the ball. I've often thought that if we have a good QB, then we'll have a good defensive backfield as well. After all they do practice against each other. Up until this year we haven't had a QB as good as O'Neil has been so far. O'Neil right now is the best QB on the Mesa since Maxwell Smith. As time progresses, he could become like Billy Blanton. I do think O'Neil has better wheels than Blanton. The Aztecs would be 4-2 if Lewis didn't take the ball out of his hands vs CMU |
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Post by LostAztec on Oct 17, 2024 4:59:07 GMT -8
You know this as an ex-player how teams end up reflecting their coach's personality. The lack of discipline is alarmingly similar to Hoke's after he checked out. But, when he was dialed in, his teams were smart, disciplined & were very technical hence their good tackling. So it's not like Lewis can't become more disciplined in details. He's just not there or even remotely headed in the right direction. Last game was probably the one of the worst displays despite the win. One thing I do disagree with is the team has shown vast improvement in one key area and that's the pass rush. Thru scheme and talent they're #2 in the nation in sacks per game. So they're elite at this specific aspect. Tackling in the secondary is somewhat improved too. I wouldn't call it good yet. But it is not as terrible as last season when the defense tackled like a Make a Wish kid was carrying the ball. I've often thought that if we have a good QB, then we'll have a good defensive backfield as well. After all they do practice against each other. Up until this year we haven't had a QB as good as O'Neil has been so far. Our DB's were stellar from 2015 until 2021. Good defenders, open field tacklers, created turnovers, and were always around the ball despite having JC level qb's to practice against. |
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