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Post by soccer94 on Oct 1, 2024 11:22:47 GMT -8
I consider anything north of Camp Pendleton to be LA myself, but when I was at UCI and called the area LA, my teammates from LA set me straight. That is why I referred to it as the "LA Metropolitan Area". That and LA are two very different things. What is more important is what TV considers LA. I believe the DMA considers Orange County part of the LA market. www.mediamarketmap.com/los-angeles-designated-market-media-map/ |
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Post by soccer94 on Oct 1, 2024 11:27:26 GMT -8
The Big East has a basketball TV deal they just signed for $75-$80 million per year. There are 11 teams in the Big East, so that is an average of about $7 million per school per year. So yes, with Gonzaga and SDSU and maybe Memphis soon, there is absolutely TV value in basketball and the league should negotiate their basketball contract independently from their football contract. If basketball is worth even 2/3 of the Big East deal signed a few months ago, that gets to around $4.5 -$5 million just for basketball which is probably more than the MWC is worth overall. I understand that you're factoring in the two-thirds payout structure, but you may have overestimated the basketball value of the PAC schools. While they are likely to be highly ranked and participate in postseason tournaments, their overall media value might not match your expectations. In contrast, the Big East schools are well-established basketball powerhouses (Gonzaga & SDSU are "perennial" West Coast powers), located in major cities across the East Coast and Midwest. Big East schools benefit from being in high-value media markets, which significantly boosts their appeal to broadcasters and advertisers. Here's the complete list of all 11 Big East Conference schools and their cities: Butler University – Indianapolis, Indiana (DMA #25)
Creighton University – Omaha, Nebraska (DMA #72)
DePaul University – Chicago, Illinois (DMA#3)
Georgetown University – Washington, D.C. (DMA#7)
Marquette University – Milwaukee, Wisconsin (DMA#37)
Providence College – Providence, Rhode Island (Boston DMA #10)
Seton Hall University – South Orange, New Jersey (suburban New York Metro, DMA #1)
St. John's University – Queens, New York (suburban New York Metro, DMA #1)
Villanova University – Villanova, Pennsylvania (suburban Philadelphia, DMA #4)
Xavier University – Cincinnati, Ohio (DMA #35)
University of Connecticut (UConn) – Storrs, Connecticut (suburban New York Metro, DMA #1)The New York Metro InfluenceThe Big East benefits heavily from its presence in and around the New York Metropolitan area, the largest and most valuable media market in the U.S. Three schools—Seton Hall, St. John’s, and UConn—have direct or indirect access to this market. This creates a significant media footprint, offering advertisers access to over 20 million people. Sports media rights, particularly for basketball, hold high value here, as New York is a dominant market for college basketball viewership. Seton Hall and St. John’s especially benefit from their proximity to New York City, where media buyers can tap into the broader influence of NYC sports culture, making them prime assets in the Big East Conference. This combination of national reach (via major cities like Chicago, Washington D.C., and Philadelphia) and local influence (from smaller but passionate markets like Cincinnati and Milwaukee) gives the Big East Conference a well-balanced media value, particularly powerful in high-profile sports like basketball. 30+ years of media buying & Network TV experience tells me so. I can't disagree with this. They have some damn good TV markets and lots of history. Maybe I was being a little too optimistic on those numbers. I still think this shows that there is value in basketball and probably more than some people are estimating. The pundits keep saying football is worth 80% of the TV value. Maybe if negotiated separately, the basketball could pull a bit more than what they are suggesting. |
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Post by soccer94 on Oct 1, 2024 11:33:15 GMT -8
Gotta rename them Gonzaga State  |
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Post by junior on Oct 1, 2024 12:09:26 GMT -8
Buh - Buh - Buh …Bulldogs vs Bulldogs?
How's that gonna work?  Mutts vs. Dawgs?Zags vs Fresnecks?Deal killer.
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Post by AzTuba85 on Oct 1, 2024 12:42:01 GMT -8
Buh - Buh - Buh …Bulldogs vs Bulldogs?
How's that gonna work? Mutts vs. Dawgs?Zags vs Fresnecks?Deal killer. LOL, like Georgia and Mississippi State |
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Post by dlangford9 on Oct 1, 2024 12:57:00 GMT -8
Boom Shaka-laka!!!!!!!
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 1, 2024 13:09:47 GMT -8
Buh - Buh - Buh …Bulldogs vs Bulldogs?
How's that gonna work? Mutts vs. Dawgs?Zags vs Fresnecks?Deal killer. Call it a dogfight, or a Michael Vick special  |
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Oct 1, 2024 13:31:43 GMT -8
Buh - Buh - Buh …Bulldogs vs Bulldogs?
How's that gonna work? Mutts vs. Dawgs?Zags vs Fresnecks?Deal killer. Clearly, one or the other will claim to be the "Real" Bulldogs and then declare the other to be a "BINO" (Bulldogs in name only). That is the way it is done nowadays, ya know.... |
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Post by Cwag on Oct 1, 2024 13:34:35 GMT -8
Buh - Buh - Buh …Bulldogs vs Bulldogs?
How's that gonna work? Mutts vs. Dawgs?Zags vs Fresnecks?Deal killer. Clearly, one or the other will claim to be the "Real" Bulldogs and then declare the other to be a "BINO" (Bulldogs in name only). That is the way it is done nowadays, ya know.... Fresno state can be the Bulldogs in Football and the puppy dogs when playing basketball. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 1, 2024 14:15:27 GMT -8
I understand that you're factoring in the two-thirds payout structure, but you may have overestimated the basketball value of the PAC schools. While they are likely to be highly ranked and participate in postseason tournaments, their overall media value might not match your expectations. In contrast, the Big East schools are well-established basketball powerhouses (Gonzaga & SDSU are "perennial" West Coast powers), located in major cities across the East Coast and Midwest. Big East schools benefit from being in high-value media markets, which significantly boosts their appeal to broadcasters and advertisers. Here's the complete list of all 11 Big East Conference schools and their cities: Butler University – Indianapolis, Indiana (DMA #25)
Creighton University – Omaha, Nebraska (DMA #72)
DePaul University – Chicago, Illinois (DMA#3)
Georgetown University – Washington, D.C. (DMA#7)
Marquette University – Milwaukee, Wisconsin (DMA#37)
Providence College – Providence, Rhode Island (Boston DMA #10)
Seton Hall University – South Orange, New Jersey (suburban New York Metro, DMA #1)
St. John's University – Queens, New York (suburban New York Metro, DMA #1)
Villanova University – Villanova, Pennsylvania (suburban Philadelphia, DMA #4)
Xavier University – Cincinnati, Ohio (DMA #35)
University of Connecticut (UConn) – Storrs, Connecticut (suburban New York Metro, DMA #1)The New York Metro InfluenceThe Big East benefits heavily from its presence in and around the New York Metropolitan area, the largest and most valuable media market in the U.S. Three schools—Seton Hall, St. John’s, and UConn—have direct or indirect access to this market. This creates a significant media footprint, offering advertisers access to over 20 million people. Sports media rights, particularly for basketball, hold high value here, as New York is a dominant market for college basketball viewership. Seton Hall and St. John’s especially benefit from their proximity to New York City, where media buyers can tap into the broader influence of NYC sports culture, making them prime assets in the Big East Conference. This combination of national reach (via major cities like Chicago, Washington D.C., and Philadelphia) and local influence (from smaller but passionate markets like Cincinnati and Milwaukee) gives the Big East Conference a well-balanced media value, particularly powerful in high-profile sports like basketball. 30+ years of media buying & Network TV experience tells me so. I can't disagree with this. They have some damn good TV markets and lots of history. Maybe I was being a little too optimistic on those numbers. I still think this shows that there is value in basketball and probably more than some people are estimating. The pundits keep saying football is worth 80% of the TV value. Maybe if negotiated separately, the basketball could pull a bit more than what they are suggesting. Don’t back down, he made good points, but Gonzaga alone is worth $15m or $1.5m per team if we get to 10 teams… |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 1, 2024 14:16:28 GMT -8
The timing of the Gonzaga signing is huge. Gonzaga WOULD NOT HAVE JOINED right now if the Pac didn't have a solid 8th and possibly 9th school lined up and committed. Dominoes |
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Post by sdaztec4life on Oct 1, 2024 15:53:30 GMT -8
The PAC should avoid anything further east than Memphis and Tulane. NO UCONN, NO USF. That would be stupid. We'd be creating our own ACC CalFord problem in the PAC for all involved. Bad idea. Really bad. Nope, you'd have two regionally based divisions to minimize travel: West SDSU OSU Wazzu Boise Fresno USU Zags East CSU Memphis Tulane USF UTSA or UNT or TexSt UConn Creighton FB you play every team in your conference once (5 games) and then 3 games against the other division. Championship game in Dallas. BB, you play everyone in your division twice (12 games) and 3 home-&-home games against the other division (6 games) for an 18 game schedule. Conference tournament in NOLA. Gives you primarily regional games with the benefit of being the "best of the rest" conference covering all time zones. Yes, this would be the absolute best thing that could happen, very bold. You could form it so that the divisions could split off when the next big realignment happens. NO to UCONN, USF & CREIGTON. UNLV was the HOT team and had their own thread, then Hawaii replaced UNLV as the new HOT team, and now it seems like Creighton is the new HOT team people want. Why would Creighton ever leave the Big East with a nice new TV deal. It would be nice to have them, but they will not leave the B.E. The PAC doesn't need ANY teams East of Memphis. NO teams on the East Coast & even Hawaii is too far for All sports. Memphis & Tulane or a Texas team and then Done. |
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Post by myownwords on Oct 1, 2024 16:07:19 GMT -8
I can't disagree with this. They have some damn good TV markets and lots of history. Maybe I was being a little too optimistic on those numbers. I still think this shows that there is value in basketball and probably more than some people are estimating. The pundits keep saying football is worth 80% of the TV value. Maybe if negotiated separately, the basketball could pull a bit more than what they are suggesting. Don’t back down, he made good points, but Gonzaga alone is worth $15m or $1.5m per team if we get to 10 teams… Seems to me that I read a quote that Gonzaga would not do anything (join PAC) until the conference was "complete". I assumed that meant a conference of 8 full members, so at least one more full-sports with football. Sound familiar? |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 1, 2024 16:17:30 GMT -8
Don’t back down, he made good points, but Gonzaga alone is worth $15m or $1.5m per team if we get to 10 teams… Seems to me that I read a quote that Gonzaga would not do anything (join PAC) until the conference was "complete". I assumed that meant a conference of 8 full members, so at least one more full-sports with football. Sound familiar? Are you asking if Gonzaga knows what is about to happen, then yes |
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Post by sdaztec4life on Oct 1, 2024 16:38:47 GMT -8
Don’t back down, he made good points, but Gonzaga alone is worth $15m or $1.5m per team if we get to 10 teams… Seems to me that I read a quote that Gonzaga would not do anything (join PAC) until the conference was "complete". I assumed that meant a conference of 8 full members, so at least one more full-sports with football. Sound familiar? I too remember reading that, more than once??? |
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Post by sdmotohead on Oct 1, 2024 16:47:52 GMT -8
I fully expect to wake up tomorrow with an announcement that a new school has joined the Pac 8.5.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 1, 2024 16:48:21 GMT -8
Seems to me that I read a quote that Gonzaga would not do anything (join PAC) until the conference was "complete". I assumed that meant a conference of 8 full members, so at least one more full-sports with football. Sound familiar? Are you asking if Gonzaga knows what is about to happen, then yes Wow, you jumped right to it. That unspoken and yet answered question was to be the follow-up. Thanks, sort of a 2 for one, eh? That also suggests that this soon-to-be de-ghosted member, is likely a "done deal". Nice to know that we have 8, and soon 9 members (or more) who are all pulling in the same direction. How refreshing. |
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Post by Den60 on Oct 1, 2024 17:32:32 GMT -8
Seems to me that I read a quote that Gonzaga would not do anything (join PAC) until the conference was "complete". I assumed that meant a conference of 8 full members, so at least one more full-sports with football. Sound familiar? Are you asking if Gonzaga knows what is about to happen, then yes I feel like a kid just days before Christmas! |
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Post by Cwag on Oct 1, 2024 17:41:19 GMT -8
Are you asking if Gonzaga knows what is about to happen, then yes I feel like a kid just days before Christmas! Hopefully Santa doesn’t bring us coal! |
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Post by sdmotohead on Oct 1, 2024 18:04:03 GMT -8
I feel like a kid just days before Christmas! Hopefully Santa doesn’t bring us coal! Well he already gave us Utah St... |
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