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Post by azteclou on Oct 1, 2024 7:32:34 GMT -8
I know adding Hawaii (football only) makes no sense financially, but does the Pac just need to get a warm body to get to eight football teams? Do you think they would join with a significantly smaller share? I believe Hawaii re-signed with MWC. My guess on an 8th/9th for football are Texas State and perhaps Sacramento State which would move up from FCS and just got $35 million in NIL commitments with plans to build a new stadium. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 1, 2024 7:33:50 GMT -8
I know adding Hawaii (football only) makes no sense financially, but does the Pac just need to get a warm body to get to eight football teams? Do you think they would join with a significantly smaller share? Hawaii doesn’t help… it needs to be all sports |
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Post by Den60 on Oct 1, 2024 7:35:23 GMT -8
Other dominoes are in place Gould is playing 4 dimensional dominoes. |
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Post by aztecfred on Oct 1, 2024 7:36:37 GMT -8
I know adding Hawaii (football only) makes no sense financially, but does the Pac just need to get a warm body to get to eight football teams? Do you think they would join with a significantly smaller share? FB only won't get it. Need full oly sports to be a conference. |
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Post by Den60 on Oct 1, 2024 7:37:25 GMT -8
Some more cryptic insight for rumination and speculation? This turns up the incentives for Memphis to join. Memphis fans want to leave the AAC if just for their BB program. They value BB as much as SDSU. |
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Post by azteclou on Oct 1, 2024 7:42:15 GMT -8
Chris Vannini of the Athletic on the Gonzaga move:
💰 A basketball note on the Pac-12: The conference's written agreement says schools will keep 50% of their NCAA Tournament unit money, with the remaining 50% spread equally.
Pac-12 going with some performance-based revenue sharing.
nytimes.com/athletic/58094…
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 1, 2024 7:45:35 GMT -8
Chris Vannini of the Athletic on the Gonzaga move: 💰 A basketball note on the Pac-12: The conference's written agreement says schools will keep 50% of their NCAA Tournament unit money, with the remaining 50% spread equally. Pac-12 going with some performance-based revenue sharing. nytimes.com/athletic/58094… Same for CFP 50/50 |
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Post by Den60 on Oct 1, 2024 7:46:38 GMT -8
I have heard they held preliminary negotiations but now that Gonzaga is signed they are not focusing on FB. I understand that GCU brings men's soccer and baseball as well, but adding them will put the final nail in the coffin of any hope of either Cal or Stanford coming back. Personally, I am against the move. Admission standards for GCU are low and they throw a lot of money into their MBB program and I think that is ripe for misuse. |
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Post by sdsudevil on Oct 1, 2024 7:46:44 GMT -8
Basketball-only fans, do you need a second cigarette and a moist towelette after this news?
Still thinking about baseball, speed bumps and folding chairs until I hear Memphis is joining, but it is getting difficult.
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Post by Den60 on Oct 1, 2024 7:47:42 GMT -8
Chris Vannini of the Athletic on the Gonzaga move: 💰 A basketball note on the Pac-12: The conference's written agreement says schools will keep 50% of their NCAA Tournament unit money, with the remaining 50% spread equally. Pac-12 going with some performance-based revenue sharing. nytimes.com/athletic/58094… Same for CFP 50/50 Wow, Vannini just reporting this? It was known from day one. |
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Post by aztecfred on Oct 1, 2024 7:47:56 GMT -8
St Mary's
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Post by hoobs on Oct 1, 2024 7:50:36 GMT -8
Hot DAMN  |
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Post by laaztec on Oct 1, 2024 7:56:10 GMT -8
I know adding Hawaii (football only) makes no sense financially, but does the Pac just need to get a warm body to get to eight football teams? Do you think they would join with a significantly smaller share? You have to have 8 all sports members. Adding Hawaii for football only doesn’t help. |
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Post by laaztec on Oct 1, 2024 7:59:05 GMT -8
We don’t need St. Mary’s or GCU. Go get the AAC schools now. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 1, 2024 8:10:31 GMT -8
We don’t need St. Mary’s or GCU. Go get the AAC schools now. They are… the other school option comes into play if we get three AAC schools, then we have 10 for football and 11 for basketball… then they will add one more BB only to get to 12… |
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Post by Den60 on Oct 1, 2024 8:10:55 GMT -8
Even Zag fans don't think that would be a wise move: 1. Randy Bennett is near the end of his career. 2. Tiny gym and they don't want to spend to do better. 3. Tiny enrollment. They say both USF and Santa Clara are better choices. Better facilities, better funding and higher enrollment. Most don't want GCU as well. |
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Post by azteclou on Oct 1, 2024 8:26:07 GMT -8
Canzano following Gonzaga news:
Some other thoughts:
• Is UNLV ready to reconsider its re-commitment to the Mountain West? Was that a binding agreement or just a letter of intent? I have to think the Rebels, with their Final Four pedigree built by the late Jerry Tarkanian, would be into the basketball movement going on in the West.
• Memphis? Ready to re-engage? Athletic Director Ed Scott told reporters last week that the terms he saw on paper were a “bad deal” for his school. It couldn’t been the Pac-12’s final offer, if it was an offer at all. Scott’s explanation last week sounded more like “it’s a ‘No’ for now.” The Tigers have a strong basketball legacy. But adding them would be a deviation from the Pac-12’s geographic footprint.
• The Pac-12’s plans for “discussions” included Grand Canyon University, among others. There’s no telling how interested the conference would be in a second WCC school. The conference may have bigger aspirations. GCU is not anywhere near the level of Gonzaga, but I’m told the school is interested in talking. Let’s see if anything comes from that.
• Any other restless schools out there? The Pac-12 has demonstrated it’s not interested in adding “just any school” to grow the conference — it’s being hyper-selective.
• A few of the Pac-12’s seven athletic directors told me they were surprised the Gonzaga news didn’t break on Monday night. The schools pulled closely together and agreed on “no leaks” as the terms were finalized. The conference is in trust-building mode right now, and some trust was built in the process. An erroneous report that a deal was signed and sealed a week ago didn’t help the negotiations, but it got done.
• The Pac-12 still needs one more football (and all-sports) member to reach the NCAA minimum of eight schools. It has 21 months. But the conference wants to get to market and sell its media rights, so I don’t expect the next move to take very long.
• Getting Gonzaga is a win for the conference. The university has an iconic basketball program and favorable geography. Beating out the Big 12 and Big East for the Zags is a nice public victory for a conference that needed one, no way around that.
• This new-world Pac-12 now consists of San Diego State, Boise State, Fresno State, Colorado State, Utah State, Gonzaga, Washington State, and Oregon State. That group of schools has averaged 4.7 NCAA Tournament appearances over the past three years.
• The conference’s KenPom score would now rank fifth nationally, slipping in front of the ACC.
• I was told very early in the Pac-12’s rebuild that the conference’s brand was too valuable to abandon. It’s why OSU and WSU went to court to fight for it. The data and analytics studied by the conference’s consulting firm — Navigate — later supported that. But the defections we’ve seen in recent weeks from the top of the Mountain West (and Gonzaga) underscore the value of the Pac-12’s brand.
• Mark Few wanted to be in the Pac-12. Gonzaga administrators wanted it. Zags fans wanted it. Those East of the Rockies probably don’t grasp the value of the brand and 108 years of history. But the top schools in the West are huddling together under the Pac-12’s banner. We’ll find out soon who else wants to join.
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Post by Lloyd on Oct 1, 2024 8:36:47 GMT -8
The reaction on the GU board, and also in the Spokane media, seems to be overwhelmingly positive about their move to the Pac-12. (As it should be.)
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Post by AzTex on Oct 1, 2024 8:48:53 GMT -8
I know adding Hawaii (football only) makes no sense financially, but does the Pac just need to get a warm body to get to eight football teams? Do you think they would join with a significantly smaller share? We need one more full member. Football only addition doesn't get us to the 8 full members we need. If Hawaii comes in as a full member that might be OK. Better if Memphis gets excited about Gonzaga and now wants to join as a full member. |
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Post by AzTuba85 on Oct 1, 2024 8:50:00 GMT -8
This turns up the incentives for Memphis to join. Memphis fans want to leave the AAC if just for their BB program. They value BB as much as SDSU. Memphis is our sports Doppelganger! Cmon do the right thing Tigers... |
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